Why Aspartame Isn't Scary
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A lot of people seem to have strong opinions about it but none of them any studies to back that up.Doctors say the aspartame is bad.
The guy who taught me Organic Chemistry (of which I remember NONE, except that it was the most horrible, difficult and boring class in the history of the world and I hated it and even got my only damn B, so don't come at me with ether, double bonds or alkenes, I don't remember anything!) held my bottle of Diet Pepsi up for all to see when he ranted about aspartame. (And he *****ed at me when I showed up for the next class with another bottle, lol.)
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on the stuff.0 -
I could rant against mealy, crappy, hothouse tomatoes. That doesn't mean they are scary or dangerous.Doctors say the aspartame is bad.
The guy who taught me Organic Chemistry (of which I remember NONE, except that it was the most horrible, difficult and boring class in the history of the world and I hated it and even got my only damn B, so don't come at me with ether, double bonds or alkenes, I don't remember anything!) held my bottle of Diet Pepsi up for all to see when he ranted about aspartame. (And he *****ed at me when I showed up for the next class with another bottle, lol.)
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on the stuff.0 -
*pokes head in*
Oh look, here's a thread I'm not going to touch with a 10 foot pole.
*pokes head out*0 -
A lot of people seem to have strong opinions about it but none of them any studies to back that up.
Bingo.
Hey, there's never been enough studies on all these street drugs, let's take those too! Hey, there's no calories in it & I don't seem to be that hungry! Hey, they have to make all these drugs from things we come in contact with every day anyway so what's the difference? EAT ALL THE DRUGS. I don't see any articles from my pre-authorized-as-a-legitimate-world-class-health-institute-list explaining in detail numerous scientific studies on hundreds of people verifying that it was dangerous, so whatever!1 -
That is very true.
I could rant against mealy, crappy, hothouse tomatoes. That doesn't mean they are scary or dangerous.Doctors say the aspartame is bad.
The guy who taught me Organic Chemistry (of which I remember NONE, except that it was the most horrible, difficult and boring class in the history of the world and I hated it and even got my only damn B, so don't come at me with ether, double bonds or alkenes, I don't remember anything!) held my bottle of Diet Pepsi up for all to see when he ranted about aspartame. (And he *****ed at me when I showed up for the next class with another bottle, lol.)
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on the stuff.
A guy who teaches Organic Chem on a university level has to know a little something about chemistry.
Doctors, too, are people whose opinions I factor in.
People who know their business seem to have very different opinions.
I couldn't pick a side. I continued to drink the stuff for many years, kicked it, went back, it was a vicious cycle. I'm just now, actually really done with it for good, which is why I looked at this. I didn't want to hear about it being bad when I still wanted to drink it, lol.
But until there is a consensus among people who know what they're talking about, it's hard to pick a side.0 -
Well I can only tell you of the dozens and dozens of studies that showed that it's perfectly fine and even doses that would equal 30 cans of soda a day for years didn't have any adverse effects.0
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So can someone explain to me this Aspartame?0
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That is very true.
I could rant against mealy, crappy, hothouse tomatoes. That doesn't mean they are scary or dangerous.Doctors say the aspartame is bad.
The guy who taught me Organic Chemistry (of which I remember NONE, except that it was the most horrible, difficult and boring class in the history of the world and I hated it and even got my only damn B, so don't come at me with ether, double bonds or alkenes, I don't remember anything!) held my bottle of Diet Pepsi up for all to see when he ranted about aspartame. (And he *****ed at me when I showed up for the next class with another bottle, lol.)
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on the stuff.
A guy who teaches Organic Chem on a university level has to know a little something about chemistry.
Doctors, too, are people whose opinions I factor in.
People who know their business seem to have very different opinions.
I couldn't pick a side. I continued to drink the stuff for many years, kicked it, went back, it was a vicious cycle. I'm just now, actually really done with it for good, which is why I looked at this. I didn't want to hear about it being bad when I still wanted to drink it, lol.
But until there is a consensus among people who know what they're talking about, it's hard to pick a side.
