rate my diet plan!
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TavistockToad wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »It took 5 pages for someone to notice hangry. . .ugh.
I'm sorry
I've failed as an MFPal, I know...
It is okay; a holiday is coming and some folks are trying to figure out if they can consume 10,000 calories or not.
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coruscatti wrote: »jasonmh630 wrote: »But it also didn't say "rate my diet plan from a nutritional standpoint" either. From your own comments and what you say you wanted to hear, that's how it should have been worded. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Don't post a vague topic and then expect people to read your mind about what context the answers should be.
As I said, most people can tell the difference between connotation and denotation.Goodness! This is what I'm talking about... no one was mocking you, they were just messing around, you could be an adult and choose which posts to comment to or you could be a troll and engage, engage, engage. Why would you think after someone posted something facetious that all of a sudden they would response constructively to your attitude? You seriously ignored all of the positive things I said in my comment and attacked something that someone else said, I merely summarized. You are very literal and petty, stuff your face, be happy and carry on.
Oh ok so it's ok for them to "mess around with me" by calling my diet plan "disgusting" and "negative 10 out of 10" but if I call them out on it I'm a "troll." Flawless logic.
I'm not overly literal...if anyone's overly literal it's the people who interpreted "rate my diet plan" as "say anything negative about my diet plan that you want, regardless of whether it's useful or kind."
Especially on a DIET FORUM food is a sensitive topic and people should know better than to call someone's diet "gross." Honestly some eating disorders have been triggered that way. Let me ask you a question if I was 300 pounds and posted a "sample diet plan" would people be "messing with me" by calling it "deeply unappetizing"? I sure hope not because that might just discourage someone enough to make them give up on dieting.
Just get a sense of humor, you're on a message board not in therapy if someone says to you your food looks boring and that sends you into a downward spiral towards an ED then you have more issues to worry about then if you're gonna get a 10/10 on your diet plan, jeez.0 -
aSaltandBattery wrote: »If you post on the forums expect 75% criticism or personal relativity. If that's not what you want then post to your friends list, if they don't say what you want to hear then unfriend them.
I find searching the forums for something similar to see responses before putting myself out there to be most productive because most of the time people ask questions, get responses and then get defensive. By just reading someone else I don't take it personally, but still gain from what is written.
Plus asking about specific food choices in terms of "rate my diet plan!" I think you already think that what you are eating is healthy/know it and just wanted other people to agree with you on how well you are choosing foods. However, the vast variety of people on this site and different macros and diet patterns that people on this site follow prove to generate mostly criticism on the forums because we are all quite different.
Hmmm wish I had known that before I posted...I have never been on a forum before that had this kind of culture. Although looking back on it I have seen a lot of non-constructive criticisms on other peoples' diet plans, so maybe I should have known better.
Well I know my diet is on the road to being healthy but I wanted to know if maybe I was eating too many legumes or too much dairy or not enough dairy, for example, or if I might be missing out on some micronutrient. The "too many carbs" thing might have some merit to it and I am going to experiment with adding more protein next week for that reason.
I don't care if someone follows a different plan from me as long as they're healthy.-2 -
shred_me_up wrote: »Hey op, sorry for the not-so-helpful responses. Honestly it sounds fine to me , but I do think that maybe you are overthinking things a bit too much! eating almost exactly the same thing every day would drive me crazy but you know yourself better than anyone of us.
also I think other people on this thread are over exaggerating- seems you take days off from logging which to me shows you aren't overly obsessed or anything.
I would give it a few weeks and see how you're feeling, then tweak it from there! Also, what about hard boiled eggs for lunch? You don't have to refrigerate. Or maybe you could get a thermos that will keep your food warm so that you can bring soups and things. Just a suggestion!
Idk, I mean maybe I should add variety but I don't know where to start. There's already a lot of limitations due to my refrigerator situation at work. I feel like if I had to introduce variety I would just get overwhelmed and end up not doing anything. It might be something to think about though.
Hard boiled eggs are ok but then there's the odor factor....Thermos might be ok too, does it really work as advertised?-1 -
Best of luck on your journey.0
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I wanted to know if maybe I was eating too many legumes or too much dairy or not enough dairy, for example, or if I might be missing out on some micronutrient.
