Can you really eat a burger?
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We should all realize, he an outliner. None of the ways weight loss works applies to him.
I don't know why you would say this. The same ways of weight loss apply to everyone. Eat less than you burn.0 -
maillemaker wrote: »based on your posting history you appear to be an excuse machine as to why you cannot lose weight.
What you call an "excuse machine" I call showing the science behind why most weight loss attempts fail, so that people can understand why they are struggling and take steps to mitigate the issues that make it a struggle.Are you and BFdeal friends?
I have no idea.sure, post the links..
http://videocast.nih.gov/summary.asp?live=2993&bhcp=20
http://www.dana.org/Cerebrum/Default.aspx?id=39307
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(15)00009-1/abstract
You will have to register to read the article in the medical journal The Lancet but it is free to do so.
it all comes down to CICO my friend...
consume less than you are burning and you will lose weight. Unless of course your claim is that being obese puts you outside of the realm of math and physics that apply to all of this?
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I had a Burger King Whopper without cheese (about 650 calories) last weekend and I felt very unsatisfied and it provided little energy; I ended up going over my calorie goal for the day. Last night for dinner, I ate a decent sized sushi plate (700 calories) and was much more satisfied and it provided great energy for the rest of my evening. I'm not an expert by any means, but I am really learning that the calorie count is not all that matters. That burger was high in trans fat and sodium, which are both bad for losing weight.0
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Whoppers are great and if I get to pick which fast food burger to have, that's the one. But, generally, I don't stay full on fast food either. A homemade burger is a lot more satisfying and yummy and I can control how many extra calories in ketchup, etc. The sodium is controlled too...and I can pick a higher quality bun.0
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it all comes down to CICO my friend...
consume less than you are burning and you will lose weight.
Yes! Absolutely!Unless of course your claim is that being obese puts you outside of the realm of math and physics that apply to all of this?
Gah! No! Please, please when you have an hour, watch the video. It's pretty easy to follow in spite of the medical and genetic lingo.
All this this is saying is that when you have been obese for some period of time (and they are not clear on exactly how much time is required) if you lose body fat it triggers a loss of Leptin (among other unknown-at-this-time effects) that trigger defensive mechanisms to try and restore fat levels to their previous high levels. It does this by reducing metabolism (primarily by making skeletal muscle about 20% more efficient), increasing hunger, and increasing preoccupation with food. And so far as scientists can tell at this point, this effect may be permanent. They can't tell that everyone is effected this way, but so far, everyone they have studied has been effected this way.
The upshot of this is that when a formerly obese person loses weight, they end up with a metabolism that is 10-15% less than someone of the same weight who was never obese.
So not only do you have to learn to make due with eating maintenance for the new weight, you have to learn to make due with eating 10-15% less than that. Most people can't tolerate this which is probably why most people end up failing wait loss long-term.
The only known mechanism at this time that permanently stops this mechanism is bariatric surgery. Leptin replacement therapy seems to also quiet the defense mechanism but obviously is not permanent.
Another option is appetite suppressants, which is the route I'm currently going. Like Leptin replacement therapy, it's not permanent, either, but my hope is I can use it to get to maintenance and then ride it on and off on maintenance until a better solution to the problem comes along.0 -
maillemaker wrote: »Na, I like big portions and my dinner is typically 1000+ calories, but I don't extrapolate that out to everyone else in the population.
OK I thought we were talking about being satisfied with Wendy's Singles and now we are up to 1000+ meals. Whatevevs mr. flip-flop.how is a grown mans maintenance level 1400 calories? I am a 35 year old male and my maintenance calories are about 2700 ....
I've always heard you typically you take your weight and multiply by 10 to get your maintenance calories. My goal weight is 150. So about 1500 calories. Factor in the permanent metabolic slowdown of 10-15% and you are looking at 1350-1500 calories maintenance. If it's more, great. Point is, a few handfuls of nuts are a days worth of calories. I could increase this with exercise, but I don't exercise.I'm going to assume his TDEE on Day 1 is 2914, then after 5 days as he claims he goes into starvation mode then BAM........TDEE of 1600. Or 1500. Or 1700. Or whatever he claims. Dreaded starvation mode.
It would be nice if you would read what I post, or even just watch the darn videos, but I suppose it's just too much to expect.
When you lose body fat, your leptin levels drop, among other unknown things. When that happens, your skeletal muscles become about 20% more efficient, reducing your metabolism. Your body burns fewer calories in response to body fat stores dropping in an attempt to restore them to their previous levels. This effect has been seen in every study participant in recent years (over 50) and seems to be permanent, though the scientists admit they cannot say it effects everyone. I've provided the links from world-renown scientists teaching and practicing at some of the worlds best hospitals in the fields of obesity, metabolism, and molecular genetics.