Honestly this is a false equivalence. It is claiming that years of meticulous study, published results and sceintific consensus in the field (yes consensus) that there is no toxicity or carcinogenicity risks associated with aspartame is somehow equivelent to anecdotal stories or personal opinions,
Everyone has their biases, I have my biases, you have your biases, the O-chem teacher or the Doctor has their biases. It is impossible to separate our biases from our perceptions. The entire purpose of the scientific method and the cornerstone of the scientific endeavor is to limit the influence of personal bias by requiring that things be experimentally tested with controls in place and that the unadulterated results of those experiments along with the results of the associated controls be published along with whatever the authors of the studies conjectures might be. The reasoning is that by requiring the data and controls be published it allows anyone to read the study and from the data draw their own conclusions, or, if not drawing their own conclusions at least be able to compare the authors conclusions critically to their supplied data.
Problem is no one seems to bother to do this. Not the public, not the media. I will say as I have said time and time again in this post, I am not saying listen to me...I am not saying listen to O-chem prof....I am saying look at the studies, read them (not articles on the internet about them, the studies themselves). If you cannot be bothered then at least do everyone the favor of not spreading around uninformed unread unstudied anecdotes because it helps no one.
There is a reason science disregards anecdote, it is in fact the foundation principle of science that anecdote be disregarded because it is inherently biased.
Read the studies, look at the data...reference the studies you have read, reference the data you can then provide and then we can have a discussion. As someone previously mentioned this does not require a PhD it just requires lifting more than a few fingers to type out a story you heard one time or a person who said something to you or how you get headaches when you do this thing.
And like the Little Red Hen most can't seem to be bothered with the work but are happy to chime in with their opinions based on heresay. No, I am sorry...these two things are not somehow equivalent.0 -
Since I have neither the background nor the inclination to study aspartame, I have to rely on people who know more than I do to advise me. They haven't agreed. Until they all agree, I can't know. So I don't take a side.
That is very true.
I could rant against mealy, crappy, hothouse tomatoes. That doesn't mean they are scary or dangerous.Doctors say the aspartame is bad.
The guy who taught me Organic Chemistry (of which I remember NONE, except that it was the most horrible, difficult and boring class in the history of the world and I hated it and even got my only damn B, so don't come at me with ether, double bonds or alkenes, I don't remember anything!) held my bottle of Diet Pepsi up for all to see when he ranted about aspartame. (And he *****ed at me when I showed up for the next class with another bottle, lol.)
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on the stuff.
A guy who teaches Organic Chem on a university level has to know a little something about chemistry.
Doctors, too, are people whose opinions I factor in.
People who know their business seem to have very different opinions.
I couldn't pick a side. I continued to drink the stuff for many years, kicked it, went back, it was a vicious cycle. I'm just now, actually really done with it for good, which is why I looked at this. I didn't want to hear about it being bad when I still wanted to drink it, lol.
But until there is a consensus among people who know what they're talking about, it's hard to pick a side.
Honestly this is a false equivalence. It is claiming that years of meticulous study, published results and sceintific consensus in the field (yes consensus) that there is no toxicity or carcinogenicity risks associated with aspartame is somehow equivelent to anecdotal stories or personal opinions,
Everyone has their biases, I have my biases, you have your biases, the O-chem teacher or the Doctor has their biases. It is impossible to separate our biases from our perceptions. The entire purpose of the scientific method and the cornerstone of the scientific endeavor is to limit the influence of personal bias by requiring that things be experimentally tested with controls in place and that the unadulterated results of those experiments along with the results of the associated controls be published along with whatever the authors of the studies conjectures might be. The reasoning is that by requiring the data and controls be published it allows anyone to read the study and from the data draw their own conclusions, or, if not drawing their own conclusions at least be able to compare the authors conclusions critically to their supplied data.
Problem is no one seems to bother to do this. Not the public, not the media. I will say as I have said time and time again in this post, I am not saying listen to me...I am not saying listen to O-chem prof....I am saying look at the studies, read them (not articles on the internet about them, the studies themselves). If you cannot be bothered then at least do everyone the favor of not spreading around uninformed unread unstudied anecdotes because it helps no one.
There is a reason science disregards anecdote, it is in fact the foundation principle of science that anecdote be disregarded because it is inherently biased.
Read the studies, look at the data...reference the studies you have read, reference the data you can then provide and then we can have a discussion. As someone previously mentioned this does not require a PhD it just requires lifting more than a few fingers to type out a story you heard one time or a person who said something to you or how you get headaches when you do this thing.
