Why Aspartame Isn't Scary
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aspartame will kill you
There are over 92 different health side effects associated with aspartame consumption. It seems surreal, but true.
so will living in general.
*snip*
That is true, so will stepping in front of a moving bus. We all gotta go sometime, might as well go having fun. On that note, to all of my obese and morbidly obese friends let's pack it up, go on binges, say f-the world, and screw losing weight. :drinker:
*End sarcasm*
Pet Peeve, when people who want to continue doing a harmful behavior (usually smoking, overeating, or in this case I suppose consuming chemical sugar substitutes) uses the old "everything will kill you/living will kill you/etc." excuse as opposed to actually trying to weed said problem out of their lives. *End rant*0 -
aspartame will kill you
There are over 92 different health side effects associated with aspartame consumption. It seems surreal, but true.
so will living in general.
*snip*
That is true, so will stepping in front of a moving bus. We all gotta go sometime, might as well go having fun. On that note, to all of my obese and morbidly obese friends let's pack it up, go on binges, say f-the world, and screw losing weight. :drinker:
*End sarcasm*
Pet Peeve, when people who want to continue doing a harmful behavior (usually smoking, overeating, or in this case I suppose consuming chemical sugar substitutes) uses the old "everything will kill you/living will kill you/etc." excuse as opposed to actually trying to weed said problem out of their lives. *End rant*
I try to weed out the things that will have a measurable impact on my actual life/health. People are, in general, very poor at figuring out the statistical impact of many things, so we hear (e.g) "aspartame is bad" and figure it is going to kill us immediately. But we might carry on smoking, or driving without a seat belt, or sky diving...
Life is all a game of risk vs reward.
Some things like sky diving have a high risk, but a high reward, so some people carry on doing it.
Some (say smoking) have a high risk for very little reward.
Other things, like aspartame, have a low (negligible, even) risk for a certain reward (they taste good, we enjoy them).
Choose you own risks/rewards. Just do it from a position of knowledge, not fear or ignorance.1 -
aspartame will kill you
There are over 92 different health side effects associated with aspartame consumption. It seems surreal, but true.
so will living in general.
*snip*
That is true, so will stepping in front of a moving bus. We all gotta go sometime, might as well go having fun. On that note, to all of my obese and morbidly obese friends let's pack it up, go on binges, say f-the world, and screw losing weight. :drinker:
*End sarcasm*
Pet Peeve, when people who want to continue doing a harmful behavior (usually smoking, overeating, or in this case I suppose consuming chemical sugar substitutes) uses the old "everything will kill you/living will kill you/etc." excuse as opposed to actually trying to weed said problem out of their lives. *End rant*
I try to weed out the things that will have a measurable impact on my actual life/health. People are, in general, very poor at figuring out the statistical impact of many things, so we hear (e.g) "aspartame is bad" and figure it is going to kill us immediately. But we might carry on smoking, or driving without a seat belt, or sky diving...
Life is all a game of risk vs reward.
Some things like sky diving have a high risk, but a high reward, so some people carry on doing it.
Some (say smoking) have a high risk for very little reward.
Other things, like aspartame, have a low (negligible, even) risk for a certain reward (they taste good, we enjoy them).
Choose you own risks/rewards. Just do it from a position of knowledge, not fear or ignorance.
I very much agree with this - and each person will have their own ratio of risk/reward for everything.0 -
I just don't really like putting anything with the word "artificial" in my body, including the extremely processed white sugar. No aspartame cannot be proven to have bad health effects, but in a lot of cases when humans take something from nature (such as coca) and pervert it by refining and/or concentrating it chemically(such as cocaine), it generally has negative effects. And you may not have any negative impact from one can of soda, or even several in a day, but over a long period of time, even a low level exposure to something harmful (not that aspartame necessarily is or isn't) can potentially cause health effects.
And saying it is not toxic doesn't mean it's good for you, or okay to have in excess. Look what overuse of sugar can do, or overuse of white flour. Not technically toxic, but your body still doesn't like them.
*whiny voice* B-but it occurs in fruiiiiit....
