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OP Isn't opinion lovely - now I bet you are really confused lol The truth is that there is some truth in most of the posts but not really the whole picture which is complex as as well as sugar a lot depends on you and how sugar affects you. If you can't eat sugar and you are not overly sensitive to it then the posts that say "its not evil" are right. I would just stick you your overall macros. Trying to eat more complex carb has got to be better imho because the energy burn is slower and you wont feel hungry after eating it for longer. If you are sensitive to sugar then eating refined sugar is bad because it can throw your psychology out (you can feel anxious, depressed, isolated) as well as lead to cravings for more and more. The problem is people who are not sensitive use basic empathy (normal human behavior) and see everyone similar to themselves so they don't understand (or recognize) the experience that someone who is sensitive to sugar has when they eat some. My advice is (1) if you are not sensitive then do whatever floats your boat (2) if you are sensitive try and leave it alone completely. My experience / Knowledge on this is that I am sugar sensitive and I have a degree and post grad in Psychology (for what its worth :-))0
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herrspoons wrote: »OP Isn't opinion lovely - now I bet you are really confused lol The truth is that there is some truth in most of the posts but not really the whole picture which is complex as as well as sugar a lot depends on you and how sugar affects you. If you can't eat sugar and you are not overly sensitive to it then the posts that say "its not evil" are right. I would just stick you your overall macros. Trying to eat more complex carb has got to be better imho because the energy burn is slower and you wont feel hungry after eating it for longer. If you are sensitive to sugar then eating refined sugar is bad because it can throw your psychology out (you can feel anxious, depressed, isolated) as well as lead to cravings for more and more. The problem is people who are not sensitive use basic empathy (normal human behavior) and see everyone similar to themselves so they don't understand (or recognize) the experience that someone who is sensitive to sugar has when they eat some. My advice is (1) if you are not sensitive then do whatever floats your boat (2) if you are sensitive try and leave it alone completely. My experience / Knowledge on this is that I am sugar sensitive and I have a degree and post grad in Psychology (for what its worth :-))
Please explain the neurochemical reactions involved in sugar uptake and how the body differentiates between sugar sourced as a refined disaccharide like sucrose and monosaccharide glucose and fructose in fruit.
There is no debate about this. Unless you have an intolerance to some sugar types - such as fructose malabsorption syndrome or diabetes - sugar, regardless of whether it's 'natural' or refined is not harmful in moderation.
I would say that there is plenty of room for argument that the body does not differentiate between sugar based on source. Unless you are suggesting that the sugar be removed from the source and eaten alone. But who the heck does that?0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Yes, this is true. But unfortunately, due to the charged nature of the subject, that's the way it is.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Ah, what kind of world do we live in, that yogurt is a charged topic.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I would say that there is plenty of room for argument that the body does not differentiate between sugar based on source.
Fine. Prove it. Show me how the body differentiates between, say, glucose sourced from a donut or an apple - not the digestive process, but the actual glucose molecules.
I can't because no one removes the molecules and eats them alone. Prove to me that someone does this or I say it's a silly argument. 'This would never ever happen, but if it did, your body couldn't tell the difference.' Yeah, sound logic there.0 -
Fuchsiagenii wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Fuchsiagenii wrote: »YES, sugar is BAD for us.
And for those of you that do not know - ALL CARBOHYDRATES are converted into GLUCOSE by the body.
Regarding the composition of fruit - I am not a chemist and I too have read the web link that with regard to herrspoons comments "There are three dietery monosaccharides - glucose, fructose and galactose. Lactose, like maltose and sucrose, is a disaccharide."
What I was trying to put across is that eating a whole fruit, although it contains "sugar" has healthy benefits because of the vitamins, antioxidants and fibre that it contains. And drinking fruit juice is not the same as having a whole fruit.
With regard to the sugar content in the yogurts - I was advised by my dietician to go for the ones that contain 3% of sugar or less. Now 3% of any amount is 3% for those of you that do not know your maths. And of course, if you are counting your calorie intake the more you eat the more calories you will have eaten, but the percentage of sugar will still
be 3% of the total that you ate (the carbohydrate of which are sugars will be different).
There was an advert on UK TV last night, with regard to people cutting down on their intake of sugar! A programme a couple of nights ago on UK TV about the Tudors, showed how their health deteriorated because of eating - SUGAR! The sugar caused dreadful tooth decay and because of that, bacteria entered into the blood stream. Their dentistry was not as advanced as ours and they did not have pain killing relief nor any antibiotics. Any rotten teeth were pulled out with no sedation. Most of them had died because of blood poisoning due to getting the rotten teeth (and infections) which was an entry for bacteria from eating too much SUGAR!
Our modern diet consists of too much sugar and sugar in all sorts of products (hidden sugars).
There was also a programme not long ago on UK TV that talked about that sugar is far worse than fat.
Many years ago we were told that butter was no good for us, now we are told that it is better to eat butter than some of the margarines. We were told that fat was bad for us and now we are told there are good fats and bad fats. The good fats are those in fish, nuts, avocado pears and coconuts.