And like the Little Red Hen most can't seem to be bothered with the work but are happy to chime in with their opinions based on heresay. No, I am sorry...these two things are not somehow equivalent.
If you are convinced it is safe and you want to drink it up, go for it!!! Since I couldn't pick a side, I proceeded as if there wasn't a side to be chosen.0 -
Since I have neither the background nor the inclination to study aspartame, I have to rely on people who know more than I do to advise me. They haven't agreed. Until they all agree, I can't know. So I don't take a side.
That is very true.
I could rant against mealy, crappy, hothouse tomatoes. That doesn't mean they are scary or dangerous.Doctors say the aspartame is bad.
The guy who taught me Organic Chemistry (of which I remember NONE, except that it was the most horrible, difficult and boring class in the history of the world and I hated it and even got my only damn B, so don't come at me with ether, double bonds or alkenes, I don't remember anything!) held my bottle of Diet Pepsi up for all to see when he ranted about aspartame. (And he *****ed at me when I showed up for the next class with another bottle, lol.)
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on the stuff.
A guy who teaches Organic Chem on a university level has to know a little something about chemistry.
Doctors, too, are people whose opinions I factor in.
People who know their business seem to have very different opinions.
I couldn't pick a side. I continued to drink the stuff for many years, kicked it, went back, it was a vicious cycle. I'm just now, actually really done with it for good, which is why I looked at this. I didn't want to hear about it being bad when I still wanted to drink it, lol.
But until there is a consensus among people who know what they're talking about, it's hard to pick a side.
Honestly this is a false equivalence. It is claiming that years of meticulous study, published results and sceintific consensus in the field (yes consensus) that there is no toxicity or carcinogenicity risks associated with aspartame is somehow equivelent to anecdotal stories or personal opinions,
Everyone has their biases, I have my biases, you have your biases, the O-chem teacher or the Doctor has their biases. It is impossible to separate our biases from our perceptions. The entire purpose of the scientific method and the cornerstone of the scientific endeavor is to limit the influence of personal bias by requiring that things be experimentally tested with controls in place and that the unadulterated results of those experiments along with the results of the associated controls be published along with whatever the authors of the studies conjectures might be. The reasoning is that by requiring the data and controls be published it allows anyone to read the study and from the data draw their own conclusions, or, if not drawing their own conclusions at least be able to compare the authors conclusions critically to their supplied data.
Problem is no one seems to bother to do this. Not the public, not the media. I will say as I have said time and time again in this post, I am not saying listen to me...I am not saying listen to O-chem prof....I am saying look at the studies, read them (not articles on the internet about them, the studies themselves). If you cannot be bothered then at least do everyone the favor of not spreading around uninformed unread unstudied anecdotes because it helps no one.
There is a reason science disregards anecdote, it is in fact the foundation principle of science that anecdote be disregarded because it is inherently biased.
Read the studies, look at the data...reference the studies you have read, reference the data you can then provide and then we can have a discussion. As someone previously mentioned this does not require a PhD it just requires lifting more than a few fingers to type out a story you heard one time or a person who said something to you or how you get headaches when you do this thing.
And like the Little Red Hen most can't seem to be bothered with the work but are happy to chime in with their opinions based on heresay. No, I am sorry...these two things are not somehow equivalent.
If you are convinced it is safe and you want to drink it up, go for it!!! Since I couldn't pick a side, I proceeded as if there wasn't a side to be chosen.
That isn't a position I have an issue with to be honest, that seems reasonable...can't be bothered, don't feel the need to eat/drink products that have it so abstain from it...sure. The position I take issue with are those who, with the same amount of ignorance on the subject, decide to be voice out there unsubstantiated opinion that aspartame is dangerous making claims that it causes cancer or is toxic publicly and warn others away from using it due to the "danger". That sort of post on MFP was what I took issue with and was the original inspiration for this post. The "shrug, I'd just rather not bother with it" position or the "it gives me headaches so I avoid it" position I think is totally reasonable.