If you refuse to read and understand those things, I don't know what to tell you. It's not "starvation mode", it's your body fighting to protect fat stores.
Yes, I can feel this typically 5 days after starting calorie restriction. I'm feeling them right now (cold extremities) and if I were not on appetite suppressants I'm sure I would be hungry.
If I remember correctly, it's 10-14 calories per pound bodyweight to LOSE weight. Maintenance should be higher than that. (I'd hate to think how many calories you are eating to lose currently.)
If you want to know what your expected calories for maintenance are, go to this calculator, put in your height, goal weight, and the activity for the lifestyle you want at maintenance. Done.
http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/
We should all realize, he an outliner. None of the ways weight loss works applies to him.
Is this the same guy who is BFDeal or something?
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maillemaker wrote: »based on your posting history you appear to be an excuse machine as to why you cannot lose weight.
What you call an "excuse machine" I call showing the science behind why most weight loss attempts fail, so that people can understand why they are struggling and take steps to mitigate the issues that make it a struggle.Are you and BFdeal friends?
I have no idea.sure, post the links..
http://videocast.nih.gov/summary.asp?live=2993&bhcp=20
http://www.dana.org/Cerebrum/Default.aspx?id=39307
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(15)00009-1/abstract
You will have to register to read the article in the medical journal The Lancet but it is free to do so.
I get it, so you're saying you are a Martyr, sacrificing your potential success in weight loss to pave the way for those souls that travel the path after you. That's pretty awesome.
So what we know so far is:
You've lost like 16 lbs in over 2 years while weighing at least 350 lbs.
You eat less than many of the women in this forum
You don't exercise because you don't like sweat or exertion
You are destined to fail because science told you that you are
I think I got it all
Also, being a grownup means never doing anything you don't like. I don't like paying the mortgage or bills, I'm just not going to do that anymore. I guess all the grownups who go to work every day just happen to really like going to work. And so on.0 -
Do you want energy to workout if so then NOOOOOOOOO0
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Jesusjohnjames wrote: »Do you want energy to workout if so then NOOOOOOOOO
What are you talking about?
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What?Jesusjohnjames wrote: »Do you want energy to workout if so then NOOOOOOOOO
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Of course! A grass fed all organic ground beef, medium rare. You should join the paleo lifestyle, which is what I'm on0
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AnnaNutBread89 wrote: »Of course! A grass fed all organic ground beef, medium rare. You should join the paleo lifestyle, which is what I'm on
Do you get a nickel for every convert or something?0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »AnnaNutBread89 wrote: »Of course! A grass fed all organic ground beef, medium rare. You should join the paleo lifestyle, which is what I'm on
Do you get a nickel for every convert or something?
Silly. Our Paleo ancestors didn't use nickels. She gets a polished rock for every convert.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »AnnaNutBread89 wrote: »Of course! A grass fed all organic ground beef, medium rare. You should join the paleo lifestyle, which is what I'm on
Do you get a nickel for every convert or something?
Silly. Our Paleo ancestors didn't use nickels. She gets a polished rock for every convert.
But apparently they did have meat grinders.
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I've seen a study like that in a different thread. Neither did it affect everyone, nor was it a flat percentage of calories that they burnt less. The differences were actually pretty severe between people. Also there was pretty much no participants who were physically active so they had no idea if that effect would still happen if you work out. Seems far from conclusive to me.maillemaker wrote: »it all comes down to CICO my friend...
consume less than you are burning and you will lose weight.
Yes! Absolutely!Unless of course your claim is that being obese puts you outside of the realm of math and physics that apply to all of this?
Gah! No! Please, please when you have an hour, watch the video. It's pretty easy to follow in spite of the medical and genetic lingo.
All this this is saying is that when you have been obese for some period of time (and they are not clear on exactly how much time is required) if you lose body fat it triggers a loss of Leptin (among other unknown-at-this-time effects) that trigger defensive mechanisms to try and restore fat levels to their previous high levels. It does this by reducing metabolism (primarily by making skeletal muscle about 20% more efficient), increasing hunger, and increasing preoccupation with food. And so far as scientists can tell at this point, this effect may be permanent. They can't tell that everyone is effected this way, but so far, everyone they have studied has been effected this way.
The upshot of this is that when a formerly obese person loses weight, they end up with a metabolism that is 10-15% less than someone of the same weight who was never obese.
