Fruits are too sugary and bad for weight loss?
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All fruits are not equal! For instance a ripe banana has more sugar than a greenish banana. Pineapple is very high in sugar but has other important nutrients and functions, such as aiding digestion. I avoid having too much of those fruits and stick to berries, apples, black cherries, melons, etc. But there is nothing better than having half a banana and pineapple chunks in a green smoothie! As the others have said, calorie count counts, and everything in moderation.0
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If you want science, take a look at The China Study. Low-carb and other protein-heavy diets can't show the same anti-cancer, anti-heart disease results as a plant-based diet. It is a huge study by certified nutritionists who did not expect to find what they did. Whole foods are good, including whole fruits of every kind.
http://www.socakajak-klub.si/mma/The+China+Study.pdf/20111116065942/
The China Study has been discredited many times.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
i meant clinical studies showing that eating low carb leads to curing cancer….
Please show me a study of x amount of cancer patients that ate low carb, with zero drugs, and are cured of cancer.
as a cancer survivor I would love to know that I would of just cut out carbs and been cured rather than doing six months of chemo and a month of radiation ...
Wake up, sheeple, Big Radiation is paying off legislators to keep the truth from you.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
i meant clinical studies showing that eating low carb leads to curing cancer….
Please show me a study of x amount of cancer patients that ate low carb, with zero drugs, and are cured of cancer.
as a cancer survivor I would love to know that I would of just cut out carbs and been cured rather than doing six months of chemo and a month of radiation ...
Wake up, sheeple, Big Radiation is paying off legislators to keep the truth from you.
those b*stards….
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
i meant clinical studies showing that eating low carb leads to curing cancer….
Please show me a study of x amount of cancer patients that ate low carb, with zero drugs, and are cured of cancer.
as a cancer survivor I would love to know that I would of just cut out carbs and been cured rather than doing six months of chemo and a month of radiation ...
Wake up, sheeple, Big Radiation is paying off legislators to keep the truth from you.
Mako reactors so I can be Cloud and carry hefty buster swords0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
i meant clinical studies showing that eating low carb leads to curing cancer….
Please show me a study of x amount of cancer patients that ate low carb, with zero drugs, and are cured of cancer.
as a cancer survivor I would love to know that I would of just cut out carbs and been cured rather than doing six months of chemo and a month of radiation ...
Wake up, sheeple, Big Radiation is paying off legislators to keep the truth from you.
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Multivitamins have even more than any green leafy vegetable. So clearly an entire bottle of multivitamins is the best option.BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
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so next time a cancer patient goes to their oncologist he is just going to tell them "cut all carbs, and come back in six months"…..ok….0
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BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Fructose does not stimulate insulin production.0 -
BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
Sure it was already said, but unless those hundreds of studies (which I'm guessing is an over-statement/hyperbole) also controlled for caloric intake, such that every participant was calculated to have very similar estimated maintenance needs (which, from waht I've seen from studies I HAVE perused, does not happen) and ate at a similar deficit..... there's no proof that eating at a deficit will = storing fat.
Low carb means high fat. Which can mean quick satiety on fewer calories.
Low fat tends to mean high carb, and if not tracking calories this can lead to over-eating calories.
I prefer fruit, so fruit > veggies all day, errday.0 -
I'm not sure when I've seen this much stupid in one place....0
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BritDillinger wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »Government food guides encourage the consumption of fruits and vegetables. They are full of fiber and micronutrients.
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/choose-choix/fruit/index-eng.php
The government is in bed with the pharmaceudical companies. Like a big ol orgy in there.
Read on...
The government suggests eating natural foods because they want you to not be healthy?
If the government wanted you to be healthy, the fact that going without carbs has been shown to cure- or at the very least, remiss-cancer, diabetes, and other health conditionswould be making headlines. But go ahead, keep buying those pesticidal fruits...
So not eating carbs cures cancer. Got some science to back that one up? Not a blog or a random website. I would like a human, peer reviewed study.
I would also like to see those clinical trials.
* http://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
* http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25649120
* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/21/opinion/when-the-government-tells-you-what-to-eat.html?smid=fb-share
Link 1 is not a clinical trial (not a proper reference for what others have requested).
Link 2 didn't cure seizures, just helped with keeping them under control, although without being knowledgeable in this discipline I have no idea how viable this abstract is.
