Road to Six Pack ABs - Get Ripped!
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
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And that is the fun part
. Not as easy as it sounds
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The tricky thing with my metabolism is working with my appetite. I do try to eat a fair amount of healthy foods, although my diet is certainly not entirely clean. My diet already includes some calorie dense foods such as nuts, cheese, and dried fruits.0
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I do eat a good bit of bread and potatoes, although there are a few other carb sources like pasta I could stand to eat more of. The one caveat is that I do have a more sensitive digestive system than normal, so I have to be careful of how much I eat of some sources (like dairy).0
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
.
And that is the fun part. Not as easy as it sounds
Speak for yourself!
I'm a bottomless pit. Even when I'm stuffed I can keep eating. Granted, I filled my protein and my micros then ate whatever fit my macros (cheesecake, pizza, ice cream, pop tarts, cookies, etc.). 0 -
I remember back in the day when I first started lifting around age 16. Constant exposure to disinformation from muscle magazines from bodybuilding.com from basically every mainstream info source out there. It's a joke. At the same time, it's very lucrative. Ignorant people think it's just a matter of taking a supplement and doing these workouts with volume on par with drug users and they burn out. The first thing to know about 'bodybuilding' for people new to it to save a lot of headache and wise them up: there are two forms of bodybuilding, incl. bodybuilding injecting your butt cheeks and bodybuilding not injecting your butt cheeks. If you're not putting the syringe in your buttock, then you have a natural ceiling with diminishing returns as you get close to it. The simplest one that makes sense: 5'10 at 170 absolutely shredded (5 % bf) and every inch shorter take out 7 lbs. So at 5'8 you have (156). Another formula i've seen is height in cm - 100 gives contest weight in kilos (5% bf). Most of us don't walk around that deprived, so might adjust higher 10-25 lbs to give absolute max at a body fat of 10%. There's no sense imposing a ceiling arbitrarily; just train long enough and you WILL hit that plateau which implements these numbers in your reality.0
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
What are your maintenance calories at out of curiosity.?
Already a good amount of advice given in here, but just be realistic about how much you'll be able to pack on as to not set yourself up for discouragement. Its a slow and difficult process, whether you take the bulk/cut cycle approach of long term lean bulk. Path is up to you....
I've been lean bulking since January - 167 lbs or so to about 190 right now. Not sure what my body fat is right now nor do I really care, but I'm still within the "Athletic Range" I'd say... probably mid teens. I may look to mini cut after my next 13 week training cycle and resume lean bulking from there.
The only other advice I can give you is to create a more healthy mindset. Trust in the process, and focus on something other than "aesthetics". It's been mentioned that it is very slow... I used to get very frustrated staring at the mirror and not seeing much change, or seeing some fat gains. It can begin to take a toll on you, mess with your head.
So, I shifted my goals around to more of a performance based approach. I began focusing on driving my strength and performance up with hypertrophy work for assistance. Aesthetics became a byproduct of hard work and progression of something that provide a more immediate feedback - seeing numbers go up on the lifts etc..
This helped me create and maintain a more positive mindset towards the whole process.0 -
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
.
And that is the fun part. Not as easy as it sounds
Speak for yourself! I'm a bottomless pit. Even when I'm stuffed I can keep eating. Granted, I filled my protein and my micros then ate whatever fit my macros (cheesecake, pizza, ice cream, pop tarts, cookies, etc.).
I get to the point at night I am sitting on my couch stuffed.....it sucks.
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I know there are days when I would be so crazy at work that I would come home at 8pm and have 2 meals still with me that I didn't have the time to eat. I would have never thought I would catch myself saying "Damn I have to eat how many calories for dessert?" "2 pop tart ice cream sandwiches?". First world problems.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
.
And that is the fun part. Not as easy as it sounds
Speak for yourself! I'm a bottomless pit. Even when I'm stuffed I can keep eating. Granted, I filled my protein and my micros then ate whatever fit my macros (cheesecake, pizza, ice cream, pop tarts, cookies, etc.).
