Guys, stop with the orthorexia already!
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Well, and the thing is that people get a lot of false information from those they think are "experts" and then they won't listen to reason. I had a friend at work tell me and another coworker that she needed to get rid of all this oatmeal she had stashed in her cupboard that she brought to work in case she got hungry or didn't have time to make breakfast. She said she was getting rid of it because her personal trainer told her that she should never have oatmeal at breakfast unless she was going to go out running. I was like what the heck? I didn't say anything to her, but I'm sure I gave her a wtf look, lol. Comments like that from her trainer just fuel all this misinformation, and it's worse coming from them because some people take things they say as hard and fast rules.0
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Oh, oh, the sugar free gummy bears. Comedy gold. If you haven't read the reviews on Amazon, I highly recommend it. Fair warning, any drinks may be spewed onto your monitor lol! XD On the other hand, if you *need* a laxative... well.... I'll stop spoiling the reviews now. Buwahahahahahaha!!!0
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benjaminhkohl wrote: »I am definitely sick of everything getting slapped with "gluten free" labels now. Very few people have a gluten intolerance anyway. But I can't help but laugh when I see a carbonated energy drink labeled "gluten free". It's basically just the "low fat!" / "no carbs!" of this decade.
Here's a particular Gluten Free labeling bash....
Statistically 1% of the UK population (approximately 650,000 people) have Coeliacs or wheat allergies; upto 6% of the British population (approximately 3.9 million people) have Non-Coeliac Gluten Sensitivity....
I'd say that's pretty darn high considering the overall population of the UK is estimated to be 65 million people....!!
As I said, I for one of MANY people am very grateful to the UK Food Standards Agency for enforcing the strict labeling of our foods, it helps to save my cousin's life (she has a serious nut allergy); it makes my step dad's & an uncle's life a lot easier (they are diabetic); it helps me and my Aunty maintain our dignity as we're both Coeliac....!!
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someone posting about their cigars or their IPAs or their favorite college team.
I don't think anyone said the food people were uniquely annoying. Pretty sure I said the opposite, in fact.
There are other tedious topics that I hear people talk about in the context of the food or dietary restriction speeches, but cigars aren't one of them IME, thank goodness. And college teams would get pushback in a way that the food stuff usually doesn't, since social norms are that it's expected to challenge that kind of thing (or even IPA preferences, although beer pedants can be tedious, granted).0 -
Aaah, I see what you're saying, but I agree with the sentiment of the post. They're not bashing gluten free labels in general, but rather those that are clearly unnecessary and only printed in order to tie into the fad. Like gluten free steak. Or gluten free milk.The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »benjaminhkohl wrote: »I am definitely sick of everything getting slapped with "gluten free" labels now. Very few people have a gluten intolerance anyway. But I can't help but laugh when I see a carbonated energy drink labeled "gluten free". It's basically just the "low fat!" / "no carbs!" of this decade.
Here's a particular Gluten Free labeling bash....
Statistically 1% of the UK population (approximately 650,000 people) have Coeliacs or wheat allergies; upto 6% of the British population (approximately 3.9 million people) have Non-Coeliac Gluten Sensitivity....
I'd say that's pretty darn high considering the overall population of the UK is estimated to be 65 million people....!!
As I said, I for one of MANY people am very grateful to the UK Food Standards Agency for enforcing the strict labeling of our foods, it helps to save my cousin's life (she has a serious nut allergy); it makes my step dad's & an uncle's life a lot easier (they are diabetic); it helps me and my Aunty maintain our dignity as we're both Coeliac....!!
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The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »I do find it quite frustrating that a lot of the comments on here are bashing "Gluten Free" labeling - I am glad when things are labeled gluten free, because it saves me a lot of pain and embarrassingly messing myself in public as I am a Coeliac sufferer and I HAVE NO CHOICE but to eat gluten free....
Yes the pre-made gluten free stuff is usually lower in protein and higher in fat - but what choice does a Coeliac like myself have - other than the orthorexic "cleaning eating" that this thread is also bashing....!?!
Do you people really think I and all the other Coeliac sufferers choose to pay over the odds for shoddy alternatives to the real things like bread, pasta, protein bars and other packeted foods that us non clean eating people like to enjoy from time to time....!?!
You lot should try living with Coeliac Disease, see what it's like being blighted by agonising stomach pains from eating what you thought was "Gluten Free" or accidentally messing yourself in public, because the owner of the cafe said "Oh yes love, those are definitely gluten free" when in reality the person you asked couldn't even spell GLUTEN - never mind even have clue what the hell gluten actually was....!!
