So you want to start running
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Help! I started C25K in august and did that for 4 weeks which was great and helped me gain resistance. Then I joined an online running group and since then I've been running 3-4 days weekly starting at 20 minutes and now I'm up to 45 minutes 4 times a week. I am 214lb, 5 ft 6 in female. I average at 19 minutes per mile. Im so slowww. I would like to run a 5K in december but don't know if Ill be ready by then. My goal is to finish the 5K in 45 min or less. For example this morning I ran 2.5 miles in 47 minutes. Do you think I can be at my goal time for December 13, is there anything I can do other than run?
With only a month or two of running under your belt, The best way to increase speed is to put more miles on your legs. If you run 4 days a week, try making one of those a 'long run'. If you run 4 x 45 minute runs now, switch to maybe 1x 40 minutes, 2x45 minutes, and 1x50 minutes. Increase your mileage on that one run, but don't worry about your pace. You've got two months to do it, so I think you could drop some time. But really, a first 5k is to get one time under your belt and learn about race day. After that, you can try to improve. Still, there is an adrenaline element to race day that often makes people go faster and lowers times.0 -
Thanks! I decided to not do the 5K and just keep training at a natural pace. I know will get there, just dont want to pressure myself into getting to a certain pace in 2 months. I will definately try that training though, bc I do want to increase pace, but the 5K will be for next year. Also, I have a question about running apps vs running watches. Which is better? Also, what watch would you recommend for a beginner?0
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Thanks! I decided to not do the 5K and just keep training at a natural pace. I know will get there, just dont want to pressure myself into getting to a certain pace in 2 months. I will definately try that training though, bc I do want to increase pace, but the 5K will be for next year. Also, I have a question about running apps vs running watches. Which is better? Also, what watch would you recommend for a beginner?
I think you must have misunderstood something. There is no pressure at all around couch-to-5K.
You can do either the distance-based or time-based version and a huge portion of C25K graduates in our situation (possibly overweight to begin with) do not finish the programme whilst running 5K in 30 minutes.
A vast majority choose the time-based version, which is available on apps and podcasts, and everybody runs slowly in the beginning.
If you use a watch, you will have to look at it. Apps/podcasts tell you when to walk and when to run. I prefer the latter because there are enough new things to worry about as it is, without adding also the wrist ogling to it.0 -
Great Post, Thank you. Lots of Information and humor, love the headings- - "My shin hurts, am I going to die?"0
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I LOVE this!!!!0
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Consider joining the Long Distance Runners group. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/94-long-distance-runners0
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wonderful information, thank you. I just started running 6 weeks ago....doing a c25k. I've never felt better and more confident in myself. Running who even knew it was possible for me! Can't wait to read everything you posted especially about runner's knee which I struggled with in week 3-4.
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Like, like, like this information, as a fifty-something neophyte walker.0
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I can run a mile, My best time is 9.16 seconds. After that mile however, I am BEAT. I really want to run a 5k. Do you suggest that I keep running my miles and eventually I should be able to keep going to mile 2.. and then eventually 3.. or should I slow down and do the C25K app? Thanks!0
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Twinkie2530 wrote: »I can run a mile, My best time is 9.16 seconds. After that mile however, I am BEAT. I really want to run a 5k. Do you suggest that I keep running my miles and eventually I should be able to keep going to mile 2.. and then eventually 3.. or should I slow down and do the C25K app? Thanks!
Probably a hybrid of both. I don't think you have to drop down to the C25K model, since you can already run a mile but if you want to run further, slow down. Don't immediately jump to 2, but try to run 1.25 miles at a 10 or 11 minute pace. Then up to 1.5, etc. Once you can comfortably run 3 miles, then you can start to vary workouts to worry about time. You shouldn't try to beat your previous best on every run. Remember, 'training pace' is different than 'race pace'.
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I think an important aspect of running is technique. Why run harder when you can run more efficient. Check out Chi running or youtube running efficiently. This could make you faster and less prone to injury. Good luck everyone
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I did Week One, Day One of C25K tonight. I'd planned to walk a lot when I was done, but was WIPED OUT. So, I feel kind of cheated out of the longer workout I normally get.