Yes.
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Just get a sense of humor, you're on a message board not in therapy if someone says to you your food looks boring and that sends you into a downward spiral towards an ED then you have more issues to worry about then if you're gonna get a 10/10 on your diet plan, jeez.
"Boring" is one thing. "Gross," "disgusting," "extremely unappetizing," and "negative 10 out of 10" are quite another. Those are actual phrases people used to describe my diet...if you look in the previous pages.0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »I was writing out something for the OP about the diet and their diary but it seems pointless when someone isn't seeking advice but affirmation. OP I'd rate the diet a 6. My bias, but no sugar, coffee, or creamer in the AM and you're down 3 points before you walk out the door. Good luck.
What's the other point lost for??
A general blandness and lack of creativity. I can eat lentils, but throw a smoked turkey leg, carrots, celery, garlic, and some other items in a slow cooker and I may have given it a 6.4. . .maybe.
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coruscatti wrote: »
Just get a sense of humor, you're on a message board not in therapy if someone says to you your food looks boring and that sends you into a downward spiral towards an ED then you have more issues to worry about then if you're gonna get a 10/10 on your diet plan, jeez.
"Boring" is one thing. "Gross," "disgusting," "extremely unappetizing," and "negative 10 out of 10" are quite another. Those are actual phrases people used to describe my diet...if you look in the previous pages.
I did look at the other pages, ONE person said negative 10 out of 10 on like the first page and you honestly cannot get over it. I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with this, it's tough to be a troll
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coruscatti wrote: »
Just get a sense of humor, you're on a message board not in therapy if someone says to you your food looks boring and that sends you into a downward spiral towards an ED then you have more issues to worry about then if you're gonna get a 10/10 on your diet plan, jeez.
"Boring" is one thing. "Gross," "disgusting," "extremely unappetizing," and "negative 10 out of 10" are quite another. Those are actual phrases people used to describe my diet...if you look in the previous pages.
Yes... They are opinions... Those things people give when you ask them to 'rate your diet'...0 -
coruscatti wrote: »aSaltandBattery wrote: »If you post on the forums expect 75% criticism or personal relativity. If that's not what you want then post to your friends list, if they don't say what you want to hear then unfriend them.
I find searching the forums for something similar to see responses before putting myself out there to be most productive because most of the time people ask questions, get responses and then get defensive. By just reading someone else I don't take it personally, but still gain from what is written.
Plus asking about specific food choices in terms of "rate my diet plan!" I think you already think that what you are eating is healthy/know it and just wanted other people to agree with you on how well you are choosing foods. However, the vast variety of people on this site and different macros and diet patterns that people on this site follow prove to generate mostly criticism on the forums because we are all quite different.
Hmmm wish I had known that before I posted...I have never been on a forum before that had this kind of culture. Although looking back on it I have seen a lot of non-constructive criticisms on other peoples' diet plans, so maybe I should have known better.
Well I know my diet is on the road to being healthy but I wanted to know if maybe I was eating too many legumes or too much dairy or not enough dairy, for example, or if I might be missing out on some micronutrient. The "too many carbs" thing might have some merit to it and I am going to experiment with adding more protein next week for that reason.
I don't care if someone follows a different plan from me as long as they're healthy.
OP--a cool part of the diary tool is just to plug your 'diet' in and see where there may be a shortfall; but it depends on what you want to accomplish. Make sense? And make an effort to expand and be flexible with your intake. IE leave the bread out and add ranch dressing, wasabe, and EVOO to ham and cheese rolls. With greater flexibility in your intake it allows you to 'create' your diary. And make small changes to your diary so you can find what works. If any of this is helpful I'll deny I recommended it
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coruscatti wrote: »
Oh is that how messages boards work? :P0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »OP--a cool part of the diary tool is just to plug your 'diet' in and see where there may be a shortfall; but it depends on what you want to accomplish. Make sense? And make an effort to expand and be flexible with your intake. IE leave the bread out and add ranch dressing, wasabe, and EVOO to ham and cheese rolls. With greater flexibility in your intake it allows you to 'create' your diary. And make small changes to your diary so you can find what works. If any of this is helpful I'll deny I recommended it
The problem is that MFP only lists some of the nutrients and there are other factors like phytic acid in legumes and stuff that affect absorbed nutrient content. And then there's factors besides that which affect your health, like the effect of soy and dairy on estrogen, stuff like that, which MFP wouldn't tell you about. I know some people know more about those things than me so I was hoping some of them would offer their input.
