Road to Six Pack ABs - Get Ripped!
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Not sure why you're saying that's not a good example, but here is another one. http://www.strengthandfitnesstips.com/about/ForecasterJason wrote: »
In a thread on that forum, this guy says he went from 155 to 180 and had an eight pack before and after. http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/flashstinson0/ForecasterJason wrote: »
Interesting. I've heard of transformations in which lean guys have still been able to keep a six pack even after gaining about 20 pounds. I think this is where individual body differences in hormones and nutrient partitioning become apparent. Some people may be at an advantage and have an easier time than others.devenfuentes wrote: »Hi there! Keeping your six pack will not happen after gaining 20 lbs. I bulked for 2 years gained 21.3 lbs to be exact. Was at 10.something percent body fat at the end. My eight pack was gone!! Sucked. Only had two abs left. Good luck though
Did you gain most of that weight in a shorter time period or was it evenly spread out over the 2 years?
Do you have any links to these transformations?
Not a good example there.
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proanthonylee wrote: »I weighted 165 lbs before and in 4 months I was down to 140 lbs and now currently weigh 145 with fat % decreasing, which is super. I don't know if muscle memory will do me good. In average, with my height of 5' 9" my ideal weight would come down to about 165 - 175 lbs. Starting November is when I'll seriously pump heavier than my usual workout routine. keep posting~ and let's discuss what foods to eat.
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I've increased my calorie intake to 2550 with MACRO staying at 40% protein 40% carb and 20% fats, hopefully this ratio will help me to bulk up faster.
Ratios won't really align your macros properly in many cases and even less so on a bulk. Take your 2,550 calories, 40% will put you at 255g of protein or 1.76g per lb of body weight which is unnecessarily high.
Grams>ratios.
Thank you! I have wonder about this for a while, if I follow my macro of 30%, it will put my protein about 30g over my weight. I was wondering which one I should follow.0 -
gain of 4 lbs...so far.0
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I need to work on my legs, I have very very scrawny leg compared to my upper body. I can put on some serious lbs if I can concentrate more on my thighs which has no meat on it. most of my muscle weight gain will come from thigh mass in the future. lifting heavy and gaining slowly but surely.0
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Have you gained any noticeable fat? Four pounds in that amount of time seems a little high.
In terms of muscle mass distribution, I'm the opposite. You wouldn't want to know just how small my upper body really is.0 -
I've gained a bit of fat %, but not too much, I'm shredding more than bulking at the moment. I have a weaker lower body than my upper, so I'll be doing more of squats and deadlifts, etc for this week and next month to really get me stronger0
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proanthonylee wrote: »I've gained a bit of fat %, but not too much, I'm shredding more than bulking at the moment. I have a weaker lower body than my upper, so I'll be doing more of squats and deadlifts, etc for this week and next month to really get me stronger
How does that work?0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »proanthonylee wrote: »I've gained a bit of fat %, but not too much, I'm shredding more than bulking at the moment. I have a weaker lower body than my upper, so I'll be doing more of squats and deadlifts, etc for this week and next month to really get me stronger
How does that work?
Gear...
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ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
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LolBroScience wrote: »proanthonylee wrote: »I've gained a bit of fat %, but not too much, I'm shredding more than bulking at the moment. I have a weaker lower body than my upper, so I'll be doing more of squats and deadlifts, etc for this week and next month to really get me stronger
How does that work?
Gear...
Aware, but I doubt OP is on gear.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »proanthonylee wrote: »I've gained a bit of fat %, but not too much, I'm shredding more than bulking at the moment. I have a weaker lower body than my upper, so I'll be doing more of squats and deadlifts, etc for this week and next month to really get me stronger
How does that work?
Gear...
Aware, but I doubt OP is on gear.
OP is on something, but it's not gear.
community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10009849/anthonys-daily-motivation-living-healthy-fit-rest-of-your-life/p10 -
beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
In the last year I added 15 pounds of lean mass (natural). I went a bit wild and ended up gaining about 60% fat 40% lean mass. Obviously not optimal by any means, but 15 pounds without gear for a woman is a lot. Next bulk I expect less than that.0 -
beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
In the last year I added 15 pounds of lean mass (natural). I went a bit wild and ended up gaining about 60% fat 40% lean mass. Obviously not optimal by any means, but 15 pounds without gear for a woman is a lot. Next bulk I expect less than that.