This "recovery" day...can I walk? Does walking undo whatever "recovery" I'm supposed to be getting? I don't know if it makes any difference, but I also swim a bit. Swimming isn't work to me, though. I've done it my whole life, I enjoy it and never feel anything but hungry, even after a lot of hard swimming. My body is well accustomed to being in water, so maybe it doesn't count. I dunno.
This may have been answered, but I am not reading hundreds of posts to find out, since the beginning was people arguing about stupid crap and I don't have the patience to slog through all of that. 0 -
I think an important aspect of running is technique. Why run harder when you can run more efficient. Check out Chi running or youtube running efficiently. This could make you faster and less prone to injury. Good luck everyone
Chi Running is not a bad book, but by far, the largest cause of injury in new runners is 'too much too fast too soon', or the wrong shoes. That's why my first question to any novice experiencing pain is not "have you read Chi Running?", it's "What is your routine and shoe situation?"
There are exceptions (like those covered in the main post), but stride tweaks, by and large, are not something for a newb to be concerned about.0 -
I did Week One, Day One of C25K tonight. I'd planned to walk a lot when I was done, but was WIPED OUT. So, I feel kind of cheated out of the longer workout I normally get.
This "recovery" day...can I walk? Does walking undo whatever "recovery" I'm supposed to be getting? I don't know if it makes any difference, but I also swim a bit. Swimming isn't work to me, though. I've done it my whole life, I enjoy it and never feel anything but hungry, even after a lot of hard swimming. My body is well accustomed to being in water, so maybe it doesn't count. I dunno.
This may have been answered, but I am not reading hundreds of posts to find out, since the beginning was nitwits arguing about stupid crap and I don't have the patience to slog through all of that.
Walking should be fine, it would be classified as 'active recovery', but you'd be better off working different muscle groups to give your legs a rest. Something like core work, pushups, etc. Biking or swimming would also be fine, but I find there to be more benefits from strength training than from more cardio.0 -
Thanks.ThickMcRunFast wrote: »I did Week One, Day One of C25K tonight. I'd planned to walk a lot when I was done, but was WIPED OUT. So, I feel kind of cheated out of the longer workout I normally get.
This "recovery" day...can I walk? Does walking undo whatever "recovery" I'm supposed to be getting? I don't know if it makes any difference, but I also swim a bit. Swimming isn't work to me, though. I've done it my whole life, I enjoy it and never feel anything but hungry, even after a lot of hard swimming. My body is well accustomed to being in water, so maybe it doesn't count. I dunno.
This may have been answered, but I am not reading hundreds of posts to find out, since the beginning was nitwits arguing about stupid crap and I don't have the patience to slog through all of that.
Walking should be fine, it would be classified as 'active recovery', but you'd be better off working different muscle groups to give your legs a rest. Something like core work, pushups, etc. Biking or swimming would also be fine, but I find there to be more benefits from strength training than from more cardio.
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Fantastic! This is just what I needed to read today. I have slight right shin pain today... I just last week upped my distance and pace!!! That explains it then. I'm gonna slow it down but I just want to run every day! Great post :-)0
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I love this! Been looking into getting into running for a while. This is exactly what I needed!0
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Hello! I've always hated running but decided to make a big change, so I tried c25k. I made it to about week 5 when I had to stop due to pain/tenderness in the back of my ankles. Reading online, it sounds like tendonitis. I stopped running and after about two months the tenderness has almost stopped (it faded little by little but I feel just a slight twinge if I try to jog still). Once it's healed, I'm hoping to pick up running again, but I'm afraid it will happen again! Does anyone have any advice? How can I prevent this kind of injury?0
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Advice on making some progress....
46 y/o woman, overweight and not very fit but healthy until my BP started going up a year ago so starting in March this year I made a concerted effort to get in the best shape of my life. I've been skinnier and I've been fitter but I've never been both.