Next you people will be saying labeling food as "Sugar Free" or "May Contain Nuts" is orthorexic.... I mean heaven forbid we save some poor nut allergy suffers life, or worse still - we stop a diabetic having a hypo....!!
I can relate to you somewhat, having a son who has nut and egg allergies. Entrusting his health to the ditzy waitress who may or may not have actually checked to ensure that the pizza crust was egg-free is not a great strategy unless I want to risk injecting him with epinephrine to keep his throat from closing up - therefore, we can only really trust franchises with declared allergens on the menu or readily available.
I think thoroughly labeling foods is a great thing for society, the more details the better, even when it is blatantly obvious that some products do contain a certain allergen (a can of nuts contains nuts, the contents of an egg carton contains egg allergens, etc).0 -
SnuggleSmacks wrote: »
Aaah, I see what you're saying, but I agree with the sentiment of the post. They're not bashing gluten free labels in general, but rather those that are clearly unnecessary and only printed in order to tie into the fad. Like gluten free steak. Or gluten free milk.The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »benjaminhkohl wrote: »I am definitely sick of everything getting slapped with "gluten free" labels now. Very few people have a gluten intolerance anyway. But I can't help but laugh when I see a carbonated energy drink labeled "gluten free". It's basically just the "low fat!" / "no carbs!" of this decade.
Here's a particular Gluten Free labeling bash....
Statistically 1% of the UK population (approximately 650,000 people) have Coeliacs or wheat allergies; upto 6% of the British population (approximately 3.9 million people) have Non-Coeliac Gluten Sensitivity....
I'd say that's pretty darn high considering the overall population of the UK is estimated to be 65 million people....!!
As I said, I for one of MANY people am very grateful to the UK Food Standards Agency for enforcing the strict labeling of our foods, it helps to save my cousin's life (she has a serious nut allergy); it makes my step dad's & an uncle's life a lot easier (they are diabetic); it helps me and my Aunty maintain our dignity as we're both Coeliac....!!
Right--it's like pasta being labeled "fat free" which was a thing in the 80s and 90s, if memory serves. I actually do think that with gluten there's more of a risk of it being in products that you wouldn't expect (like the "gluten free" frozen yogurt place that just opened near me probably has a point since I guess you can't assume frozen yogurt is, as I would have--although I mocked that place in some other thread here because it's also all about being vegan and non GMO and every other thing that's trendy in my neighborhood).
I am happy for celiacs that the trendiness of being anti gluten has resulted in lots more products that are gluten free, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an obvious trendy thing that the market is responding to. I don't think they are just being caring about celiac disease.0 -
My skin flares up if I eat too much gluten. So I avoid it. I don't go out of my way to follow it, I don't force anyone else to go out of their way to help me either.
I'm not being awkward by opting for gluten free pasta I just prefer my face when it's not covered in spots. People give me so much *kitten* for it, and this post is literally the same. Uggghh
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Vegan yogurt? Ew.lemurcat12 wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »
Aaah, I see what you're saying, but I agree with the sentiment of the post. They're not bashing gluten free labels in general, but rather those that are clearly unnecessary and only printed in order to tie into the fad. Like gluten free steak. Or gluten free milk.The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »benjaminhkohl wrote: »I am definitely sick of everything getting slapped with "gluten free" labels now. Very few people have a gluten intolerance anyway. But I can't help but laugh when I see a carbonated energy drink labeled "gluten free". It's basically just the "low fat!" / "no carbs!" of this decade.
Here's a particular Gluten Free labeling bash....
Statistically 1% of the UK population (approximately 650,000 people) have Coeliacs or wheat allergies; upto 6% of the British population (approximately 3.9 million people) have Non-Coeliac Gluten Sensitivity....
I'd say that's pretty darn high considering the overall population of the UK is estimated to be 65 million people....!!
As I said, I for one of MANY people am very grateful to the UK Food Standards Agency for enforcing the strict labeling of our foods, it helps to save my cousin's life (she has a serious nut allergy); it makes my step dad's & an uncle's life a lot easier (they are diabetic); it helps me and my Aunty maintain our dignity as we're both Coeliac....!!
Right--it's like pasta being labeled "fat free" which was a thing in the 80s and 90s, if memory serves. I actually do think that with gluten there's more of a risk of it being in products that you wouldn't expect (like the "gluten free" frozen yogurt place that just opened near me probably has a point since I guess you can't assume frozen yogurt is, as I would have--although I mocked that place in some other thread here because it's also all about being vegan and non GMO and every other thing that's trendy in my neighborhood).