Was this your first true bulk following established nutrition and training protocols?
How was the accuracy of your development tracked to determine exactly how much lean mass & fat mass was added?
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beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
In the last year I added 15 pounds of lean mass (natural). I went a bit wild and ended up gaining about 60% fat 40% lean mass. Obviously not optimal by any means, but 15 pounds without gear for a woman is a lot. Next bulk I expect less than that.
Was this your first true bulk following established nutrition and training protocols?
How was the accuracy of your development tracked to determine exactly how much lean mass & fat mass was added?
It was my first true bulk. Training was on point, I went a bit overboard with calories (but I hit macros even if I went over).
Development was tracked through scale, tape measure, bioelectrical impedance (just for tracking sake) and calipers (through a trainer with 10+ years of experience). I was coming off of a long cut and two bodybuilding competitions, so I was primed for growth and grew quickly in the beginning (even accounting for glycogen/water).0 -
It can be done - with lots and lots and lots of drugs. It is amazing that a lot of people have the misconception that any bodybuilder beyond being a newbie (less than 1 year or so) can just go out and gain 20lbs (and not gain any fat to boot). Wow! If you can do that without drugs, please do share the secret. That concept is a wet dream to the supplement companies! I don't honestly know if most people even really know what adding 20lbs of muscle would look like. Think of what a 20lb piece of meat would look like and then imagine that added to your frame. It takes time for a natural body builder to add muscle.
Your best bet if trying to make steady gains is the same thing that is repeated over and over on MFP; Lift heavy weights on good programing that emphasizes progressive overload, eat at a reasonable surplus of ~250-500 calories in decent macro ratios, get as much rest as possible, and end the bulk when you are ~15% or less body fat. Then you enter a cut to slowly get to ~9-10% body fat, and repeat process until you get where you want. Oh, and one last thing, this is important and probably what messes more people up than anything else. Have a realistic expectation. If you want to look like one of the behemoths in a magazine then go on a steroid cycle.
But for a natural, gaining 20lbs in a year without fat is like owning a unicorn; it just cannot be done. Instead just put in the work, enjoy the process, and keep at it and you will get there.
yup!!!! concur, nicely said sir.0 -
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beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
In the last year I added 15 pounds of lean mass (natural). I went a bit wild and ended up gaining about 60% fat 40% lean mass. Obviously not optimal by any means, but 15 pounds without gear for a woman is a lot. Next bulk I expect less than that.
Was this your first true bulk following established nutrition and training protocols?
How was the accuracy of your development tracked to determine exactly how much lean mass & fat mass was added?
It was my first true bulk. Training was on point, I went a bit overboard with calories (but I hit macros even if I went over).
Development was tracked through scale, tape measure, bioelectrical impedance (just for tracking sake) and calipers (through a trainer with 10+ years of experience). I was coming off of a long cut and two bodybuilding competitions, so I was primed for growth and grew quickly in the beginning (even accounting for glycogen/water).
Sounds fairly reasonable for a first bulk, and your expectations are logical for the following bulk.
Most of the 'big names', out there (Lyle, Alan, Brad, etc.) seem to theorize that your bulk progression will likely cut in half from one cycle to the next (of course depending on experience, length of bulk, etc.).
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beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
In the last year I added 15 pounds of lean mass (natural). I went a bit wild and ended up gaining about 60% fat 40% lean mass. Obviously not optimal by any means, but 15 pounds without gear for a woman is a lot. Next bulk I expect less than that.
Was this your first true bulk following established nutrition and training protocols?
How was the accuracy of your development tracked to determine exactly how much lean mass & fat mass was added?
It was my first true bulk. Training was on point, I went a bit overboard with calories (but I hit macros even if I went over).