By August I could go for 3 "miles" in 30 minutes on the elliptical (and down45 pounds by then) so in August I decided to sign up for a 5K the first week in October. Fortunately a friend suggested I "take it to the streets" before the actual race. Fabulous advice because I only went a tenth of a mile. Where did my newly acquired aerobic conditioning go?!?! Why were my hip flexors and quads sore for 4 days after?!?!
As I went running that day on a whim in my Old Navy "athletic" shoes (only called that for the looks not the function!) I decided I needed better shoes as my Old Balance had become lawn mowing shoes. Bought a discounted pair of irregular Nikes. Better. Not great. Certainly more colorful.
.3 mile this time.
As I tend to research things to death I studied the art of jogging. And learned I needed to be fit/gait analyzed at a real running store. He didn't put me on the treadmill (tho they had one w/ camera) but he did ask where my shoes wore, support needed, how my knees felt, etc. And I bought a very good pair of Asics Gel running shoes after trying about 6-7 pairs. In fact I think I only own one pair of shoes (riding boots) that cost more than these.
But oh. my. gosh. They are worth it.
Also that I was going too fast. So I downloaded Map My Run, found a trail I loved and went to it. By race day I was up to .5 mile running and walked most of it. That's OK. Now I seem to be stuck at 1 mile. I have slowed it to the point I could speedwalk faster. Here I go, loping along. My heart/lungs say they could do this forever. I'm out of breath but would be able to talk, albeit very 'breath-y' but stabilizes to a nice 2 strides IN, 2 strides OUT (which isn't what I've read is recommended but the 2 IN/3OUT makes me feel oxygen deprived).
But at .3 I'm questioning my commitment; by .5 I'm feeling empowered. by .8 my legs feel very tired and by 1 mile I swear I think I'm going to trip if I don't slow down because my legs feel so weak I'm just plopping them down in front of me. And the only times I've gone a mile were after TWO days of rest. One day in between runs doesn't get me the mile.
I do 4x8 reps of leg presses at 170 pounds now; calf raises 4x8 at 90 pounds, hip ad/abductors at 130 pounds... I'm 5'6" and have gone from 230 to 175 pounds and those weights have all increased during my tenure at the gym. How can I get past the 1 mile mark? Granted I've progressed from nothing to 1 mile in 6 weeks but I guess having done so much cardio and strength training for the previous 6 months I should be able to do the whole 3.15 miles. Right now I jog VERY SLOW (13.5mph) for as long as I can, then brisk walk and when I feel I can jog I go at it again and just keep alternating. I do the whole 3.15 in 38-40 minutes on average.
I don't want to be a long distance runner - I just love this scenic route, the "ME" time and knocking out some calories in an efficient manner OUT of the gym. I do use the treadmill now from time to time - that's where I got my very first full mile in.
Would I be better if I don't exhaust my first mile and instead alternate sooner? Back off to running twice a week and focus more on strength?0 -
Have you given the Couch to 5K program a go? It's mentioned way at the beginning of this thread. It has you alternating running and walking at set intervals (which is key, I think) and gradually increasing the running intervals until you're eventually running the whole 5K. I've actually done all of my half marathons in a similar method usually running 3 or 4 minutes and then walking 1 minute for the whole 13.1 miles. It works very well for me and I finish in about 2 and a half hours (about an 11.5 MPH pace). I think you'd benefit greatly from a set program like C25K or a walk/run style.
One other thing to note, try not to run on the day after you do legs in the weight room. My poor legs are far too tired on the day after legs to get in a decent run. If I run at all that day, it's a short and slow one0 -
Advice on making some progress....
46 y/o woman, overweight and not very fit but healthy until my BP started going up a year ago so starting in March this year I made a concerted effort to get in the best shape of my life. I've been skinnier and I've been fitter but I've never been both.