So not only do you have to learn to make due with eating maintenance for the new weight, you have to learn to make due with eating 10-15% less than that. Most people can't tolerate this which is probably why most people end up failing wait loss long-term.
The only known mechanism at this time that permanently stops this mechanism is bariatric surgery. Leptin replacement therapy seems to also quiet the defense mechanism but obviously is not permanent.
Another option is appetite suppressants, which is the route I'm currently going. Like Leptin replacement therapy, it's not permanent, either, but my hope is I can use it to get to maintenance and then ride it on and off on maintenance until a better solution to the problem comes along.
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No burgers for you! One Year!
Unless of course these were ice age sourced wooly mammoths solely fed on pristine tundra and harvested via club.0 -
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maillemaker wrote: »it all comes down to CICO my friend...
consume less than you are burning and you will lose weight.
Yes! Absolutely!Unless of course your claim is that being obese puts you outside of the realm of math and physics that apply to all of this?
Gah! No! Please, please when you have an hour, watch the video. It's pretty easy to follow in spite of the medical and genetic lingo.
All this this is saying is that when you have been obese for some period of time (and they are not clear on exactly how much time is required) if you lose body fat it triggers a loss of Leptin (among other unknown-at-this-time effects) that trigger defensive mechanisms to try and restore fat levels to their previous high levels. It does this by reducing metabolism (primarily by making skeletal muscle about 20% more efficient), increasing hunger, and increasing preoccupation with food. And so far as scientists can tell at this point, this effect may be permanent. They can't tell that everyone is effected this way, but so far, everyone they have studied has been effected this way.
The upshot of this is that when a formerly obese person loses weight, they end up with a metabolism that is 10-15% less than someone of the same weight who was never obese.
So not only do you have to learn to make due with eating maintenance for the new weight, you have to learn to make due with eating 10-15% less than that. Most people can't tolerate this which is probably why most people end up failing wait loss long-term.
The only known mechanism at this time that permanently stops this mechanism is bariatric surgery. Leptin replacement therapy seems to also quiet the defense mechanism but obviously is not permanent.
Another option is appetite suppressants, which is the route I'm currently going. Like Leptin replacement therapy, it's not permanent, either, but my hope is I can use it to get to maintenance and then ride it on and off on maintenance until a better solution to the problem comes along.
Instead of watching another 1 hour video why don't you go for a jog?
You'd get sweaty. Far more sweaty than wearing chainmail to a renaissance festival on a hot day...0 -
14 pages? I just asked if a cheeseburger is allowed. By the way, it was awesome!!!0
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mraudit2000 wrote: »14 pages? I just asked if a cheeseburger is allowed. By the way, it was awesome!!!
Glad you enjoyed your burger!0 -
maillemaker wrote: »it all comes down to CICO my friend...
consume less than you are burning and you will lose weight.
Yes! Absolutely!Unless of course your claim is that being obese puts you outside of the realm of math and physics that apply to all of this?
Gah! No! Please, please when you have an hour, watch the video. It's pretty easy to follow in spite of the medical and genetic lingo.
All this this is saying is that when you have been obese for some period of time (and they are not clear on exactly how much time is required) if you lose body fat it triggers a loss of Leptin (among other unknown-at-this-time effects) that trigger defensive mechanisms to try and restore fat levels to their previous high levels. It does this by reducing metabolism (primarily by making skeletal muscle about 20% more efficient), increasing hunger, and increasing preoccupation with food. And so far as scientists can tell at this point, this effect may be permanent. They can't tell that everyone is effected this way, but so far, everyone they have studied has been effected this way.
The upshot of this is that when a formerly obese person loses weight, they end up with a metabolism that is 10-15% less than someone of the same weight who was never obese.
So not only do you have to learn to make due with eating maintenance for the new weight, you have to learn to make due with eating 10-15% less than that. Most people can't tolerate this which is probably why most people end up failing wait loss long-term.
The only known mechanism at this time that permanently stops this mechanism is bariatric surgery. Leptin replacement therapy seems to also quiet the defense mechanism but obviously is not permanent.
Another option is appetite suppressants, which is the route I'm currently going. Like Leptin replacement therapy, it's not permanent, either, but my hope is I can use it to get to maintenance and then ride it on and off on maintenance until a better solution to the problem comes along.
Instead of watching another 1 hour video why don't you go for a jog?
You'd get sweaty. Far more sweaty than wearing chainmail to a renaissance festival on a hot day...
I wanna go to a RenFest!!0 -
Also, this is a fantastic burger:
And while I was there, I had half a apple pie shake (half was still a full glass). Next time, it will be a kitchen sink:
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maillemaker wrote: »it all comes down to CICO my friend...
consume less than you are burning and you will lose weight.