Development was tracked through scale, tape measure, bioelectrical impedance (just for tracking sake) and calipers (through a trainer with 10+ years of experience). I was coming off of a long cut and two bodybuilding competitions, so I was primed for growth and grew quickly in the beginning (even accounting for glycogen/water).
Sounds fairly reasonable for a first bulk, and your expectations are logical for the following bulk.
Most of the 'big names', out there (Lyle, Alan, Brad, etc.) seem to theorize that your bulk progression will likely cut in half from one cycle to the next (of course depending on experience, length of bulk, etc.).
Sounds reasonable since you are hitting diminishing marginal returns on muscle gain while fat has fewer restrictions on growth.0 -
beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
In the last year I added 15 pounds of lean mass (natural). I went a bit wild and ended up gaining about 60% fat 40% lean mass. Obviously not optimal by any means, but 15 pounds without gear for a woman is a lot. Next bulk I expect less than that.
Was this your first true bulk following established nutrition and training protocols?
How was the accuracy of your development tracked to determine exactly how much lean mass & fat mass was added?
It was my first true bulk. Training was on point, I went a bit overboard with calories (but I hit macros even if I went over).
Development was tracked through scale, tape measure, bioelectrical impedance (just for tracking sake) and calipers (through a trainer with 10+ years of experience). I was coming off of a long cut and two bodybuilding competitions, so I was primed for growth and grew quickly in the beginning (even accounting for glycogen/water).
Sounds fairly reasonable for a first bulk, and your expectations are logical for the following bulk.
Most of the 'big names', out there (Lyle, Alan, Brad, etc.) seem to theorize that your bulk progression will likely cut in half from one cycle to the next (of course depending on experience, length of bulk, etc.).
I don't know if I would even expect half of that for another bulk. I'd be happy with half, but as you know it gets harder the closer you get to your natural potential. I more look forward to the muscle maturity over the next few years. The women on stage who have maintained the mass for a few years look better than the fresh ones even if the fresh ones have more mass.0 -
beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »beastcompany wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I've read stories of guys who have basically been able to achieve that. It can be done, but most people around here seem to think bulking/cutting is better than gaining muscle while staying very lean.
Also, in case there was confusion, I didn't literally mean trying to bulk without gaining an ounce of body fat. Take for example a man who is 130 pounds with 8% body fat. That means he would have 10 pounds of fat and 120 pounds of lbm. If he does a clean bulk to 150 pounds and 9% body fat in 12-15 months, he would likely still have visible abs. However, that would mean he would have gained 3-4 pounds of fat (almost 25%).
The issue here is that, even a complete newbie is likely not going to achieve anywhere near a 75/25 ratio of lean mass/fat during a bulk...at least, not if they're doing so at anything respectable of a pace.
Sure, if they felt like taking 3-4 years to pack on that 20lbs...maybe, they would.
But for anyone bulking at a respectable rate, and actually making REAL progress, the optimal rate of development they'd likely experience would be closer to 50/50 (at best).
In the last year I added 15 pounds of lean mass (natural). I went a bit wild and ended up gaining about 60% fat 40% lean mass. Obviously not optimal by any means, but 15 pounds without gear for a woman is a lot. Next bulk I expect less than that.
Was this your first true bulk following established nutrition and training protocols?
How was the accuracy of your development tracked to determine exactly how much lean mass & fat mass was added?
It was my first true bulk. Training was on point, I went a bit overboard with calories (but I hit macros even if I went over).
Development was tracked through scale, tape measure, bioelectrical impedance (just for tracking sake) and calipers (through a trainer with 10+ years of experience). I was coming off of a long cut and two bodybuilding competitions, so I was primed for growth and grew quickly in the beginning (even accounting for glycogen/water).
Sounds fairly reasonable for a first bulk, and your expectations are logical for the following bulk.
Most of the 'big names', out there (Lyle, Alan, Brad, etc.) seem to theorize that your bulk progression will likely cut in half from one cycle to the next (of course depending on experience, length of bulk, etc.).
Oh man, that is depressing. I knew there was diminishing returns but didn't think it was as bad as half
I'm on my second now.
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