Yes but in its natural form. The lab version of anything is almost never a perfect replica of what nature creates. Close, but not perfect.
All this is just opinion. I personally believe that unnatural substances aren't good for you because your body was not made to use them. Your body, a part of nature, can tell the difference. Even the taste is off. When was the last time you drank a glass of fresh squeezed grape or orange juice (both higher in methanol after breakdown than your average diet coke) and noticed the aftertaste that's in all diet drinks, and a lot of diet foods? Or ANY fruit or fresh squeezed unsweetened fruit juice you can think of?(This is not saying that the aftertaste is dangerous, merely that it signifies a difference between the artificial and natural) Scientifically, there may not be a known difference yet, but I trust my body saying there is a difference.
And yes, I am encouraging people to avoid this artificial junk (and any artificial junk they possibly can). You want "diet" sweeteners? How about you go buy a stevia plant and use that?
There is little here that Richard Heath didn't cover very well so for most I just say refer to his post. I do want to say a few things though.
Naturalists like this confuse me, I really don't get their worldview. Is the idea that anything produced by nature is good for human consumption because that is clearly untrue. Is the idea that things produced by nature are more likely to be good for human consumption than things produced by humans specificially for human consumption because that is also clearly untrue (do you think you'd be better off walking into a grocery store and eating something or walking into the forest and eating something).
Frankly is everything produced by humans for human consumption going to be 100% perfect for purpose, no. But there is no reason to expect that of nature either, in fact far far from. At least humans are trying to make something human edible, nature doesn't really give a *kitten*. That brings me to another point, how the word "artificial" and "natural" are used. I really want these defined for me as they are used by naturalists.
If the definition of "artificial" is anything that would not have been produced by nature without human intervention then all those things you think of when you think "natural" like banannas and apples and almonds and oranges and everything you can find in the produce department of a grocery store are artificial by that definition. None of them would exist in an edible form without direct human intervention. If, instead, you argue no no those are natural because although humans intervened they did so using natural processes...all they did is just select which seeds to plant. Well okay, but by definition then aspartame is also natural because guess what...although you may not be as familiar with the processes the processes used to make aspartame are also 100% natural processes, just directed by humans...like selective breeding. Would they have occured in nature as they are here without human intervention? No, probably not...but then again neither would banannas
So either all fruit, veg and nuts in your grocery store are artificial OR aspartame is natural. If you have a definition of artificial that states that aspartame is artificial while say the apple in your grocery store is natural that isn't completely arbitrary (like "anything that starts with "aspart" is artificial") then I'd like to hear it.
My suspicion is "artificial" is being defined here as "things created by a process that I personally do not understand or am completely unaware of". Well okay but ignorance isn't a good case for anything and also this is no criteria on which to base decisions about health.1 -
One other thing. When I mention that corn or tomatoes are human created products I get pushback by people who agree that the "GMO versions" of those things currently in grocery stores are human created but there are natural versions that we have like maize for corn or heirloom for tomatoes. But here is the thing, it isn't that those are naturally produced either...its just that they were produced by humans far enough in our history that they are now viewed as somehow being just natural. Maize isn't anymore natural than corn its just that corn was produced more recently while maize was produced further back by thousands of years of selective breeding in the Americas pre-Eurpoean influence. Heirloom tomatoes aren't "natural" either, they are just from the UK which is an older breeding program than ours...they too were from previous selective breeding. Ever walked into a forest and seen a tomato plant? Ever been in a meadow in a national park and seen some corn growing?
Thing is we can trace these things now with our understanding of genetics and molecular biology and find the progenitors that ARE naturally produced before human intervention.
Here is "corn" which can be traced to a native grass called teosonite that was adopted 5000 years ago in what is now Mexico. The wild version is essentially about as edible as the seeds from the grass on your lawn.
Macroscopic image of teosonite bud (picture your lawn going to seed)
Microscopic image of teasonite (zea) seeds, can almost see the "corn" aspect of it
With the popularity and omnipresence of corn it is somewhat ironic that teosonite itself is at this point an endangered species. If you saw one in the desert of mexico I am pretty sure you would not recognize it as something good to eat let alone corn.