As I have stated before many a time my point wasn't to advocate for aspartame and try to convince absolutely everyone that they somehow needed to imbibe things with aspartame...clearly they don't. I could care less what people choose or not choose to eat or drink when it comes to fluff like a diet soda, I was just responding to what I viewed as uninformed misinformation being spread quite liberally throughout the forum with regards to the "dangers" of aspartame which are non-existent. I take some offense at the conspircy theories that somehow science has demonstrated the dangers but the food industry has covered it up for the purpose of profit, that is just downright wrong. I do not consider that to be an "opinion" either, if you look to the literature there are no examples of aspartame related toxicity...none, however there are many many many studies demonstrating no toxic effects whatsoever in a myriad of different clinical trials. There is no debate on this in the scientific literature and I realize you cannot be bothered to go check to see if thats true and fine as long as you don't try to draw some equivalence between your ignorance of the scientific literature and what you heard on the interwebz in anecdote and blog posts. There of course are plenty of internet blogs about that and plenty of people on forums with anecdotes but to compare the studies undertaken to Joe-Blow's blog as somehow equivalent I take issue with.1 -
Since I have neither the background nor the inclination to study aspartame, I have to rely on people who know more than I do to advise me. They haven't agreed. Until they all agree, I can't know. So I don't take a side.
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Then look at the scientific consensus, which clearly states that aspartame is safe.1 -
Since I have neither the background nor the inclination to study aspartame, I have to rely on people who know more than I do to advise me. They haven't agreed. Until they all agree, I can't know. So I don't take a side.
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Then look at the scientific consensus, which clearly states that aspartame is safe.
Exactly. I mean Its one thing to say "I am ignorant of the scientific consensus on this topic so I choose to abstain from comment" and "I am ignorant of the scientific consensus on this topic so I choose to voice that there is debate on this topic and a consensus has not been reached". If you are ignorant about a thing you probably shouldn't make definitive statements about said thing. Its sort of like people who see a UFO and immediately identify it as an alien spacecraft clearly forgetting that the "U" stands for "unidentified". If it is unidentified you shouldn't immediately identify it as being something.1 -
You thing, which it didn't even read in it's entirety because there were the drawings and the flashbacks started, is the only thing I've seen on the Internet.
Since I have neither the background nor the inclination to study aspartame, I have to rely on people who know more than I do to advise me. They haven't agreed. Until they all agree, I can't know. So I don't take a side.
That is very true.
I could rant against mealy, crappy, hothouse tomatoes. That doesn't mean they are scary or dangerous.Doctors say the aspartame is bad.
The guy who taught me Organic Chemistry (of which I remember NONE, except that it was the most horrible, difficult and boring class in the history of the world and I hated it and even got my only damn B, so don't come at me with ether, double bonds or alkenes, I don't remember anything!) held my bottle of Diet Pepsi up for all to see when he ranted about aspartame. (And he *****ed at me when I showed up for the next class with another bottle, lol.)
There seems to be a lot of different opinions on the stuff.
A guy who teaches Organic Chem on a university level has to know a little something about chemistry.
Doctors, too, are people whose opinions I factor in.
People who know their business seem to have very different opinions.
I couldn't pick a side. I continued to drink the stuff for many years, kicked it, went back, it was a vicious cycle. I'm just now, actually really done with it for good, which is why I looked at this. I didn't want to hear about it being bad when I still wanted to drink it, lol.
But until there is a consensus among people who know what they're talking about, it's hard to pick a side.
Honestly this is a false equivalence. It is claiming that years of meticulous study, published results and sceintific consensus in the field (yes consensus) that there is no toxicity or carcinogenicity risks associated with aspartame is somehow equivelent to anecdotal stories or personal opinions,
Everyone has their biases, I have my biases, you have your biases, the O-chem teacher or the Doctor has their biases. It is impossible to separate our biases from our perceptions. The entire purpose of the scientific method and the cornerstone of the scientific endeavor is to limit the influence of personal bias by requiring that things be experimentally tested with controls in place and that the unadulterated results of those experiments along with the results of the associated controls be published along with whatever the authors of the studies conjectures might be. The reasoning is that by requiring the data and controls be published it allows anyone to read the study and from the data draw their own conclusions, or, if not drawing their own conclusions at least be able to compare the authors conclusions critically to their supplied data.
Problem is no one seems to bother to do this. Not the public, not the media. I will say as I have said time and time again in this post, I am not saying listen to me...I am not saying listen to O-chem prof....I am saying look at the studies, read them (not articles on the internet about them, the studies themselves). If you cannot be bothered then at least do everyone the favor of not spreading around uninformed unread unstudied anecdotes because it helps no one.
