Can you really eat a burger?

Certainly you can eat anything you want as long as it fits within your daily allowance. If I'm making burgers at home I will either get a whole wheat bun and only have half or use a sandwich slender to cut the calories a bit. Mustard, pickles, onions, tomatoes, and lettuce don't add a lot of calories and there are lower calorie cheeses as well. If you are eating out, you may have to watch the other things you are eating so you don't go over but it's certainly something you can have if you enjoy it.

JPW1990 wrote: »

Emilia777 wrote: »

JPW1990 wrote: »

Emilia777 wrote: »

trixieloo wrote: »

Here's what I've gotten so far, I think. Tell me if I've missed something:

1. The definition of the word "burger" is sacred
2. Hamburgers have calories
3. If you haven't burned off your breakfast before you eat lunch you'll get fat
4. Food has chemicals
5. 12 pages is my limit

I’d add that

6. Bacon burgers > burgers.
7. 2 patties > 1 patty

But that could be just me. I wholly approve of ceoverturf’s post.

Is that bacon on the burger or bacon in the burger?

I guess I meant on the burger. I usually literally skip the cheese and add bacon. But now that you mention it, bacon everywhere would be great.

If you haven't tried it before, get thee to a food processor.

Ok, burgers are being made this weekend. I am so excited! Thanks for the tip

Yes! But it turns into a downward spiral of bad eating so I gotta keep all that outta my system so I don't want want it.

auddii wrote: »

ceoverturf wrote: »

This thread needs less drama and MORE BURGERS!

Ok, what is between the bacon and the top bun?

Also, Twisted Root is awesome!!! Went there for my birthday last year because I was up visiting my brother for my birthday. I need to go visit my brother more...

Yes you do! The Dallas burger scene is amazing. The whole Dallas food scene is amazing. I'm constantly wishing I had more calories, time, and money to spend on eating out here...

Goodfriend is another one of my favorites:

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maillemaker wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure you suddenly went on the bike for 30 min so I will watch the video.

I did indeed. I rode the bike from 5:04 until 5:34. Even went and fished out 2 AAA batteries to try to make the readout work since it was dead, but the replacements were dead, too, so no calorie readout.

Anyway, I kept up my end of the bargain, are you going to keep up yours?

So you're saying your desire for me to watch the video is stronger than your desire to exercise. Just sad.

I tend to be most interested in doing things that result in immediate gain. Is that sad? Maybe.

Now. You gonna keep up your end of the bargain?

You preach science to tell people they are destined to fail.

I preach the fact, which you have refused to refute, by the way, that most people who try to lose weight fail. And there is a reason why they fail, and science is slowly but surely revealing it. And using the results of that science, we can take steps to stop failure.

But, so long as people like yourself can't even be bothered to look at the science, hey, what can I do but keep on preachin'?

Are those appetite suppressants doctor prescribed? Do you really expect a doctor to prescribe them when you reach maintenance?

Yes, both phentermine and topomax require a doctor's prescription. I do not know how the doctor will work with me once I reach maintenance. We will have to see if weight goes up after coming off the drugs.

But once is not a habit. Did you seriously just agree that taking speed to lose weight is worse for you than being fat... and then stated you plan on doing it long-term anyway?

I guess we have different definitions of "long term". I don't see a year as long term. My mother-in-law was on it for a year. I would like to use the appetite suppressant to get down to 200 pounds. At 2 pounds a week, that would optimistically be about 8 months to lose 70 pounds.

Then we see which theory wins. 8 months of new eating habits or hunger response from depleted fat stores.

I get that it's hard to lose weight. I get that it's hard to create new habits without lots of support and help along the way.

What I don't understand is apparently you not taking your weight-loss seriously enough to change your mentality towards exercise and food intake. Everyone gets hungry. It's normal. It's natural. You can make better choices where you can have your volume without piling on the calories.

You don't need strenuous exercise to lose weight. Walking is the best gateway drug to futher your habits of moving more.

I'm sorry you wish to rely on such a small study. It may say that most people are doomed, but I think that is all about habits. Habits can change. Mentality can change. I think at least trying to do it without taking appetite suppressants helps you learn what is normal, because when those are gone, what then? You won't be able to handle binge-triggers, or parties with lots of food. You won't know what is a real hunger cue, or a satiated cue.

I just think you're only viewing things in the super short-term. I get there's many people who need immediate satisfaction for their efforts, but this only screams to me that you'll be yo-yoing the rest of your life because you believe you can never achieve what I've acheived on your own.

maillemaker wrote: »

Yeah I'm sure you suddenly went on the bike for 30 min so I will watch the video.

I did indeed. I rode the bike from 5:04 until 5:34. Even went and fished out 2 AAA batteries to try to make the readout work since it was dead, but the replacements were dead, too, so no calorie readout.