I am happy for celiacs that the trendiness of being anti gluten has resulted in lots more products that are gluten free, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an obvious trendy thing that the market is responding to. I don't think they are just being caring about celiac disease.
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My skin flares up if I eat too much gluten. So I avoid it. I don't go out of my way to follow it, I don't force anyone else to go out of their way to help me either.
I'm not being awkward by opting for gluten free pasta I just prefer my face when it's not covered in spots. People give me so much *kitten* for it, and this post is literally the same. Uggghh
Do you mean like rosecea? My skin gets really red and hot after I eat certain foods.
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My skin flares up if I eat too much gluten. So I avoid it. I don't go out of my way to follow it, I don't force anyone else to go out of their way to help me either.
I'm not being awkward by opting for gluten free pasta I just prefer my face when it's not covered in spots. People give me so much *kitten* for it, and this post is literally the same. Uggghh
Do you mean like rosecea? My skin gets really red and hot after I eat certain foods.
Nooo like if I had a lot of gluten one day the next couple of days my face will be in full on teen pimple breakout mode! I'm 25 definitely should be over that ha doctors have said it's just an intolerance but I daren't say that I'm intolerant to gluten on here hahaha0 -
Why not? Sounds like you have an actual physical issue, which is nothing like the people this thread refers to.0
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JoanaMHill wrote: »The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »
Next you people will be saying labeling food as "Sugar Free" or "May Contain Nuts" is orthorexic.... I mean heaven forbid we save some poor nut allergy suffers life, or worse still - we stop a diabetic having a hypo....!!
Sugar-free gummy bears should have never been invented and I'd like to look into the mind of the person who needs "may contain nuts" on their huge canister of mixed nuts.
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Well I choose to not explain it to people so if I ever mention gluten free I get the tuts and the eye rolling. I think even if I explained id still get the same response!0
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My skin flares up if I eat too much gluten. So I avoid it. I don't go out of my way to follow it, I don't force anyone else to go out of their way to help me either.
I'm not being awkward by opting for gluten free pasta I just prefer my face when it's not covered in spots. People give me so much *kitten* for it, and this post is literally the same. Uggghh
Do you mean like rosecea? My skin gets really red and hot after I eat certain foods.
Nooo like if I had a lot of gluten one day the next couple of days my face will be in full on teen pimple breakout mode! I'm 25 definitely should be over that ha doctors have said it's just an intolerance but I daren't say that I'm intolerant to gluten on here hahaha
Probably not actual zits but simply a hive-like reaction that looks like zits.
(sorry, had severe acne for 1-2 years, acne discussions get me annoyed lol).0 -
Agreed. I also eat GF because for me it causes gastrointestinal issues that are problematic enough to interfere with my daily life. I don't say I'm Celiac but I will say that I am sensitive or intolerant and that it causes a negative physical reaction if I am asked about it. But I don't actually go around wearing a badge about it or something, so no one really cares.SnuggleSmacks wrote: »Why not? Sounds like you have an actual physical issue, which is nothing like the people this thread refers to.
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No no definitely spots! I've had terrible skin since forever but someone suggested I try giving up different foods to see if it was a food intolerance instead of hormones. Still battling scars and gluten-free haters haha0
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JoanaMHill wrote: »The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »
Next you people will be saying labeling food as "Sugar Free" or "May Contain Nuts" is orthorexic.... I mean heaven forbid we save some poor nut allergy suffers life, or worse still - we stop a diabetic having a hypo....!!
Sugar-free gummy bears should have never been invented and I'd like to look into the mind of the person who needs "may contain nuts" on their huge canister of mixed nuts.
Tim Tams are totally worth it.
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stevencloser wrote: »
Vegan yogurt? Ew.lemurcat12 wrote: »SnuggleSmacks wrote: »
Aaah, I see what you're saying, but I agree with the sentiment of the post. They're not bashing gluten free labels in general, but rather those that are clearly unnecessary and only printed in order to tie into the fad. Like gluten free steak. Or gluten free milk.The_Fitness_Foodie wrote: »benjaminhkohl wrote: »I am definitely sick of everything getting slapped with "gluten free" labels now. Very few people have a gluten intolerance anyway. But I can't help but laugh when I see a carbonated energy drink labeled "gluten free". It's basically just the "low fat!" / "no carbs!" of this decade.
Here's a particular Gluten Free labeling bash....
Statistically 1% of the UK population (approximately 650,000 people) have Coeliacs or wheat allergies; upto 6% of the British population (approximately 3.9 million people) have Non-Coeliac Gluten Sensitivity....
I'd say that's pretty darn high considering the overall population of the UK is estimated to be 65 million people....!!