There is a reason science disregards anecdote, it is in fact the foundation principle of science that anecdote be disregarded because it is inherently biased.
Read the studies, look at the data...reference the studies you have read, reference the data you can then provide and then we can have a discussion. As someone previously mentioned this does not require a PhD it just requires lifting more than a few fingers to type out a story you heard one time or a person who said something to you or how you get headaches when you do this thing.
And like the Little Red Hen most can't seem to be bothered with the work but are happy to chime in with their opinions based on heresay. No, I am sorry...these two things are not somehow equivalent.
If you are convinced it is safe and you want to drink it up, go for it!!! Since I couldn't pick a side, I proceeded as if there wasn't a side to be chosen.
That isn't a position I have an issue with to be honest, that seems reasonable...can't be bothered, don't feel the need to eat/drink products that have it so abstain from it...sure. The position I take issue with are those who, with the same amount of ignorance on the subject, decide to be voice out there unsubstantiated opinion that aspartame is dangerous making claims that it causes cancer or is toxic publicly and warn others away from using it due to the "danger". That sort of post on MFP was what I took issue with and was the original inspiration for this post. The "shrug, I'd just rather not bother with it" position or the "it gives me headaches so I avoid it" position I think is totally reasonable.
As I have stated before many a time my point wasn't to advocate for aspartame and try to convince absolutely everyone that they somehow needed to imbibe things with aspartame...clearly they don't. I could care less what people choose or not choose to eat or drink when it comes to fluff like a diet soda, I was just responding to what I viewed as uninformed misinformation being spread quite liberally throughout the forum with regards to the "dangers" of aspartame which are non-existent. I take some offense at the conspircy theories that somehow science has demonstrated the dangers but the food industry has covered it up for the purpose of profit, that is just downright wrong. I do not consider that to be an "opinion" either, if you look to the literature there are no examples of aspartame related toxicity...none, however there are many many many studies demonstrating no toxic effects whatsoever in a myriad of different clinical trials. There is no debate on this in the scientific literature and I realize you cannot be bothered to go check to see if thats true and fine as long as you don't try to draw some equivalence between your ignorance of the scientific literature and what you heard on the interwebz in anecdote and blog posts. There of course are plenty of internet blogs about that and plenty of people on forums with anecdotes but to compare the studies undertaken to Joe-Blow's blog as somehow equivalent I take issue with.
I'm not getting things off the Internet, lol. Just reading these forums, I've seen how supremely and moronically wrong people can be, while maintaining an exceptional confidence about the matter they are so wrong about.
It is highly unlikely I'd take medical advice from the Internet.
I've had two doctors tell me to stay away from aspartame and one shrug his shoulders. The Organic Chem (God, I don't even like typing the words!) guy ranted about it. Once in lab, he walked by and said, "Still drinking that stuff!" without even stopping. He was kind of funny like that, but he meant it.
Those are people I respect. I'd be a fool to not give their opinions any consideration. I've seen people on TV who also seem to be more than qualified to judge say that the stuff seems fine and won't cause cancer and that the sodium in those drinks is much more concerning. I can't discount their opinions, either.
If you're me, you hear two different opinions from two respectable sides...you can't make up your mind.
But not in a million years would I take any medical advice from the Internet. I think those who do are being foolish and getting what they paid for.
I'm just pointing out that there are probably a lot of people on the fence and we have good reason to be unsure. People we trust are telling us different things!
TS kind of like that Clarence Thomas business. When she talked, I 100% believed her. When he talked, I 100% believed him. I honestly never could make up my mind on it because I believed them both! Maybe one lied, maybe the other, maybe the truth was in the middle...after all the fuss, I had no better idea of what happened than I did before I heard about it.
I believe both sides of the aspartame thing, lol. One side has to be lying or there has to be middle ground, but damned if I know what the truth is.
I wish I could be as sure as you are. I'm just not.
To be very honest, insults will always sway me the other way. Name-calling and bullying will ALWAYS make me think the other side is better and smarter. Every single time.0 -
Ugh.
Do you even understand the difference between "random internet websites" and Google Scholar or PubMed? The former contains a boatload of Bull****, while the latter two will point you to the actual peer-reviewed science.