Eating everything in moderation is the key, but with people who have a glucose intolerance or have diabetes, it is even more important to control sugar intake whether this is from simple or complex carbs.
Eating a snickers bar everyday is fine as long as you are eating other healthy foods and are not glucose intolerant or a diabetic.
Please do not post as an authority when it is clear that you are not.
I am NOT posting as an authority. Just stating the facts!
except "sugar is bad" isn't a fact.
It's an opinion.
A pretty piss poor opinion- but you're entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.
What you are not entitled to is to post up on these boards and spew opinions as if they were facts. THAT- while you can do it- WILL be challenged.0 -
The truth is that there is some truth in most of the posts but not really the whole picture which is complex as as well as sugar a lot depends on you and how sugar affects you. If you can't eat sugar and you are not overly sensitive to it then the posts that say "its not evil" are right. I would just stick you your overall macros. Trying to eat more complex carb has got to be better imho because the energy burn is slower and you wont feel hungry after eating it for longer. If you are sensitive to sugar then eating refined sugar is bad because it can throw your psychology out (you can feel anxious, depressed, isolated) as well as lead to cravings for more and more. The problem is people who are not sensitive use basic empathy (normal human behavior) and see everyone similar to themselves so they don't understand (or recognize) the experience that someone who is sensitive to sugar has when they eat some. My advice is (1) if you are not sensitive then do whatever floats your boat (2) if you are sensitive try and leave it alone completely. My experience / Knowledge on this is that I am sugar sensitive and I have a degree and post grad in Psychology (for what its worth :-))
What does this have to do with OP's question about full fat vs. low/no fat yogurt?
We have really gone over the bend on this "sugar is evil!" thing that people feel like they have to apologize or be defensive about eating yogurt (which is how I interpreted OP's "I know sugar is bad" comment--that she thought people were going to tell her she shouldn't be eating yogurt because sugar.)0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I would say that there is plenty of room for argument that the body does not differentiate between sugar based on source.
Fine. Prove it. Show me how the body differentiates between, say, glucose sourced from a donut or an apple - not the digestive process, but the actual glucose molecules.
It can't because no one removes the molecules and eats them alone. Prove to me that someone does this or I say it's a silly argument. 'This would never ever happen, but if it did, your body couldn't tell the difference.' Yeah, sound logic there.
:scratches head:
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Sugars bad if you're not burning it, & like Dr. Mark Hyman says, fat doesn't make you fat, sugar makes you fat. So full fat yogurt's the better option, there's not much difference if you eat either or, it's good as long as you hit your daily macros
I know it is the sugar and other Carbs that make me fat more so than eating Fats.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Sugars bad if you're not burning it, & like Dr. Mark Hyman says, fat doesn't make you fat, sugar makes you fat. So full fat yogurt's the better option, there's not much difference if you eat either or, it's good as long as you hit your daily macros
I know it is the sugar and other Carbs that make me fat more so than eating Fats.
LMAO, what is more easily stored as fat, fat or carbs?
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Fuchsiagenii wrote: »YES, sugar is BAD for us.
And for those of you that do not know - ALL CARBOHYDRATES are converted into GLUCOSE by the body.
Regarding the composition of fruit - I am not a chemist and I too have read the web link that with regard to herrspoons comments "There are three dietery monosaccharides - glucose, fructose and galactose. Lactose, like maltose and sucrose, is a disaccharide."
What I was trying to put across is that eating a whole fruit, although it contains "sugar" has healthy benefits because of the vitamins, antioxidants and fibre that it contains. And drinking fruit juice is not the same as having a whole fruit.
With regard to the sugar content in the yogurts - I was advised by my dietician to go for the ones that contain 3% of sugar or less. Now 3% of any amount is 3% for those of you that do not know your maths. And of course, if you are counting your calorie intake the more you eat the more calories you will have eaten, but the percentage of sugar will still
be 3% of the total that you ate (the carbohydrate of which are sugars will be different).
There was an advert on UK TV last night, with regard to people cutting down on their intake of sugar! A programme a couple of nights ago on UK TV about the Tudors, showed how their health deteriorated because of eating - SUGAR! The sugar caused dreadful tooth decay and because of that, bacteria entered into the blood stream. Their dentistry was not as advanced as ours and they did not have pain killing relief nor any antibiotics. Any rotten teeth were pulled out with no sedation. Most of them had died because of blood poisoning due to getting the rotten teeth (and infections) which was an entry for bacteria from eating too much SUGAR!
Our modern diet consists of too much sugar and sugar in all sorts of products (hidden sugars).
There was also a programme not long ago on UK TV that talked about that sugar is far worse than fat.
Many years ago we were told that butter was no good for us, now we are told that it is better to eat butter than some of the margarines. We were told that fat was bad for us and now we are told there are good fats and bad fats. The good fats are those in fish, nuts, avocado pears and coconuts.