Once again, can't do ham for lunch because of lack of refrigerator.
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coruscatti wrote: »
I'm just going to go back to my original suggestion, big.deep.breaths. We're not out to get you...0 -
coruscatti wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »OP--a cool part of the diary tool is just to plug your 'diet' in and see where there may be a shortfall; but it depends on what you want to accomplish. Make sense? And make an effort to expand and be flexible with your intake. IE leave the bread out and add ranch dressing, wasabe, and EVOO to ham and cheese rolls. With greater flexibility in your intake it allows you to 'create' your diary. And make small changes to your diary so you can find what works. If any of this is helpful I'll deny I recommended it
The problem is that MFP only lists some of the nutrients and there are other factors like phytic acid in legumes and stuff that affect absorbed nutrient content. And then there's factors besides that which affect your health, like the effect of soy and dairy on estrogen, stuff like that, which MFP wouldn't tell you about. I know some people know more about those things than me so I was hoping some of them would offer their input.
Once again, can't do ham for lunch because of lack of refrigerator.
We can go back and forth with hypotheticals and dietary pros and cons at the end of the day you'll need to decide what you are going to obsess about least. Do you want to concern yourself with nutrient content of each item or accept that you are restricting your intake and showing a classic ED sign. By broadening your view on foods and their even broader MACRO content you'll have greater long term success with how you view your intake.
You do not a frig, you need an ice pack and a piece of paper. Again, find a solution, or make an excuse.
Best of luck, I'm out of the sandbox in this thread.
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coruscatti wrote: »
The problem is that MFP only lists some of the nutrients and there are other factors like phytic acid in legumes and stuff that affect absorbed nutrient content. And then there's factors besides that which affect your health, like the effect of soy and dairy on estrogen, stuff like that, which MFP wouldn't tell you about. I know some people know more about those things than me so I was hoping some of them would offer their input.
Once again, can't do ham for lunch because of lack of refrigerator.
Even expert scientists are still learning about foods and food combinations, such as how tomatoes are better for you nutritionally when combined with olive oil (which is natural to an Italian, say). So you expect too much from this community.
Yet most of us here know that variety is key to nutrition. Humans are like rats. They can eat most things, and have evolved to do so.. By restricting yourself to the same thing every day, it is almost guaranteed your are going to lack SOMETHING. what that something is, I don't know.
Where do you live/ work OP that a refrigerator is such an issue? Thousands of people eat ham sandwiches every day that they have wrapped in cling film and kept in their bags and they don't die. Use an insulated cool bag, use an ice pack, your ham will be fine by lunchtime.
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coruscatti wrote: »aSaltandBattery wrote: »If you post on the forums expect 75% criticism or personal relativity. If that's not what you want then post to your friends list, if they don't say what you want to hear then unfriend them.
I find searching the forums for something similar to see responses before putting myself out there to be most productive because most of the time people ask questions, get responses and then get defensive. By just reading someone else I don't take it personally, but still gain from what is written.
Plus asking about specific food choices in terms of "rate my diet plan!" I think you already think that what you are eating is healthy/know it and just wanted other people to agree with you on how well you are choosing foods. However, the vast variety of people on this site and different macros and diet patterns that people on this site follow prove to generate mostly criticism on the forums because we are all quite different.
Hmmm wish I had known that before I posted...I have never been on a forum before that had this kind of culture. Although looking back on it I have seen a lot of non-constructive criticisms on other peoples' diet plans, so maybe I should have known better.
Well I know my diet is on the road to being healthy but I wanted to know if maybe I was eating too many legumes or too much dairy or not enough dairy, for example, or if I might be missing out on some micronutrient. The "too many carbs" thing might have some merit to it and I am going to experiment with adding more protein next week for that reason.