Can you guess which one the OP was reading?0 -
I've seen people on TV who also seem to be more than qualified to judge say that the stuff seems fine and won't cause cancer and that the sodium in those drinks is much more concerning. I can't discount their opinions, either.
But you CAN...that is the thing. You can decide which opinion to discount. To use this sodium thing as an example. Your recommended intake of sodium is something like 2500 mg. The sodium content of an 8oz can of coke is 35 mg.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/thoradin75/Passover Coke/PassoverCoke004.jpg
The sodium content of 8oz of tap water is about 10mg but can range as high as 90mg depending on the region you are in. In fact 10mg of sodium is about as low as it gets for 8oz of any fluid unless it is heavily processed...that goes for juices or tea or anything.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Articles/NDBC32_WaterMin.pdf
From this we can see that really the difference between soda and water in terms of sodium is about 25mg. Your daily intake is around 2500mg. That means one can of soda represents 1% of your sodium intake which is why on nutrition labels on cans of soda it says 1%.
You can use this information to evaluate the claims of others. If someone says the amount of sodium in soda is a problem and one person does not that does not make both claims equal, you can look at the evidence and evaluate each claim critically. In this case you can pretty clearly see that the claim that the sodium content in soda is a problem is pretty evidently false given the very low sodium content relative to pretty much any other food you can think of. 8oz of fresh lean chicken breast for example has 150mg of sodium.
I am not saying listen to me I am right, I am saying look at the evidence and evaluate the statements of others critically or just say you can't be bothered. What is a problem is when people don't bother to look at the evidence and yet still voice strong opinions because then people who also cannot be bothered to look at the evidence will get the false impression that there is somehow a lack of consensus or confusion on a subject.
I am not trying to be insulting here I am just saying it is not somehow beyond your reach or anyone's reach to just do some reading and evaluate the claims being made. If you don't want to bother to do so then fine, but then why voice an opinion on the topic at all?
You can use facts to discount the opinions of others, yes even doctors or PhDs, this should be empowering not insulting.0 -
I wouldn't even try to argue with people who knew much more than I did. I think people who do so are ding-dongs.I've seen people on TV who also seem to be more than qualified to judge say that the stuff seems fine and won't cause cancer and that the sodium in those drinks is much more concerning. I can't discount their opinions, either.
But you CAN...that is the thing. You can decide which opinion to discount. To use this sodium thing as an example. Your recommended intake of sodium is something like 2500 mg. The sodium content of an 8oz can of coke is 35 mg.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/thoradin75/Passover Coke/PassoverCoke004.jpg
The sodium content of 8oz of tap water is about 10mg but can range as high as 90mg depending on the region you are in. In fact 10mg of sodium is about as low as it gets for 8oz of any fluid unless it is heavily processed...that goes for juices or tea or anything.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Articles/NDBC32_WaterMin.pdf
From this we can see that really the difference between soda and water in terms of sodium is about 25mg. Your daily intake is around 2500mg. That means one can of soda represents 1% of your sodium intake which is why on nutrition labels on cans of soda it says 1%.
You can use this information to evaluate the claims of others. If someone says the amount of sodium in soda is a problem and one person does not that does not make both claims equal, you can look at the evidence and evaluate each claim critically. In this case you can pretty clearly see that the claim that the sodium content in soda is a problem is pretty evidently false given the very low sodium content relative to pretty much any other food you can think of. 8oz of fresh lean chicken breast for example has 150mg of sodium.
I am not saying listen to me I am right, I am saying look at the evidence and evaluate the statements of others critically or just say you can't be bothered. What is a problem is when people don't bother to look at the evidence and yet still voice strong opinions because then people who also cannot be bothered to look at the evidence will get the false impression that there is somehow a lack of consensus or confusion on a subject.
I am not trying to be insulting here I am just saying it is not somehow beyond your reach or anyone's reach to just do some reading and evaluate the claims being made. If you don't want to bother to do so then fine, but then why voice an opinion on the topic at all?
You can use facts to discount the opinions of others, yes even doctors or PhDs, this should be empowering not insulting.
Yeah, I know how to do grammar school math. It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium. I like not being hooked on the caffeine, but the truth is that I liked being hooked more and would probably pick it up again if there wasn't too much salt for me.