Eating everything in moderation is the key, but with people who have a glucose intolerance or have diabetes, it is even more important to control sugar intake whether this is from simple or complex carbs.
Eating a snickers bar everyday is fine as long as you are eating other healthy foods and are not glucose intolerant or a diabetic.
So frosted mini wheats are also good cause they contain vitamins and fiber, right?
Maybe instead of watching programmes you do some actual research on the subject?
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BOOM!GaleHawkins wrote: »Sugars bad if you're not burning it, & like Dr. Mark Hyman says, fat doesn't make you fat, sugar makes you fat. So full fat yogurt's the better option, there's not much difference if you eat either or, it's good as long as you hit your daily macros
I know it is the sugar and other Carbs that make me fat more so than eating Fats.
LMAO, what is more easily stored as fat, fat or carbs?
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herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I would say that there is plenty of room for argument that the body does not differentiate between sugar based on source.
Fine. Prove it. Show me how the body differentiates between, say, glucose sourced from a donut or an apple - not the digestive process, but the actual glucose molecules.
Well, my body differentiates glucose sourced from a donut vs glucose sourced from an apple.
When I see a donut, my saliva glands go nuts and start squirting all over the place.
When I see an apple, my saliva glands go "meh" unless I'm really really hungry.
I don't know why the conversation always focuses on the GI tract part of the digestion system. It's not as if people are saying that after eating a sweet and waiting several hours for the sugar to get into their blood stream, they are then overcome with a massive desire to eat more sweets.
eta: Sorry OP, the sugar monster has hijacked your thread.
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"Because, BEETUS" on page 2.
I seriously want to make Sugar thread bingo cards.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I would say that there is plenty of room for argument that the body does not differentiate between sugar based on source.
Fine. Prove it. Show me how the body differentiates between, say, glucose sourced from a donut or an apple - not the digestive process, but the actual glucose molecules.
I can't because no one removes the molecules and eats them alone. Prove to me that someone does this or I say it's a silly argument. 'This would never ever happen, but if it did, your body couldn't tell the difference.' Yeah, sound logic there.
I'll try and make this as simple as possible:
A woman eats a donut on Monday. It has sucrose in it. The same woman eats an apple on Tuesday. It has fructose and glucose in it.
Please explain to me how the body differentiates between the glucose and fructose sourced from the sucrose in the donut and the glucose and fructose sourced from the apple post digestion?
Please tell me how what happens post digestion is the only thing important in regards to diet? Does digestion not happen in the body? Does it not have an affect on the body?0 -
herrspoons wrote: »DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »I don't know why the conversation always focuses on the GI tract part of the digestion system.
Possibly because that's where the sugar, whether its refined or 'natural', is processed.
In addition, you don't differentiate between the sugar in the donut and the apple, you differentiate between the donut and the apple.
Any more red herrings or are we done?
Well, you keep looking at the trees, and I'll focus on the forest.
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DeirdreWoodwardSanders wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I would say that there is plenty of room for argument that the body does not differentiate between sugar based on source.
Fine. Prove it. Show me how the body differentiates between, say, glucose sourced from a donut or an apple - not the digestive process, but the actual glucose molecules.
Well, my body differentiates glucose sourced from a donut vs glucose sourced from an apple.
When I see a donut, my saliva glands go nuts and start squirting all over the place.
When I see an apple, my saliva glands go "meh" unless I'm really really hungry.
I don't know why the conversation always focuses on the GI tract part of the digestion system. It's not as if people are saying that after eating a sweet and waiting several hours for the sugar to get into their blood stream, they are then overcome with a massive desire to eat more sweets.
eta: Sorry OP, the sugar monster has hijacked your thread.
What happens in the GI tract also varies based on source, because the entire source is eaten at once. The argument usually is about what happens post GI tract, even when it starts with the GI tract.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
I would say that there is plenty of room for argument that the body does not differentiate between sugar based on source.
Fine. Prove it. Show me how the body differentiates between, say, glucose sourced from a donut or an apple - not the digestive process, but the actual glucose molecules.
I can't because no one removes the molecules and eats them alone. Prove to me that someone does this or I say it's a silly argument. 'This would never ever happen, but if it did, your body couldn't tell the difference.' Yeah, sound logic there.
I'll try and make this as simple as possible:
A woman eats a donut on Monday. It has sucrose in it. The same woman eats an apple on Tuesday. It has fructose and glucose in it.
Please explain to me how the body differentiates between the glucose and fructose sourced from the sucrose in the donut and the glucose and fructose sourced from the apple post digestion?
Please tell me how what happens post digestion is the only thing important in regards to diet? Does digestion not happen in the body? Does it not have an affect on the body?
You know what? I can't honestly be bothered arguing the same point over and over again. You either understand basic human physiology and organic chemistry or you don't.
So here's a picture of a kitten doing something cute.
Ahh, how cute. Both your lack of an answer and the kitty.
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and here we go again ..another sugar is the devil debate..
OP - unless you have a medical condition that makes you sensitive to sugar there is no reason to avoid it or view it as "bad"...0
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