Yes! Absolutely!Unless of course your claim is that being obese puts you outside of the realm of math and physics that apply to all of this?
Gah! No! Please, please when you have an hour, watch the video. It's pretty easy to follow in spite of the medical and genetic lingo.
All this this is saying is that when you have been obese for some period of time (and they are not clear on exactly how much time is required) if you lose body fat it triggers a loss of Leptin (among other unknown-at-this-time effects) that trigger defensive mechanisms to try and restore fat levels to their previous high levels. It does this by reducing metabolism (primarily by making skeletal muscle about 20% more efficient), increasing hunger, and increasing preoccupation with food. And so far as scientists can tell at this point, this effect may be permanent. They can't tell that everyone is effected this way, but so far, everyone they have studied has been effected this way.
The upshot of this is that when a formerly obese person loses weight, they end up with a metabolism that is 10-15% less than someone of the same weight who was never obese.
So not only do you have to learn to make due with eating maintenance for the new weight, you have to learn to make due with eating 10-15% less than that. Most people can't tolerate this which is probably why most people end up failing wait loss long-term.
The only known mechanism at this time that permanently stops this mechanism is bariatric surgery. Leptin replacement therapy seems to also quiet the defense mechanism but obviously is not permanent.
Another option is appetite suppressants, which is the route I'm currently going. Like Leptin replacement therapy, it's not permanent, either, but my hope is I can use it to get to maintenance and then ride it on and off on maintenance until a better solution to the problem comes along.
I have been reading alot of your posts lately and it almost seems like instead of listening to the people on this site that have been in your shoes and lost tons of weight you rather try to find any excuse to hinder your own progress. Do you want to tlose weight or not?0 -
mraudit2000 wrote: »14 pages? I just asked if a cheeseburger is allowed. By the way, it was awesome!!!
This was a surprisingly fun thread. Thank you for starting it, and thank you for my dinner idea last night. Mine was awesome too!
Except I sliced my thumb on the mandolin while slicing onions for the burger. That kinda sucked.
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Day late and dollar short, ohhh well!! LOL
So much laughter in this thread!!!
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maillemaker wrote: »it all comes down to CICO my friend...
consume less than you are burning and you will lose weight.
Yes! Absolutely!Unless of course your claim is that being obese puts you outside of the realm of math and physics that apply to all of this?
Gah! No! Please, please when you have an hour, watch the video. It's pretty easy to follow in spite of the medical and genetic lingo.
All this this is saying is that when you have been obese for some period of time (and they are not clear on exactly how much time is required) if you lose body fat it triggers a loss of Leptin (among other unknown-at-this-time effects) that trigger defensive mechanisms to try and restore fat levels to their previous high levels. It does this by reducing metabolism (primarily by making skeletal muscle about 20% more efficient), increasing hunger, and increasing preoccupation with food. And so far as scientists can tell at this point, this effect may be permanent. They can't tell that everyone is effected this way, but so far, everyone they have studied has been effected this way.
The upshot of this is that when a formerly obese person loses weight, they end up with a metabolism that is 10-15% less than someone of the same weight who was never obese.
So not only do you have to learn to make due with eating maintenance for the new weight, you have to learn to make due with eating 10-15% less than that. Most people can't tolerate this which is probably why most people end up failing wait loss long-term.
The only known mechanism at this time that permanently stops this mechanism is bariatric surgery. Leptin replacement therapy seems to also quiet the defense mechanism but obviously is not permanent.
Another option is appetite suppressants, which is the route I'm currently going. Like Leptin replacement therapy, it's not permanent, either, but my hope is I can use it to get to maintenance and then ride it on and off on maintenance until a better solution to the problem comes along.
Instead of watching another 1 hour video why don't you go for a jog?
You'd get sweaty. Far more sweaty than wearing chainmail to a renaissance festival on a hot day...
Ba ha ha!
Do they have burgers at RenFest? I just remember giant turkey legs...0 -
Day late and dollar short, ohhh well!! LOL
So much laughter in this thread!!!
Me too! Just read through the whole thread over the course of the morning and it was entertaining.
Now I want a burger...
My husband just scored some venison patties from a guy at work, so I will probably be making them this weekend.0 -
mraudit2000 wrote: »14 pages? I just asked if a cheeseburger is allowed. By the way, it was awesome!!!
lol too funny!
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mraudit2000 wrote: »14 pages? I just asked if a cheeseburger is allowed. By the way, it was awesome!!!
Glad you enjoyed the burger and started this thread!
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