I didn't voice an opinion. Don't have one to voice. I stated that there are different opinions.
Since there are different opinions, it's impossible for me to know who to trust.
Now I'm going in circles and am done here. 1 -
I wouldn't even try to argue with people who knew much more than I did. I think people who do so are ding-dongs.I've seen people on TV who also seem to be more than qualified to judge say that the stuff seems fine and won't cause cancer and that the sodium in those drinks is much more concerning. I can't discount their opinions, either.
But you CAN...that is the thing. You can decide which opinion to discount. To use this sodium thing as an example. Your recommended intake of sodium is something like 2500 mg. The sodium content of an 8oz can of coke is 35 mg.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/thoradin75/Passover Coke/PassoverCoke004.jpg
The sodium content of 8oz of tap water is about 10mg but can range as high as 90mg depending on the region you are in. In fact 10mg of sodium is about as low as it gets for 8oz of any fluid unless it is heavily processed...that goes for juices or tea or anything.
http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Articles/NDBC32_WaterMin.pdf
From this we can see that really the difference between soda and water in terms of sodium is about 25mg. Your daily intake is around 2500mg. That means one can of soda represents 1% of your sodium intake which is why on nutrition labels on cans of soda it says 1%.
You can use this information to evaluate the claims of others. If someone says the amount of sodium in soda is a problem and one person does not that does not make both claims equal, you can look at the evidence and evaluate each claim critically. In this case you can pretty clearly see that the claim that the sodium content in soda is a problem is pretty evidently false given the very low sodium content relative to pretty much any other food you can think of. 8oz of fresh lean chicken breast for example has 150mg of sodium.
I am not saying listen to me I am right, I am saying look at the evidence and evaluate the statements of others critically or just say you can't be bothered. What is a problem is when people don't bother to look at the evidence and yet still voice strong opinions because then people who also cannot be bothered to look at the evidence will get the false impression that there is somehow a lack of consensus or confusion on a subject.
I am not trying to be insulting here I am just saying it is not somehow beyond your reach or anyone's reach to just do some reading and evaluate the claims being made. If you don't want to bother to do so then fine, but then why voice an opinion on the topic at all?
You can use facts to discount the opinions of others, yes even doctors or PhDs, this should be empowering not insulting.
Yeah, I know how to do grammar school math. It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium. I like not being hooked on the caffeine, but the truth is that I liked being hooked more and would probably pick it up again if there wasn't too much salt for me.
I didn't voice an opinion. Don't have one to voice. I stated that there are different opinions.
Since there are different opinions, it's impossible for me to know who to trust.
Now I'm going in circles and am done here.
But there's barely any sodium in diet soda, so your argument doesn't make any sense. You quit drinking the stuff because it has too much sodium, even though the difference in sodium between diet soda and water is negligible? Were you drinking like two gallons of the stuff per day?0 -
Kalikel, re 'being hooked on the caffeine' : Many of them dont have caffeine either - only the cola ones, (regular or diet versions)
Diet lemonade etc has no caffeine.0 -
I've switched to water and am sticking with it. I really appreciate the helpful advice, though. That's really nice of you!
Argument? There is no argument.But there's barely any sodium in diet soda, so your argument doesn't make any sense. You quit drinking the stuff because it has too much sodium, even though the difference in sodium between diet soda and water is negligible? Were you drinking like two gallons of the stuff per day?
I no longer drink diet pop. That's that. No arguing, defending or debating.
You and every other person on the planet can drink it from sun-up to sun-down and I won't even begin to care, I assure you.0 -
" It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium."
You did say that sentence, kalikel - perhaps you should of just said you quit it just because you wanted to quit it -nobody would have any problem with that.0 -
i did quit it because of the sodium." It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium."
You did say that sentence, kalikel - perhaps you should of just said you quit it just because you wanted to quit it -nobody would have any problem with that.
And I don't give a hairy rat's butt who has a problem with it, lol.
Everyone can have all the problems they want.
I have to ask. Would you care if people had a problem with your choice of beverage or reason for switching beverages?0 -
i did quit it because of the sodium." It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium."
You did say that sentence, kalikel - perhaps you should of just said you quit it just because you wanted to quit it -nobody would have any problem with that.
And I don't give a hairy rat's butt who has a problem with it, lol.
Everyone can have all the problems they want.