By August I could go for 3 "miles" in 30 minutes on the elliptical (and down45 pounds by then) so in August I decided to sign up for a 5K the first week in October. Fortunately a friend suggested I "take it to the streets" before the actual race. Fabulous advice because I only went a tenth of a mile. Where did my newly acquired aerobic conditioning go?!?! Why were my hip flexors and quads sore for 4 days after?!?!
As I went running that day on a whim in my Old Navy "athletic" shoes (only called that for the looks not the function!) I decided I needed better shoes as my Old Balance had become lawn mowing shoes. Bought a discounted pair of irregular Nikes. Better. Not great. Certainly more colorful. .3 mile this time.
As I tend to research things to death I studied the art of jogging. And learned I needed to be fit/gait analyzed at a real running store. He didn't put me on the treadmill (tho they had one w/ camera) but he did ask where my shoes wore, support needed, how my knees felt, etc. And I bought a very good pair of Asics Gel running shoes after trying about 6-7 pairs. In fact I think I only own one pair of shoes (riding boots) that cost more than these.
But oh. my. gosh. They are worth it.
Also that I was going too fast. So I downloaded Map My Run, found a trail I loved and went to it. By race day I was up to .5 mile running and walked most of it. That's OK. Now I seem to be stuck at 1 mile. I have slowed it to the point I could speedwalk faster. Here I go, loping along. My heart/lungs say they could do this forever. I'm out of breath but would be able to talk, albeit very 'breath-y' but stabilizes to a nice 2 strides IN, 2 strides OUT (which isn't what I've read is recommended but the 2 IN/3OUT makes me feel oxygen deprived).
But at .3 I'm questioning my commitment; by .5 I'm feeling empowered. by .8 my legs feel very tired and by 1 mile I swear I think I'm going to trip if I don't slow down because my legs feel so weak I'm just plopping them down in front of me. And the only times I've gone a mile were after TWO days of rest. One day in between runs doesn't get me the mile.
I do 4x8 reps of leg presses at 170 pounds now; calf raises 4x8 at 90 pounds, hip ad/abductors at 130 pounds... I'm 5'6" and have gone from 230 to 175 pounds and those weights have all increased during my tenure at the gym. How can I get past the 1 mile mark? Granted I've progressed from nothing to 1 mile in 6 weeks but I guess having done so much cardio and strength training for the previous 6 months I should be able to do the whole 3.15 miles. Right now I jog VERY SLOW (13.5mph) for as long as I can, then brisk walk and when I feel I can jog I go at it again and just keep alternating. I do the whole 3.15 in 38-40 minutes on average.
I don't want to be a long distance runner - I just love this scenic route, the "ME" time and knocking out some calories in an efficient manner OUT of the gym. I do use the treadmill now from time to time - that's where I got my very first full mile in.
Would I be better if I don't exhaust my first mile and instead alternate sooner? Back off to running twice a week and focus more on strength?
Unfortunately, at first nothing helps running except, well, running. So its no wonder that you weren't able to run 5k after just doing elliptical. It is ok for general cardio, but the stress patterns and motions are completely different from running. So first and foremost - don't feel bad. You can have all the endurance in the world, but if your legs aren't used to the motion and impact, they just aren't used to the motion and impact.
As far as how you should progress, I'll ask what are your goals? It doesn't sound like you want to be a marathon runner - but would you like to run a whole 5k? 10k? Run/walk works for some people, but I get that most of us don't make it our goal to run/walk a race - we want to run a race.
If the goal is to run a whole 5k by, say, Christmas, here's what I would do: set aside 3 days to run per week. Don't try to run a whole 5k every time. Next time you go out, try to slow down to 14 minute miles, and run 1.1 or 1.2 miles continuously. If you want, you can fill up the rest of the usual mileage with run/walk - but the goal each week will be to increase the amount of continuous time spent running. This will get you over the mile mental hurdle (so much of running is mental). One thing I don't like about C25K is that there is a huge jump from intervals to "ok now run for 20 minutes straight" that freaks people out. You don't have to do it that way.0 -
Hello! I've always hated running but decided to make a big change, so I tried c25k. I made it to about week 5 when I had to stop due to pain/tenderness in the back of my ankles. Reading online, it sounds like tendonitis. I stopped running and after about two months the tenderness has almost stopped (it faded little by little but I feel just a slight twinge if I try to jog still). Once it's healed, I'm hoping to pick up running again, but I'm afraid it will happen again! Does anyone have any advice? How can I prevent this kind of injury?