Do you think plants benefit in some way in nature from putting all that energy into producing sugars to coat a seed in a relatively HUGE fleshy mass? No, we did that because we like to eat those things.0 -
So why make something like aspartame?
We like sweet things, but we don't like being fat...both aesthetically and for health reasons. What causes something to be "sweet"? Sweetness, saltiness, bitterness and alike all come down to a chemical interaction which involves a small molecule binding to receptors on your tongue and triggering a response. Picture the receptors as having a shaped pocket that only molecules of a certain shape can fit into and when they fit it triggers a reaction that leads to a signal being propogated to your brain.
So what causes variations in sweetness. Some things are slightly sweet, some things are very sweet...why isn't there just one "sweet". Well how "sweet" something is just a matter of how many "sweet" receptors on your tongue are triggered. Something can be more sweet if there are just a lot more molecules to trigger receptors OR alternatively if the molecule present just fits that receptor much better.
Picture it this way. If you have 100 molecules that can fit the receptor but not well then maybe 10 of them bind and cause the sweetness response. If, however, you have 10 molecules that fit the receptor very well then maybe all 10 bind and cause the same response.
As it turns out the molecule aspartame fits the sweetness receptor on our tongues much better than sugars like glucose or fructose or their combination sucrose. About 200 times better in fact.
What that means is if you have 200 sucrose molecules floating about it will trigger about the same amount of response as 1 aspartame molecule.
It isn't that aspartame has no calories, aspartame is essentially protein...it has the same calories per weight as protein does basically. No...its that you need 200 times LESS of it than you need of a carbohydrate like glucose to get the exact same amount of "sweetness". Therefore you can add 200 times LESS to your drink to get it sweet so instead of that carb 100 calorie drink you have 100/400 or 0.5 calories which is basically marketed as zero calories.
Not only that but aspartame when it hits your digestive system is broken down into phenylalanine and aspartate which are amino acids present in all proteins plus methanol in a 1:10 weight ratio which is an amount of methonal far less than you would get from something like fruit and has no danger associated with it.
As far as it "tasting bad" well that is completely subjective. Taste is really an interaction of tons of receptors on your tongue and not everyone "tastes" things the same because of it. Some people clearly hate the taste of aspartame while others enjoy it. Declaring that aspartame tastes bad like that is true for everyone is just silly because if that was true then it wouldn't be particularly marketable now would it.
We know what receptor aspartame binds to, we know the relative binding, we know the signal response from the binding, we know the metabolic breakdown products, we know where those breakdown products end up and what their effects are, we have numerous done studies in the clinic as to safety. What is the "risk" of aspartame? About as low as it gets honestly.
For reference:
Sweetness receptor and relative binding: Xu et al 2004 http://www.pnas.org/content/101/39/14258.long
General layman article on receptors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receptor_(biochemistry)
The links on aspartame for metabolic breakdown, blood levels and safety have already been provided in this thread.0 -
Why on earth is this pinned0
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Why shouldn't it be?1
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Why on earth is this pinned
Presumably for the same reason all threads get pinned on any forum - they answer relevant and frequently asked questions0 -
Pet Peeve, when people who want to continue doing a harmful behavior (usually smoking, overeating, or in this case I suppose consuming chemical sugar substitutes) uses the old "everything will kill you/living will kill you/etc." excuse as opposed to actually trying to weed said problem out of their lives. *End rant*
Unlike smoking or overeating, it has yet to be proven that aspartame is harmful to the general population.0 -
ZOMBIE THREAD LIVES!!!
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Not sure stickies qualify as zombie threads.
Not sure something that was started only 3 months ago and has had continued postings in it qualifies either.1 -
Not sure stickies qualify as zombie threads.
Not sure something that was started only 3 months ago and has had continued postings in it qualifies either.
Oh crap, it's the MFP Police!
My bad. :huh:0 -
i wouldlike members to post real life facts about their experience with aspartame. e.g. when i drink snapple diet it stunts my weight loss.0
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Can someone link me to the original post?0
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Go to the first post on this thread and you will see it says 'continued from here' click on that and you will get the first thread that led into this one.