Link 3 same as link 1.0 -
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BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »BritDillinger wrote: »Honestly, you can get the same vitamins and minerals from vegetables that you can get from fruits. Green, leafy vegetables are higher in dietary fiber, lower in sugars and are overall better for you. Spinach especially.
If you want to consume a good fruit, go for avocados. Or if you really want a sweet dessert, go for low carb fruits such as raspberries, blackberries and strawberries.
This makes no sense.
You say to stop eating fruit because it's high in sugar, you eat Quest bars.
Quest bars are made with sugar alcohol. You pass sugar alcohols the same way you pass dietary fiber. I will eat one if I'm in a bind between places to ensure I get my protein.
I say to limit eating fruits. They are not necessary or worth the amount of sugars in them. Green, leafy vegetables are much better for your health. You don't pass fructose the same way you pass dietary fiber or sugar alcohols. Fructose causes an insulin spike, which causes your body to store fat.
Here's a graph to help illuminate this for you:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/0c/8d/490c8d6d60778fce0ced778621a57f26.jpg
Yea because vegetables = carbs = sugar
Sugar is not satan
And you only store fat in a caloric surplus...
And protein spikes insulin too, so does that make you store fat too?
Only if you consume too much protein will that happen. Consuming too high in your daily macros of protein, yes, it will start to break down. This is pretty frank stuff one can read on low-carb and living keto.
And yes, you will store regardless. There have been hundreds of studies revolved around low-carb vs low-fat diets which had no hinder on carbs. Low-carb lost more weight and had better blood work overall compared to the low-fat diets.
Sugar isn't satan, of course, but humans do not need to consume too much of it. Just enough to get by. It seems silly you are getting pensive about my exposing that green, leafy vegetables are a better option to fruits.
Did I say you had to eat vegetables over fruits? Nope. I said they were a better option and can give you all the vitamins and minerals one can find in fruit.
Also, vegetables do have sugar, but not as much as fruit. Take a look for yourself. You have Google.
Protein is insulinogenic.
It's also not dependent on whether or not you "exceed your protein macro".
It's not like your beta cells say "wait, ignore the 60g of protein guys, her macro is set to 75g, don't produce insulin yet".
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/66/5/1264.full.pdf0 -
It's like a symposium on stupid....cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm not sure when I've seen this much stupid in one place....
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THE INSULIN! IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!!0
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I go over mfp's sugar goals everyday, mainly because of milk and fruit. Two things I refuse to give up.0
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christinev297 wrote: »I go over mfp's sugar goals everyday, mainly because of milk and fruit. Two things I refuse to give up.
I stopped tracking sugar after my first 2 weeks. There are far more unhealthy items in my food journal than fruits and milk (hides jar of Laura Secord Chocolate Hazelnut spread from kids...)!0 -
FRUIT IS GOOD FOR YOU
But,
Calories in/calories out.
If you have the choice to eat something processed or fruit. Eat the fruit. But an excess of anything (calories) will hinder weight loss.0 -
glfernandes828 wrote: »I've read a lot of articles lately that say that fruits really aren't that great of a food to eat when trying to lose weight because despite the vitamins, they are filled with sugar and if you are trying to loose weight, you should keep your fruit consumption at a minimum.
This sucks cuz I loooove all fruits so much. But since reading those articles I've chosen to only eat fruits as meal replacers or snacks in between very spread apart meals.
What are your opinions and facts you know about fruits?
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herrspoons wrote: »On a serious note, this is usually what happens to people who go for 'natural' treatments when cancer is diagnosed.
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/01/jessica-ainscough-australia-wellness-warrior-dies-cancer-aged-30
so sad
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glfernandes828 wrote: »I've read a lot of articles lately that say that fruits really aren't that great of a food to eat when trying to lose weight because despite the vitamins, they are filled with sugar and if you are trying to loose weight, you should keep your fruit consumption at a minimum.
This sucks cuz I loooove all fruits so much. But since reading those articles I've chosen to only eat fruits as meal replacers or snacks in between very spread apart meals.
What are your opinions and facts you know about fruits?
In my body eating fruit gives me the same results as eating most other sugars/carbs so I let fruits go when I went cold turkey off of carbs in Oct 2014. I replaced them with fats so I could still meet my calorie goal and reduce my cancer risk at the same time since Carbs increase cancer risks and to a lesser degree so does protein. Fats cause no increase in cancer risks per cancer specialists.
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