So if its peroneal tendonitis, its a common overuse injury. I'll start by saying that you should always consult a doctor about this sort of thing. I can't fully diagnose what's going on over the internet (nor should you trust an internet stranger to give you medical advice).
That being said, if it is tendonitis, there are some steps you can take. Keep your calves loose and rolled out/stretched (foam rolling is good). Tight calves increase the tension and cause the tendon to rub more. Overpronation also causes the tendon to rub, so if you haven't been fitted for proper running shoes, do this.
In order to treat it, ice it for 10 minutes several times a day. If it hurts, stop the activity. Also, avoid running on any steep slopes, as this can make the tension worse. Go slow, don't be afraid to take extra time off.0 -
Thank you, ThickMcRunFast!0
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Thanks Sue & McRun -
I do want to run a 5K - actually I just want to be ABLE to run 5K. The trail I run has lots of different loops and options so I can form longer or shorter runs, but I tend to stick with 5K. It's a combination of bucket list, frustration at NOT running the October 5K plus committing to the gal who did it with me (who also can't run far) that we WILL RUN next year with a timed bib. (And oddly enough I'm actually ENJOYING it which I NEVER thought I'd say!) So I have lots of time to improve. If I've only gotten one mile under my belt in 6 weeks I really don't think I can hit 5K by December.
Unless... is there a point where beginners make great progress that I haven't hit yet? Do you get to, say, 1.5 miles and all of a sudden the body gets in a groove and now 3 isn't much harder?
I wasn't sure if C25K it would be the right training program for me - if it's better to alternate right from the beginning like they recommend vs. go as far as I can and THEN alternate walk/run the remaining mileage. I always do the whole 5K not because I'm attempting the whole thing each time but roughly 3 miles is my usual distance. If I'm feeling weak or unwell, etc. I cut it to 30 minutes regardless of distance.
I will try to slow it down even more and keep plugging along. I'm trying to run 3x a week; gym 5x total w 2 days strength and cardio (walking/elliptical) and the other 3 running. So that does mean I'm usually running the day after legs. I'll try to arrange for the day after legs to be a rest day.
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Thanks Sue & McRun -
I do want to run a 5K - actually I just want to be ABLE to run 5K. The trail I run has lots of different loops and options so I can form longer or shorter runs, but I tend to stick with 5K. It's a combination of bucket list, frustration at NOT running the October 5K plus committing to the gal who did it with me (who also can't run far) that we WILL RUN next year with a timed bib. (And oddly enough I'm actually ENJOYING it which I NEVER thought I'd say!) So I have lots of time to improve. If I've only gotten one mile under my belt in 6 weeks I really don't think I can hit 5K by December.
Unless... is there a point where beginners make great progress that I haven't hit yet? Do you get to, say, 1.5 miles and all of a sudden the body gets in a groove and now 3 isn't much harder?
I wasn't sure if C25K it would be the right training program for me - if it's better to alternate right from the beginning like they recommend vs. go as far as I can and THEN alternate walk/run the remaining mileage. I always do the whole 5K not because I'm attempting the whole thing each time but roughly 3 miles is my usual distance. If I'm feeling weak or unwell, etc. I cut it to 30 minutes regardless of distance.
I will try to slow it down even more and keep plugging along. I'm trying to run 3x a week; gym 5x total w 2 days strength and cardio (walking/elliptical) and the other 3 running. So that does mean I'm usually running the day after legs. I'll try to arrange for the day after legs to be a rest day.
Thanks again!
All I can give you is my own experience since I'm not a running guru by any stretch of the imagination.