As I said, I for one of MANY people am very grateful to the UK Food Standards Agency for enforcing the strict labeling of our foods, it helps to save my cousin's life (she has a serious nut allergy); it makes my step dad's & an uncle's life a lot easier (they are diabetic); it helps me and my Aunty maintain our dignity as we're both Coeliac....!!
Right--it's like pasta being labeled "fat free" which was a thing in the 80s and 90s, if memory serves. I actually do think that with gluten there's more of a risk of it being in products that you wouldn't expect (like the "gluten free" frozen yogurt place that just opened near me probably has a point since I guess you can't assume frozen yogurt is, as I would have--although I mocked that place in some other thread here because it's also all about being vegan and non GMO and every other thing that's trendy in my neighborhood).
I am happy for celiacs that the trendiness of being anti gluten has resulted in lots more products that are gluten free, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an obvious trendy thing that the market is responding to. I don't think they are just being caring about celiac disease.
Apparently made of coconut milk.
It was incredibly confusing when it first opened, since it was not clear that some products were vegan and some were gluten free--it looked like everything was all of the above, which is apparently not the case.0 -
I think thoroughly labeling foods is a great thing for society, the more details the better...
I'm not so sure about that. Don't get me wrong - I completely oppose anything that limits labeling opportunities - I just don't think it makes a pigeon ****s worth of difference in the health outcomes of the vast majority of people.
Without understanding the mechanisms, the labels are just more numbers that don't really illuminate anything.
At least in North America, we've turned into a culture of gluttons where it's not socially acceptable to tell even family members or close friends "You're eating too damn much".
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I'm usually on the more information is always good or at least can't hurt train, but one example that supports the contrary are all the weird and completely confusing labels like "organic" and "natural" and "vegetarian" and "cage free" and so on, of which the eggs are the worst. My understanding is that with the exception of "organic" (which I'm cynical about for other reasons) the rest mean basically nothing and can be completely misleading (and of course chickens allowed to eat like chickens do would not be vegetarian, as they'd be eating bugs).0
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I think thoroughly labeling foods is a great thing for society, the more details the better...
I'm not so sure about that. Don't get me wrong - I completely oppose anything that limits labeling opportunities - I just don't think it makes a pigeon ****s worth of difference in the health outcomes of the vast majority of people.
Without understanding the mechanisms, the labels are just more numbers that don't really illuminate anything.
At least in North America, we've turned into a culture of gluttons where it's not socially acceptable to tell even family members or close friends "You're eating too damn much".
The only way to increase the nutritional literacy in this country is to have that information available when the time is right for people- I think things are trending toward enlightenment, albeit slowly at times0 -
I think thoroughly labeling foods is a great thing for society, the more details the better...
I'm not so sure about that. Don't get me wrong - I completely oppose anything that limits labeling opportunities - I just don't think it makes a pigeon ****s worth of difference in the health outcomes of the vast majority of people.
Without understanding the mechanisms, the labels are just more numbers that don't really illuminate anything.
At least in North America, we've turned into a culture of gluttons where it's not socially acceptable to tell even family members or close friends "You're eating too damn much".
The only way to increase the nutritional literacy in this country is to have that information available when the time is right for people- I think things are trending toward enlightenment, albeit slowly at times
The point is I was trying to get to is that trying to increase nutritional literacy is the wrong approach - if that's the path we're going to take, we've already failed.
The answer lies elsewhere.0 -
Truth, it's a pogue desire to purchase the elevated coolness of buying from something "special". It's the same reason why Apple does so well.neanderthin wrote: »
Urban stands....... city folk are easy marks, and I bet it all looked pretty too.ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I bet they're made of quinoa and spelt! lol. too funny.
What I like about the fetishization of farming, farm to table, agricoles, etc. is that there is now a huge population of fakers and takers that are making a ton of money from the naive. You see that a lot from craft Bourbon distillers now too. (Most sell the same Indiana factory bourbon as the others.)
What this means though, is that soon people will become educated enough that the shills are going to get weeded out, and there will be a minimal population of them selling their Doris the Exploer, and Poomas.
As for farms... we went to this farm once, in MA. Great little farm stand, strangely, the fields were fenced off, and the ones I could see were fallow. There was a huge bounty in the store. One day on my way to work I saw a truck pull up to make a produce delivery.
Sweeet.