I have to ask. Would you care if people had a problem with your choice of beverage or reason for switching beverages?
Well, the problem people are having is that diet sodas contain such a negligible amount of sodium that that doesn't make sense as a reason.
However, of course you can quit it if you want to - nobody is saying anyone has to drink it if they dont want to.
I wouldn't care what anyone decides to drink or not drink - but it would be like me saying I am quitting drinking instant coffee because of the alcohol content - when there is none.
If I posted such a thing people would rightly point out the error.
If I posted that I was quitting instant coffee just because I didnt want to drink it any more, nobody would comment.
Can you not see the difference?0 -
...their problem.
i did quit it because of the sodium." It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium."
You did say that sentence, kalikel - perhaps you should of just said you quit it just because you wanted to quit it -nobody would have any problem with that.
And I don't give a hairy rat's butt who has a problem with it, lol.
Everyone can have all the problems they want.
I have to ask. Would you care if people had a problem with your choice of beverage or reason for switching beverages?
Well, the problem people are having is
I'm not going to drink it. I'm not going to defend or debate my choice or it's reasons.
People can have all the problems they want. Put them in a big pile, roll around in them, lol.
I honestly couldn't care less.
Have a nice night. I mean that. 0 -
If that's the case, why even bother coming into this thread with your fear mongering story about your chemistry professor, because as soon as you provide an opinion/anecdote/whatever, you should expect to be asked to defend it?
...their problem.
i did quit it because of the sodium." It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium."
You did say that sentence, kalikel - perhaps you should of just said you quit it just because you wanted to quit it -nobody would have any problem with that.
And I don't give a hairy rat's butt who has a problem with it, lol.
Everyone can have all the problems they want.
I have to ask. Would you care if people had a problem with your choice of beverage or reason for switching beverages?
Well, the problem people are having is
I'm not going to drink it. I'm not going to defend or debate my choice or it's reasons.1 -
So you quit for a completely arbitrary and bogus reason, which you choose to neither defend nor consider more rationally. Got it.
...their problem.
i did quit it because of the sodium." It's why I quit the diet pop - the sodium."
You did say that sentence, kalikel - perhaps you should of just said you quit it just because you wanted to quit it -nobody would have any problem with that.
And I don't give a hairy rat's butt who has a problem with it, lol.
Everyone can have all the problems they want.
I have to ask. Would you care if people had a problem with your choice of beverage or reason for switching beverages?
Well, the problem people are having is
I'm not going to drink it. I'm not going to defend or debate my choice or it's reasons.
People can have all the problems they want. Put them in a big pile, roll around in them, lol.
I honestly couldn't care less.
Have a nice night. I mean that.2 -
There is so much debate on this topic. This thread is full of great info.
Thanks so much!0 -
I quit drinking water because of the protein content. I would drink it again if there wasn't too much protein for me.
DON'T QUESTION MY REASONS I'M NOT ARGUING OR DEBATING. I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS LOL
Everyone have a great time tho xox 3 -
I quit drinking water because of the protein content. I would drink it again if there wasn't too much protein for me.
DON'T QUESTION MY REASONS I'M NOT ARGUING OR DEBATING. I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS LOL
Everyone have a great time tho xox
:laugh: :laugh:0 -
I'm not against eating the stuff with Aspartime. The first time I lost weight and was actually fit for the first time in my life, I drank and ate the low-no calorie foods that have it in them and never had a problem. Well life went on and I spiraled back into my fatty ways. And now I can't tolerate it, if it sneaks into even a bite of my food I have a migraine for days. I just don't know what changed so much over a 10 year span. I would be far less hindured in my losing weight if I could use the water flavorers, or the diet cokes, or bread with super low calories in it.0
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I'm not against eating the stuff with Aspartime. The first time I lost weight and was actually fit for the first time in my life, I drank and ate the low-no calorie foods that have it in them and never had a problem. Well life went on and I spiraled back into my fatty ways. And now I can't tolerate it, if it sneaks into even a bite of my food I have a migraine for days. I just don't know what changed so much over a 10 year span. I would be far less hindured in my losing weight if I could use the water flavorers, or the diet cokes, or bread with super low calories in it.
Ugh yeah that is rough. I assume you have tried different artificial sweeteners and they all end up being migraine triggers for you?1
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