Anyway, I kept up my end of the bargain, are you going to keep up yours?

So you're saying your desire for me to watch the video is stronger than your desire to exercise. Just sad.

I tend to be most interested in doing things that result in immediate gain. Is that sad? Maybe.

Now. You gonna keep up your end of the bargain?

You preach science to tell people they are destined to fail.

I preach the fact, which you have refused to refute, by the way, that most people who try to lose weight fail. And there is a reason why they fail, and science is slowly but surely revealing it. And using the results of that science, we can take steps to stop failure.

But, so long as people like yourself can't even be bothered to look at the science, hey, what can I do but keep on preachin'?

Are those appetite suppressants doctor prescribed? Do you really expect a doctor to prescribe them when you reach maintenance?

Yes, both phentermine and topomax require a doctor's prescription. I do not know how the doctor will work with me once I reach maintenance. We will have to see if weight goes up after coming off the drugs.

But once is not a habit. Did you seriously just agree that taking speed to lose weight is worse for you than being fat... and then stated you plan on doing it long-term anyway?

I guess we have different definitions of "long term". I don't see a year as long term. My mother-in-law was on it for a year. I would like to use the appetite suppressant to get down to 200 pounds. At 2 pounds a week, that would optimistically be about 8 months to lose 70 pounds.

Then we see which theory wins. 8 months of new eating habits or hunger response from depleted fat stores.

I notice that no part of this plan includes, "learn how to deal with hunger." You carry on like a pork chop about hunger this and hunger that and how hunger ruins everything, yet you make no effort whatsoever to figure out how to deal with what you claim is the biggest obstacle. In fact it is purposely designed around the avoidance of learning that.

It's pretty obvious what the result is going to be.

MrM27 wrote: »

maillemaker wrote: »

The fact that you went and rode the bike to try and get me to watch a video solidifies what many have been saying all along, you're lazy.

Yup, I'm lazy.

But the fact that you said you'd do something and then didn't do it solidifies what I've thought about you all along:

You're a liar.

Tell me what had you thinking I was a liar all along? What exactly have I said that you felt was a lie? Other than not watching the video, tell me what I have lied about?

I think both of you need a burger

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Emilia777 wrote: »

MrCoolGrim wrote: »

MrM27 wrote: »

maillemaker wrote: »

The fact that you went and rode the bike to try and get me to watch a video solidifies what many have been saying all along, you're lazy.

Yup, I'm lazy.

But the fact that you said you'd do something and then didn't do it solidifies what I've thought about you all along:

You're a liar.

Tell me what had you thinking I was a liar all along? What exactly have I said that you felt was a lie? Other than not watching the video, tell me what I have lied about?

I think both of you need a burger

Definitely with bacon. Bacon was statistically shown to improve mood and help people find the motivation to reach their goals. (or not, but you never know)

Don't forget the cheese

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maillemaker wrote: »

I'll watch the video when you stop being lazy and go exercise.

Challenge accepted.

If you think I'm special then so are many of the others on this site that did it. @vismal‌ @CyberEd312‌, some in this thread and many many more must also be special then in your opinion. We are not special biological cases but you are correct that we have strong willpower, something you lack.

I do not dispute that you and others succeed at weight loss. Do you dispute that most people do not succeed at weight loss?

Actually you know what? I do. Yes in the long term the data (which I haven't studied closely) shows that most people do fail at weight loss. I don't know that there's been any studies done on MyFitnessPal style dieting, but I digress

The reason I disagree is that the issues you cite appear to be short term problems. I started dieting today and I'm hungry today therefore I can't keep this up for one year and lose weight. Those are short term issues that shouldn't prevent your weight loss but you're lumping it in the same category for people who might not be able to stay the course for two or five years

You're also stating this reason for lack of long term success as though it might apply to everyone. There could be any number of reasons - life circumstance, job loss, losing a loved one, moving to a less active area (like moving from downtown Manhattan to a small town where you drive everywhere), injury, etc etc. The leptin, hunger or cold wouldn't necessarily apply to everyone, I don't think

Herein lies my problem with jumping to a professional for help first thing. For all intents and purposes, you appear to be an adult of sound body and mind. Yep, you've got a problem. But have you tried simple and legitimate possible solutions that anyone could execute before taking the next step?

In your case, ever thought maybe the steep deficit could be causing your hunger and cold? Starvation mode is not a thing, but if you eat too little you may not be getting enough incoming nutrients needed by your body. It's not that much of a stretch really that some of your problems could be self inflicted due to your chosen deficit

YEP! you can indeed! eat away as long as its in moderation and fits your cals. I often save my cals up one weekend day to have a splurgey meal or some snacky treats with a movie etc. If it still fits your cals, then do it! i also save up 250 odd cals every single day for a dessert of some description.