I get to the point at night I am sitting on my couch stuffed.....it sucks.
it is nice to know that even after dinner I still have enough calories for two servings of talenti and some cookies….0 -
I know there are days when I would be so crazy at work that I would come home at 8pm and have 2 meals still with me that I didn't have the time to eat. I would have never thought I would catch myself saying "Damn I have to eat how many calories for dessert?" "2 pop tart ice cream sandwiches?". First world problems.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
.
And that is the fun part. Not as easy as it sounds
Speak for yourself! I'm a bottomless pit. Even when I'm stuffed I can keep eating. Granted, I filled my protein and my micros then ate whatever fit my macros (cheesecake, pizza, ice cream, pop tarts, cookies, etc.).
I get to the point at night I am sitting on my couch stuffed.....it sucks.
it is nice to know that even after dinner I still have enough calories for two servings of talenti and some cookies….
Talenti Southern Butter Pecan for me last night.
Yeah, I'm in the bottomless pit category. I have to take a 3-mile walk at lunch to up my TDEE a bit so I can eat more.0 -
I know there are days when I would be so crazy at work that I would come home at 8pm and have 2 meals still with me that I didn't have the time to eat. I would have never thought I would catch myself saying "Damn I have to eat how many calories for dessert?" "2 pop tart ice cream sandwiches?". First world problems.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
.
And that is the fun part. Not as easy as it sounds
Speak for yourself! I'm a bottomless pit. Even when I'm stuffed I can keep eating. Granted, I filled my protein and my micros then ate whatever fit my macros (cheesecake, pizza, ice cream, pop tarts, cookies, etc.).
I get to the point at night I am sitting on my couch stuffed.....it sucks.
Ahhhh this is me... it's like a mission some days. Last night I kept adding Reeces pieces to my ice cream to up the calorie count! Boo-hoo for me, right?
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I know there are days when I would be so crazy at work that I would come home at 8pm and have 2 meals still with me that I didn't have the time to eat. I would have never thought I would catch myself saying "Damn I have to eat how many calories for dessert?" "2 pop tart ice cream sandwiches?". First world problems.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
.
And that is the fun part. Not as easy as it sounds
Speak for yourself! I'm a bottomless pit. Even when I'm stuffed I can keep eating. Granted, I filled my protein and my micros then ate whatever fit my macros (cheesecake, pizza, ice cream, pop tarts, cookies, etc.).
I get to the point at night I am sitting on my couch stuffed.....it sucks.
it is nice to know that even after dinner I still have enough calories for two servings of talenti and some cookies….
Talenti Southern Butter Pecan for me last night.
Yeah, I'm in the bottomless pit category. I have to take a 3-mile walk at lunch to up my TDEE a bit so I can eat more.
have you tried the new raspberry cheesecake =freaking heavenly!!!0 -
I know there are days when I would be so crazy at work that I would come home at 8pm and have 2 meals still with me that I didn't have the time to eat. I would have never thought I would catch myself saying "Damn I have to eat how many calories for dessert?" "2 pop tart ice cream sandwiches?". First world problems.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
If your metabolism is fast like you state then it's not not hard to bulk, you just have to ear more and train properly.
.
And that is the fun part. Not as easy as it sounds
Speak for yourself! I'm a bottomless pit. Even when I'm stuffed I can keep eating. Granted, I filled my protein and my micros then ate whatever fit my macros (cheesecake, pizza, ice cream, pop tarts, cookies, etc.).
I get to the point at night I am sitting on my couch stuffed.....it sucks.
it is nice to know that even after dinner I still have enough calories for two servings of talenti and some cookies….
Talenti Southern Butter Pecan for me last night.
Yeah, I'm in the bottomless pit category. I have to take a 3-mile walk at lunch to up my TDEE a bit so I can eat more.
have you tried the new raspberry cheesecake =freaking heavenly!!!
