A short rant about many of the posts I have been seeing here. May come off as harsh but must be said
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This is what I looked like at 20.
Back when I didn't understand that sometimes life is not black and white. I thought, if you eat less you lose....everyone is the same......
I have learned a lot in the past few years....
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joejward95 wrote: »I am happy for people to hate me for what i have said. What I wont have is people accusing me of things I have/haven't done, telling me I don't know anything because I am too young and telling me my life has been easy(without knowing a thing about me)
OP, you're upset about people making accusations and assumptions about you without knowing the details of your life, yet you just wrote an entire rant to the community essentially doing the same to other people without knowing the details of theirs.0 -
I'm not pissed off by your post, I just don't understand why you think you are such a 'special snowflake' that your opinion of other peoples posts is valid or useful? It seems to me that this is all about your journey, not theirs. You're frustrated with Others for some reason- not sure why, but if I had to take a guess it's because you think you've got this whole weight loss thing down, and it feels nice to you to act like some sort of expert now that you've taken control of your own journey.
How about you try not judging? People come here looking for help. If you can't provide help, that's ok, but why antagonize, judge, offend? People learn things when they're ready- it has nothing to do with your magical powers to be harsh and help others see the light. You can't do that for them- they have to do it for themselves.
Look you're a kid- 18- I get it. You're at an age when you think you're a genius expert based on the things you've learned in your life. In the nicest way possible, I'd like you to hear that you don't know *kitten*. I'm so happy for you that you've figured things out for yourself. That is so amazing and I Applaud you for what you're doing on your own journey. Stop being such a teenager though and thinking you understand anything about the experiences of other people though.
You know what I've learned in my 36 years? That I don't know *kitten* either. And that's why I do my best to not judge, to be helpful, and if I can't do that, I try to keep my mouth shut, and my heart open.0 -
Allright give me tenmamapeach910 wrote: »judiness101 wrote: »I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but anybody knows a good thread where people told their denial/excuses/fatlogic stories? I used the search fonction, but I came out with way too many result.
I do find it fascinating what excuses we give ourselves and how we do not see ourselves as really fat when we clearly are. I feel fatter today with a bmi of 28 than when I had one of 36.
That is a great idea for a thread. You should start one.
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apparently.....i was a bit off back then (sideways pic)
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Nope, I have stated that personal circumstances are irrelevant due to weight loss. So when people bring them up and make assumptions about me it gets a tad annoying.0
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Just wanted to quote this. Wow. How incredibly naïve you are!joejward95 wrote: »No, I am saying that hardships in life have nothing to do with weightloss. My hardships are none of your business, yours are none of mine. Because it is irrelevant to weight.
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justsayinisall wrote: »give me one of those cookies! and for the love of God people:
Loose
Loose is an adjective, the opposite of tight or contained.
My shoes are loose
I have a loose tooth
There’s a dog running loose in the street
Lose
Lose is a verb that means to suffer the loss of, to miss.
I win! You lose!
Don’t lose your keys
I never lose bets
THANK YOU! My grammar nazi is nearly uncontrollable when I see the misuse of these two words.
My inner usage nazi gets out of control when people call usage errors grammar errors.
"In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules governing the composition of clauses, phrases, and words in any given natural language. The term refers also to the study of such rules, and this field includes morphology, syntax, and phonology, often complemented by phonetics, semantics, and pragmatics."0 -
herrspoons wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »joejward95 wrote: »No, I am saying that hardships in life have nothing to do with weightloss. My hardships are none of your business, yours are none of mine. Because it is irrelevant to weight.
Is it now?
Hmm, are you saying that it is irrelevant to consider how someone's financial, educational or mental state might influence their behaviour and choices? And that addressing the presnece of clinical depression, for example, might just, maybe, be relevant to long term adherence in a weight loss program?
Oh, wait!
I have a friend, she's been paralyzed from the waist down from an infection a few years ago. The resulting trauma impacted her ability to exercise and along with mental issues, other concomitant metabolic issues, overeating, etc. she's gained a lot of weight. Her hardships are irrelevant to the weight gain?
Okay!
I'll send her a postcard to harden the eff up!
If your friend consumed less calories than she required would she lose weight? Yes or no.
Individual circumstances change, fundamentals do not.
she will lose weight your right, but the OP is saying saying that hardships in life have nothing to do with weightloss. In this example of the lady going through alot, it really wont be as easy for her as someone like me who really had no excuse.0 -
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herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Can anyone suffering from thyroid disorders or PCOS please state exactly why that, after effective medication and nutrient profile modification had been applied, CICO would not apply to them?
We understand these are tough medical conditions. Equally they are treatable.
My doctors cannot find the effective dosages of medication for me. But, I plug along with the calorie counting and exercise because they make me feel good and I know that once the proper dosage is reached, I will be able to lose weight. It is a lifestyle for me.
Cool. I hope they find medication that works for you soon. It's a tough condition to manage.
Thanks. Yes..it is. But I WILL get there.
And right now...I am doing everything i can to ensure success!0 -
ditsyblond17 wrote: »joejward95 wrote: »I love these people responding about my age! Is this really the only thing yo can say to discredit me? Does you being older somehow make you understand weight loss better than me?