MFP threads automatically do that if they reach the end of 20 pages.0 -
i wouldlike members to post real life facts about their experience with aspartame. e.g. when i drink snapple diet it stunts my weight loss.
My real life experience: I drink Pepsi max or diet coke or coke zero, approximately 3 cans a week.
It tastes fine and it has no ill effects.1 -
Not sure stickies qualify as zombie threads.
Not sure something that was started only 3 months ago and has had continued postings in it qualifies either.
Oh crap, it's the MFP Police!
My bad. :huh:
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i wouldlike members to post real life facts about their experience with aspartame. e.g. when i drink snapple diet it stunts my weight loss.
Well you have to remember, there are a thousand different factors at play. I highly doubt zero calorie aspartame stopped you from losing weight while in a calorie deficit.
I've always used aspartame. Be it Sweet 'N Low packets or diet sodas. When I was tracking and in a calorie deficit it in no way hindered my weight loss. How could it?
Bear in mind that doesn't prove anything. It's anecdotal evidence. Aaron up there is presenting hard evidence that you just can't beat. And I really appreciate him taking the time to do it. As much as other posters may get cranky about someone with "facts" and "evidence" getting in the way of their fear mongering.
^^basically this, except I use Splenda as I prefer the taste.0 -
I don't let all the "warnings" about aspartame scare me. When I want diet soda, I'm going to have diet soda. I've never suffered any ill effects because of it, and I drink quite a bit of it. I drink more water with flavor enhancements now, admittedly, but I still like my soda.
Besides, you can find something negative about everything you put into your mouth or body, and all of it is dire because it's going to kill you. That threat is so overdone, it's no longer the deterrent people think it is.0 -
And you can put it back on the scary list now (maybe):
"High doses of artificial sweeteners like saccharin, sucralose and aspartame can change the population of healthy gut bacteria in mice and in some humans. And those changes can affect how well their bodies metabolize sugar, according to a study published Wednesday in the journal Nature."
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-artificial-sweeteners-microbiome-20140917-story.html#page=11 -
Yes, one single study, using only saccharin, and a sample size of 7 people, is very convincing evidence of harm...1
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From that article: "Artificial sweeteners are not digested by the human body, which is why they have no calories."
*sigh* It was already hard to take the LA Times seriously....0 -
This. thread. rocks.
Thank you to the people who actually posted answers that gave information!0 -
And you can put it back on the scary list now (maybe):
"High doses of artificial sweeteners like saccharin, sucralose and aspartame can change the population of healthy gut bacteria in mice and in some humans. And those changes can affect how well their bodies metabolize sugar, according to a study published Wednesday in the journal Nature."
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-artificial-sweeteners-microbiome-20140917-story.html#page=1
Don't have time to look into this at just this moment but to anyone who is interested here is the study itself.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature13793.html
I am admittedly skeptical given that artifical sweeteners are not chemically similar to eachother so the idea they would all have the same effect seems unlikely. As far as aspartame goes it is false that it is undigested as stated in the LA times article and our microbiome would be exposed to the digested products which are just common amino acids.0 -
Yes, one single study, using only saccharin, and a sample size of 7 people, is very convincing evidence of harm...
It took a dose equivalent to 40 diet sodas to elicit a response in only 4 of the 7 participants.
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Wow, I'm so surprised on how many people have no idea about the dangers of aspartame. This is why they put so many different chemicals in our food because everyone is so damn ignorant to educate themselves on what they are putting into their bodies. Aspartame IS dangerous. Yes, like it or not, we are all going to eventually die, but why put stuff into our bodies that is slowly KILLING us???2
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Wow, I'm so surprised on how many people have no idea about the dangers of aspartame. This is why they put so many different chemicals in our food because everyone is so damn ignorant to educate themselves on what they are putting into their bodies. Aspartame IS dangerous. Yes, like it or not, we are all going to eventually die, but why put stuff into our bodies that is slowly KILLING us???
Yes, these stupid scientists who are so ignorant and uneducated, paying attention to information from peer reviewed studies instead of ....... Well,instead of what exactly?? :indifferent:2
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