Just ate a full container of grapes...
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I feel like there should be a thread about what topics tend to trigger debates like this, but I think that would end very poorly lol. Sorry to go off topic from your original post.
I agree. they should make a sticky that says "threads where people make baseless, false, scientifically indefensible claims will be called out by people that have research to back up, you know, actual facts and stuff. Spread inane BS at your own risk "0 -
How would one person be healthier than the other? What markers are we looking for?
IDK, but I'm pretty sure it's not 'overall happiness' Because I know person A is happier.0 -
KitkatcuteNYC wrote: »Those food are what makes people fat
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I enjoy all three. I enjoyed brownies and grapes today. I've also lost 27lbs.
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Why come this chart doesn't include the bad fats?0 -
emily_stew wrote: »Maybe because the name KitKat is memorable (mmm chocolate), but I seem to think this person pops up every few months or so, makes a bunch of posts like this, and then disappears again. Presumably to eat lbs of rice daily and then wonder after a few months why she's not lost weight, or something. But hey, it's the rest of us who eat ice cream that are doing it wrong!
Or maybe I'm thinking of another user. I miss the old forums where we could actually see a person's post history.
I live a beautiful healthy lean lifestyle and I can guarantee I am in a much better shape than you are. Stop focusing on people and work on yoself.-1 -
KitkatcuteNYC wrote: »That actually does not make no sense at all. So you are saying you can bunch of icecream and not have it affect you in any way?? Actually you can have as much fruits and vegetables and naturl grains you want ( and I'm talking lbs of fruit + vegetables + rice/starch a day ) and maintain and perhaps even lose weight on it. It's the meat, dairy, and excess oil, and unnecessary processed junk we put in our bodies that makes us fat!
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Why come this chart doesn't include the bad fats?
Edit: Had to clean it up a little bit0 -
KitkatcuteNYC wrote: »
I live a beautiful healthy lean lifestyle and I can guarantee I am in a much better shape than you are. Stop focusing on people and work on yoself.
Hmm. Well Emily has a picture of her beautiful self and you have a picture of some model sooooo you'll have to excuse me if I don't take your word for it.0 -
CaoimheMariexo wrote: »500g of grapes lol.
Thanks! I dont regret it, just went over my calorie intake because of it lol
Been there! 500g of grapes is a bit over 300 cals. All things considered, for that weight and volume, you could have binged on a pile of cake, cookies or chocolate bars, and consumed double or triple or even more calories. Log it, and move on. You'll survive!
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Pizza is a fairly balanced food actually, with fats, protein, and carbs all having the potential to be eaten in amounts that fit your needs. Thin crust, full fat cheese, chicken, spinach, banana peppers, and tomatoes is my go to.
Nothing bad about that. More nutrition than a bunch of grapes.
Now I'm hungry!
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christinev297 wrote: »
I agree with you to a point..
Person (A) could lose weight eating 1200 calories of nothing but cake, chocolate and icecream. Person (B) could also lose weight eating 1200 calories of fruit veggies and all the other healthy stuff. It's the calories that matter for losing weight. However imo person B would be healthier than person A
From a medical stand-point, hell yeah. None of us who follow moderation/IIFYM diets are person A though, which is what most people tend to assume when they hear "you can eat junk and lose weight" haha.
For another example, let's change your scenario around:
Person (C) could lose weight eating 1200 calories of nothing but bananas and apples. Person (D) Could lose weight eating 1200 calories of fruits, veggies, poultry, etc (typical "clean" type diet) and regularly-consumed low-nutritious food (typical "junk" food). In this case person D is healthier because person C is not getting any nutritional variety.
So overall health really is about eating a variety of foods, whether you choose to eat primarily "clean" type of diet or more of an IIFYM style of diet, it doesn't matter. Either one provides dietary variety to the point where you'd get your needed nutrition, and no one will gain weight on any of these diets. Both person A and C are lacking important sources of nutrition, and if both hypothetical people ate 4000 calories of just these foods they'd also still be unhealthy AND gain weight because CICO!1 -
Right? I went out and bought garlic naan and a nice mozza, made some pizza sauce, and I'm slow cooking for chicken breast in chipotle honey sauce to make some 'pizza' tomorrow. Got red peppers, banana peppers, and spinach on deck too.
Such bad food. Already dead. If only I was #LeanandhealthylikeKitKat0 -
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KitkatcuteNYC wrote: »
I live a beautiful healthy lean lifestyle and I can guarantee I am in a much better shape than you are. Stop focusing on people and work on yoself.
i think this is something you'll have to prove. we've seen emily and she looks great. kindly post pics of yourself so that we can impartially judge them. if you're not going to post your real pics, then perhaps you can stop being a jerk by attempting to call out other people that are brave enough to be their real selves?0 -
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Been there! 500g of grapes is a bit over 300 cals. All things considered, for that weight and volume, you could have binged on a pile of cake, cookies or chocolate bars, and consumed double or triple or even more calories. Log it, and move on. You'll survive!