Oooohhhh...no! I'm going to have to look for it. Unfortunately BJs only carries like 4 flavors, so I gotta wait for a sale and Stop&Shop. The rate I go through that stuff, I should buy stock.0 -
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Based on what I've been eating, I think around 2100-2200. MFP suggests about 1950, but I think that's a little too low.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
What are your maintenance calories at out of curiosity.?
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Based on what I've been eating, I think around 2100-2200. MFP suggests about 1950, but I think that's a little too low.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
What are your maintenance calories at out of curiosity.?
I agree, that sounds low. I'm a 5'6", 125 lb female, 16% body fat, with a sedentary job and my maintenance is closer to 2200-2300.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Based on what I've been eating, I think around 2100-2200. MFP suggests about 1950, but I think that's a little too low.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
What are your maintenance calories at out of curiosity.?
Holy *kitten*! What are your stats? I maintain at 2600. I'm a 29 year old, female, 5'9",190 pounds and 23% body fat. MFP has me around 2200.0 -
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I'm 20 and only 5'8" 120 pounds with 8% body fat. I am sedentary most of the day, which is most likely why my maintenance/appetite is where it is.0
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ForecasterJason wrote: »I'm 20 and only 5'8" 120 pounds with 8% body fat. I am sedentary most of the day, which is most likely why my maintenance/appetite is where it is.
Just eat and lift heavy things0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Based on what I've been eating, I think around 2100-2200. MFP suggests about 1950, but I think that's a little too low.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
What are your maintenance calories at out of curiosity.?
Holy *kitten*! What are your stats? I maintain at 2600. I'm a 29 year old, female, 5'9",190 pounds and 23% body fat. MFP has me around 2200.
You're friggin amazing. Can I be you when I grow up? (Even though I'm 3 years older than you LOL)0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »I'm 20 and only 5'8" 120 pounds with 8% body fat. I am sedentary most of the day, which is most likely why my maintenance/appetite is where it is.
Eat all the food and lift all the weights. You have very low lean mass for your height. Get on a quality hypertrophy program and start eating at a surplus. You don't have to go wild, but start increasing your calorie intake until you start gaining. If you stall then increase it more.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Based on what I've been eating, I think around 2100-2200. MFP suggests about 1950, but I think that's a little too low.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
What are your maintenance calories at out of curiosity.?
Holy *kitten*! What are your stats? I maintain at 2600. I'm a 29 year old, female, 5'9",190 pounds and 23% body fat. MFP has me around 2200.
You're friggin amazing. Can I be you when I grow up? (Even though I'm 3 years older than you LOL)
I just like lifting 
And eating.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Based on what I've been eating, I think around 2100-2200. MFP suggests about 1950, but I think that's a little too low.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well, maybe you are right then.@ForecasterJason
The reason it seems ridiculous to you about the concept of how hard it is to do what you are talking about is because reading it and doing it are completely different. When you try it a few times, you outlook changes.
Personally, I am not that far right now from the starting stats I mentioned in that example. For all intents and purposes, I would be considered a complete beginner in consistent weight training. For my entire life I have always been very lean. At this point, I am trying to do a slow bulk. I don't expect to be putting on 20 pounds in the next year at the pace I'm going. But because of my age, muscle/fat ratio, and perhaps other factors, I have been blessed with a lightning fast metabolism right now. I know it will slow down as I get older, and for that reason I am hesitant to slow it down by gaining unnecessary body fat right now. This is why I do believe (for me, at least) gaining muscle on a slow bulk is hard, and why I am setting my expectations low.
But clearly, I seem to be an outlier in this thinking.
What are your maintenance calories at out of curiosity.?
Holy *kitten*! What are your stats? I maintain at 2600. I'm a 29 year old, female, 5'9",190 pounds and 23% body fat. MFP has me around 2200.
You're friggin amazing. Can I be you when I grow up? (Even though I'm 3 years older than you LOL)
me too!!!! ( even I am 8 years older then you)
MrM27, Pwr and usmcmp you are all so amazing!!!!
I am also a bottomless pit and a binge eater and work at a desk job! currently bulking so it's great I can eat more... but there are days I wish I can eat more!0
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