I think which method you choose is really up to your personal preference. I have found it easier, and overall faster, to keep increasing the running interval length as time has gone on. One of the reasons this works better for me is that I'm not getting to the point that I need to walk; I have scheduled walk intervals which improves my energy level and that keeps me from getting so tired by the end that my walk intervals end up being longer than the run intervals and my running pace slows way down. Now, that said, I had to take a few months off earlier this year due to a foot injury. When I started running again I decided it was time to work on increasing my run intervals and maybe even try to get to the point where I'm running the whole 5K. When I started up again in May I was running about 2 minutes before I had to stop. I'm now to the point where I can run the first mile and a half, and beyond, without stopping so I think there's definitely a point where you can suddenly go much further without walking (C25K has a few weeks where the running time increases drastically from the previous week and most people find they have no problems if they can get past the mental part of it.) The difference is, if I do run a mile and a half before my first walk interval, the rest of the run is more difficult. On the other hand, if I use a shorter (6-7 minute) run/1 minute walk intervals, I finish faster and without being as tired.0 -
Thanks for the information. I recently started running again after many years dormant. I found that I did best when I allow myself to progress at my own pace. Even when I was a strong runner I was slow. I just say don't be too hard on yourselves. Even if you go 1/10 of a mile more than the last time celebrate that win!0
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Thanks Sue & McRun -
I do want to run a 5K - actually I just want to be ABLE to run 5K. The trail I run has lots of different loops and options so I can form longer or shorter runs, but I tend to stick with 5K. It's a combination of bucket list, frustration at NOT running the October 5K plus committing to the gal who did it with me (who also can't run far) that we WILL RUN next year with a timed bib. (And oddly enough I'm actually ENJOYING it which I NEVER thought I'd say!) So I have lots of time to improve. If I've only gotten one mile under my belt in 6 weeks I really don't think I can hit 5K by December.
Unless... is there a point where beginners make great progress that I haven't hit yet? Do you get to, say, 1.5 miles and all of a sudden the body gets in a groove and now 3 isn't much harder?
I wasn't sure if C25K it would be the right training program for me - if it's better to alternate right from the beginning like they recommend vs. go as far as I can and THEN alternate walk/run the remaining mileage. I always do the whole 5K not because I'm attempting the whole thing each time but roughly 3 miles is my usual distance. If I'm feeling weak or unwell, etc. I cut it to 30 minutes regardless of distance.
I will try to slow it down even more and keep plugging along. I'm trying to run 3x a week; gym 5x total w 2 days strength and cardio (walking/elliptical) and the other 3 running. So that does mean I'm usually running the day after legs. I'll try to arrange for the day after legs to be a rest day.
Thanks again!
I'd really consider a C25K program.
I can only speak from my experience, but it seems like the program does a good job of building your body up to running the full distance You mention the point where your body suddenly gets 'in a groove.' For the folks who've done the Zen Labs C25K program it's the '20 minute run day'. For the entire program you've been building alternating walking/running - then it feels like it drops a 20 minute run on you out of nowhere. You think 'wait a minute'... I'm not ready for that.
But then you finish it and realize you can. Then (spoiler alert) it pushes you to 22 and 25 minute . And I remember on those runs that it felt like those extra 2 then 3 minutes were a LOT of work. And suddenly...at least for me, my body pushed through.
By the end of the program you can run 30 minutes. Then you tack on another 5...and another 5. You'll reach a point where there isn't a big difference between running 3 miles or 8...you just get in a groove and click off the miles.
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Gabbo's post is timely as I just ran the 20-minute run day in the Zen Labs' C25K program. I couldn't recommend the program more strongly. I mean, four weeks ago I could barely run 90-seconds at a time! The 20-minute run wasn't easy but I felt strong and capable.
I'm relatively fit, just never been much of a runner so even on days when I felt like I could do more, I've gone slow and stuck with the program (run/walk). I would really recommend it. Even if you're already running, you can always work on the intervals for speed.0 -
i just started the c25k. your post makes so much sense. thanks.0
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Great post!0
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