Exactly!! she totally wasted those extra calories on grapes when she could have been having cake! glad you agree with me!0 -
I assume that by "healthy stuff" Christine just means a typical "clean/healthy" diet of "whole foods" etc. So yeah, person B would be better off physically with regards to general health because they are getting a much better variety of macros and micros. Basing your entire diet on only cake, chocolate, and ice cream would probably not yield the most well-balanced diet, and probably wouldn't allow one to get in enough of certain required nutrients.
How would one person be healthier than the other? What markers are we looking for?
But eaten in moderation, just like all food should be whether it's "good" or "bad" food? Then you will still be healthy eating things person A eats. Totally about considering entire dietary context and not just the individual items, so if your entire context is cake that's really... not a lot of nutrition haha.
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From a medical stand-point, hell yeah. None of us who follow moderation/IIFYM diets are person A though, which is what most people tend to assume when they hear "you can eat junk and lose weight" haha.
For another example, let's change your scenario around:
Person (C) could lose weight eating 1200 calories of nothing but bananas and apples. Person (D) Could lose weight eating 1200 calories of fruits, veggies, poultry, etc (typical "clean" type diet) and regularly-consumed low-nutritious food (typical "junk" food). In this case person D is healthier because person C is not getting any nutritional variety.
So overall health really is about eating a variety of foods, whether you choose to eat primarily "clean" type of diet or more of an IIFYM style of diet, it doesn't matter. Either one provides dietary variety to the point where you'd get your needed nutrition, and no one will gain weight on any of these diets. Both person A and C are lacking important sources of nutrition, and if both hypothetical people ate 4000 calories of just these foods they'd also still be unhealthy AND gain weight because CICO!
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I'd rather eat a balance of foods, none of which are demonized as "bad", enjoying what I like and remain in a calorie deficit.
I'm off to get pizza and cake.
What he said...
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Right? I went out and bought garlic naan and a nice mozza, made some pizza sauce, and I'm slow cooking for chicken breast in chipotle honey sauce to make some 'pizza' tomorrow. Got red peppers, banana peppers, and spinach on deck too.
Such bad food. Already dead. If only I was #LeanandhealthylikeKitKat
Sounds great! I'll turn that 500g of grapes into a nice bottle of wine, and see you there!
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Hahaha. That's awesome.
I think I'm gonna add it to my 'Koolaid' image folder. I feel like it had potential.0 -
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I assume that by "healthy stuff" Christine just means a typical "clean/healthy" diet of "whole foods" etc. So yeah, person B would be better off physically with regards to general health because they are getting a much better variety of macros and micros. Basing your entire diet on only cake, chocolate, and ice cream would probably not yield the most well-balanced diet, and probably wouldn't allow one to get in enough of certain required nutrients.
But eaten in moderation, just like all food should be whether it's "good" or "bad" food? Then you will still be healthy eating things person A eats. Totally about considering entire dietary context and not just the individual items, so if your entire context is cake that's really... not a lot of nutrition haha.
that's giving the benefit of doubt that "all the healthy stuff" contains.....whatever it is the reader hopes it contains. she specifically named fruits and veg so for all i know the only other thing she includes in all the healthy stuff is water with stevia. you can assume she means a totally balanced diet but i'm betting money that she's talking about an iron deficient diet that has barely any protein at all.
but either way, if both person A and person B both lost 50 pounds, i'm betting that all the standard health markers that get tested will have improved an equal amount.0 -
I assume that by "healthy stuff" Christine just means a typical "clean/healthy" diet of "whole foods" etc. So yeah, person B would be better off physically with regards to general health because they are getting a much better variety of macros and micros. Basing your entire diet on only cake, chocolate, and ice cream would probably not yield the most well-balanced diet, and probably wouldn't allow one to get in enough of certain required nutrients.
But eaten in moderation, just like all food should be whether it's "good" or "bad" food? Then you will still be healthy eating things person A eats. Totally about considering entire dietary context and not just the individual items, so if your entire context is cake that's really... not a lot of nutrition haha.
Yes that's exactly what I meant. You have the patience to explain further and in more detail than me
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which medical standpoint?
Blood work. Because no one is going to attain the required nutrients eating solely cookies. Neither will they attain required nutrients eating solely bananas.0 -
Blood work. Because no one is going to attain the required nutrients eating solely cookies. Neither will they attain required nutrients eating solely bananas.
so....then they'll be equally unhealthy?
have you seen this tested and found marked difference in the bloodwork of a person A vs person B or are we just supposing?0
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