I don't care if someone follows a different plan from me as long as they're healthy.
LOL, you should see baby and dog forums.0 -
As a couple other folks mentioned, there is no creativity in the food plan, nor is there any flexibility from what I saw.
Meaning chances of long term adherence are dismal, and that in turn would make it almost worthless as a dietary plan.0 -
emily_stew wrote: »DaivaSimone wrote: »coruscatti wrote: »Some people on this forum really need to learn how to give CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
I just rated your diet with constructive comments, suggestions and examples, and you didn't bother answering something.
You're not interested in constructive criticism, you're interested in fighting people over the internet.
No, YOU are!
Wait, what?
Hangry.
You make me feel sad. Sandgry?
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I'm just going to leave this here:
"Honoring personal preference is one of the most powerful yet underrated tactics for achieving optimal health and body composition." -Alan Aragon
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Eat some nuts - you will feel full after every meal and it won't feel so "restrictive". I eat more than this, very active, and never gain weight.0
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »Eat some nuts - you will feel full after every meal and it won't feel so "restrictive". I eat more than this, very active, and never gain weight.
deez nutz?0 -
same here ! live a little have some milk, or make it really interesting..chocolate milk with some cheerios.FatOldManMN wrote: »You lost me at Cheerios with water.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »coruscatti wrote: »Ok I really don't understand...what is so restrictive about this plan? What do you all usually eat?
For breakfast:
2 scrambled eggs, 2-3 slices of bacon, an English muffin
OR
Oatmeal with flaxseed and brown sugar
OR
English muffin with PB, 50-70 grams of banana, and 2-3 slices of bacon
I usually don't eat a morning snack.
Lunch:
4 oz. Boar's Head turkey breast on a low carb wrap with lettuce
Chips or pretzels for a side
Afternoon snack(s):- Fiber One bar
- Kind bar
- Zone bar
- Banana
- Pretzels
- Hummus and veggies
- Guacamole and tortilla chips
Dinner:
4 oz. chicken, baked potato with Earth Balance, green beans with EVOO and garlic
OR
6 oz. salmon, brown rice, asparagus with EVOO and garlic
OR
4 oz. steak, baked potato with Earth Balance, green beans with EVOO and garlic
Late night snack:- Popcorn
- Rice cakes
this sounds like my kinda plan ! can we be roommates? How much brown sugar on the oatmeal? pinch?
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Its a great plan if your not looking to be around long. Otherwise, I would look into a healthier plan.0
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coruscatti wrote: »I think I better understand why you need water with your cheerios... dry greens, plain toast, cheerios and nuts... I would need water to help get all that down too!
Ummm no it's because you're supposed to drink 8 cups of water per day. Since I work in a lab I'm not allowed to eat or drink anything as I work and so I have to remember to actually go get water when I'm taking a break, or else I will get headaches.And whats the reason you think Americans are obese? Because people here are advising you to eat more variety and saying food should be enjoyable?
No because this person seemed soooo shocked that it's possible to eat salad without dressing and have tea with nothing in it. Food is enjoyable to me. I don't know why everyone is assuming it's not just because they don't personally like the foods I eat.
Anyway, as for the protein thing, this morning I had to use up some food in my refrigerator before going away for Thanksgiving, so I had three scrambled eggs and a Greek yogurt for breakfast and unsweetened coconut milk. That's supposedly the "high protein/high fat/includes copious amounts of animal products" breakfast everyone is telling me to have...so we'll see if I'm hungry by 10:30 or not.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was shocked at the lack of variety, the idea that tea could be "dessert," not that you could eat salad (are plain greens even a salad?) with no dressing, or other veggies. Personally, I eat tons of salad, with lots of colorful veggies (and a variety of healthy vinagrette or Greek yogurt based dressings) and I don't add anything to the wide variety of teas that I drink on a daily basis (sometimes even with my dessert.) Also, I'm not obese, so I'm not sure why my surprise would tell you anything about American obesity.
If you enjoy your menu of plain, unadorned, dry food, then great! But you asked for what we think, and I think I would die of boredom.
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