A few months ago there was a new produce stand in town and everyone was raving about how great the "fresh, local, farmer's market veggies" were. So I went out there to see what all the fuss was about-- there were produce stickers on 90% of the merchandise. :indifferent:
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That's been my challenge as of late. When kin exposes the fact that they're racist... I dunno, not sure what to do. I really want to tell them what's up, but then I'm pissing in the familial soup pot.herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »
I would normally agree with you but I have crazy family that live to start drama over nothing and it just isn't worth it to me to have to deal with them over something as small as Facebook. I reserve that for the big stuff.
Fair point.
Conflicted, which is hilarious, I'm never conflicted about what I decide to say to people.
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But that label information is good for the people who do care to have. For some, because to eat the wrong food could kill them. For others, they just may be sensitive to certain ingredients or have decided not to eat them for other reasons. It does help them.I think thoroughly labeling foods is a great thing for society, the more details the better...
I'm not so sure about that. Don't get me wrong - I completely oppose anything that limits labeling opportunities - I just don't think it makes a pigeon ****s worth of difference in the health outcomes of the vast majority of people.
Without understanding the mechanisms, the labels are just more numbers that don't really illuminate anything.
At least in North America, we've turned into a culture of gluttons where it's not socially acceptable to tell even family members or close friends "You're eating too damn much".
The only way to increase the nutritional literacy in this country is to have that information available when the time is right for people- I think things are trending toward enlightenment, albeit slowly at times
The point is I was trying to get to is that trying to increase nutritional literacy is the wrong approach - if that's the path we're going to take, we've already failed.
The answer lies elsewhere.
You can't help people who refuse to help themselves. If people don't take personal responsibility, nothing society does can help them. I agree, cultural issues are part of the problem. But the culture only changes as the individuals in it do. Culture may be part of the explanation, but it is not an excuse.
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »
But that label information is good for the people who do care to have.I think thoroughly labeling foods is a great thing for society, the more details the better...
I'm not so sure about that. Don't get me wrong - I completely oppose anything that limits labeling opportunities - I just don't think it makes a pigeon ****s worth of difference in the health outcomes of the vast majority of people.
Without understanding the mechanisms, the labels are just more numbers that don't really illuminate anything.
At least in North America, we've turned into a culture of gluttons where it's not socially acceptable to tell even family members or close friends "You're eating too damn much".
The only way to increase the nutritional literacy in this country is to have that information available when the time is right for people- I think things are trending toward enlightenment, albeit slowly at times
The point is I was trying to get to is that trying to increase nutritional literacy is the wrong approach - if that's the path we're going to take, we've already failed.
The answer lies elsewhere.
Of course. That's why I said I would oppose any legislation that put limits on (honest) labelling.You can't help people who refuse to help themselves.
That's just a terribly dismissive/elitist way of looking at the problem, and at people, IMO.
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I think everyone needs to find what works for them. And how strict you follow it depends on your goals. You can be serious about what you put in your body without it being an eating disoder0
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Not at all. It's the truth. When I was at my heaviest, and in the process of getting there, I really had nobody to blame but myself. There were plenty of "excuses" if I wanted them...I was working crazy hours, tired, ate takeout at work every night, etc...but some...no, MOST... of my coworkers had exactly the same schedule and made better lifestyle choices. Healthier takeout choices for dinner, didn't eat too much of the food and candy people brought to the office, and went to the gym almost every day. I am an educated person. It's not like I didn't know that eating too much and not moving enough is a recipe for obesity. It's really not that complicated.MoiAussi93 wrote: »
But that label information is good for the people who do care to have.I think thoroughly labeling foods is a great thing for society, the more details the better...
I'm not so sure about that. Don't get me wrong - I completely oppose anything that limits labeling opportunities - I just don't think it makes a pigeon ****s worth of difference in the health outcomes of the vast majority of people.
Without understanding the mechanisms, the labels are just more numbers that don't really illuminate anything.
At least in North America, we've turned into a culture of gluttons where it's not socially acceptable to tell even family members or close friends "You're eating too damn much".
The only way to increase the nutritional literacy in this country is to have that information available when the time is right for people- I think things are trending toward enlightenment, albeit slowly at times
The point is I was trying to get to is that trying to increase nutritional literacy is the wrong approach - if that's the path we're going to take, we've already failed.
The answer lies elsewhere.
Of course. That's why I said I would oppose any legislation that put limits on (honest) labelling.You can't help people who refuse to help themselves.
That's just a terribly dismissive/elitist way of looking at the problem, and at people, IMO.
But until I made up my mind to change my habits, nothing in the world could have helped me. It's really that simple.
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I get bombarded by people selling Plexus on FB and touting it's many benefits for weight loss etc. Yet many of them are overweight or obese!!! Not really a good advertisement for their "amazing" weight loss product....0
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