Obviously not, Joe. No ONE knows weight loss better than you!
It doesn't make anyone understand weight loss better joe. A little age teaches you how little you know about life- about the experiences of others and their struggles, and if you're lucky, it teaches you not to judge, and to have kindness when you can.
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killerqueen21 wrote: »
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Unless your personal circumstances involve someone force feeding you how do they cause you to overeat? Or you're in the minority who have some form of hormonal issue that make the calories out bit harder to work out.0
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I am all for positive motivation and trying to understand the individual person without judging. However, one universal truth that the OP touched on is that YOU need to make the choice to do it, YOU need to take the responsibility and YOU need to really want it (not just half want it or just want it on Mondays etc.). The OP may come off as harsh and immature to some (and maybe he is) but from my experience (and I am only 29 and do not in any way consider myself an expert) you will not get the results you "want" unless you really want it deep down. Everyone has their own unique obstacles and life situations, but if you truly deep down really want it you will figure out how to overcome those obstacles. This goes for any challenge or goal in life. Also, if you do really want it, the right people will show up in your life to give you the help you need because we all need a little help. But it starts with you!0
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not sure if i would use the word naive, but like to be polite. lolsnickerscharlie wrote: »
Just wanted to quote this. Wow. How incredibly naïve you are!joejward95 wrote: »No, I am saying that hardships in life have nothing to do with weightloss. My hardships are none of your business, yours are none of mine. Because it is irrelevant to weight.
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joejward95 wrote: »No, I am saying that hardships in life have nothing to do with weightloss. My hardships are none of your business, yours are none of mine. Because it is irrelevant to weight.
While hardships might not directly affect weight gain/loss like eating a kilo of lard a day would, they can cause mental issues which can affect how a person feels.
If you feel worthless, you don't feel like taking care of yourself. If you do not sleep, you do not feel like exercising. Depression and lack of sleep can also help you to be awesome at catching any germ that goes around so you constantly are ill and feel like poo. Lack of sleep I believe is meant to mess with hunger also.
These things are hard to overcome. I should know. I've been on various bloody pills for nearly 15 damn years.
I'm trying. Some days I do better than others. Some days I feel better than others. Most days I wish I could just hide away in bed and sleep all day but I have to get up and go to work to pay my bills etc...
Saying that a person deserves to be fat without walking a mile in their shoes is just mean. And not at all constructive.0 -
Eat less. Move more.
Cheques can be made payable to Jimmer. Thanks in advance.0 -
justsayinisall wrote: »give me one of those cookies! and for the love of God people:
Loose
Loose is an adjective, the opposite of tight or contained.
My shoes are loose
I have a loose tooth
There’s a dog running loose in the street
Lose
Lose is a verb that means to suffer the loss of, to miss.
I win! You lose!
Don’t lose your keys
I never lose bets
THANK YOU! My grammar nazi is nearly uncontrollable when I see the misuse of these two words.
My inner usage nazi gets out of control when people call usage errors grammar errors.
"In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules governing the composition of clauses, phrases, and words in any given natural language. The term refers also to the study of such rules, and this field includes morphology, syntax, and phonology, often complemented by phonetics, semantics, and pragmatics."
Right. So lose v loose is usage, not grammar. Thank you.0 -
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herrspoons wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »joejward95 wrote: »No, I am saying that hardships in life have nothing to do with weightloss. My hardships are none of your business, yours are none of mine. Because it is irrelevant to weight.
Is it now?
Hmm, are you saying that it is irrelevant to consider how someone's financial, educational or mental state might influence their behaviour and choices? And that addressing the presnece of clinical depression, for example, might just, maybe, be relevant to long term adherence in a weight loss program?
Oh, wait!
I have a friend, she's been paralyzed from the waist down from an infection a few years ago. The resulting trauma impacted her ability to exercise and along with mental issues, other concomitant metabolic issues, overeating, etc. she's gained a lot of weight. Her hardships are irrelevant to the weight gain?
Okay!
I'll send her a postcard to harden the eff up!
If your friend consumed less calories than she required would she lose weight? Yes or no.
Individual circumstances change, fundamentals do not.
Obviously, if she eat less than her daily needs she would lose. A tautology is a tautology.
Ah, but individual circumstances (hardship) matter - "eat less" for her now means going from something like <2400 cals to <900 cals to lose.
However, it is also much easier for me to have a 500 calorie deficit than it is for her.
And I will need to adhere to an eating regimen without secondary metabolic modifications (pituitary, etc) for a lot less time to reach the same loss goal.0 -
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In my experience the general message of the OP is correct. Physics works, and bottom line is that long-term weight control is all about calories in vs. calories out. The key is that calorie burn rates vary significantly per individual, so in order to make this work you need to determine what your burn rate is. It might take months of trial and error to find out what your burn rate is (with and without exercise), but if you carefully track you will eventually get a good idea about how many calories you can take in per day to maintain weight. From there if you want to lose weight, just set up a deficit and stick to it.
Sounds easy, but the psychological aspect of maintaining a caloric deficit is probably the most challenging part of this formula (at least for me - I am always hungry).0 -
the butthurt in this thread is amazing....
In addition, I'm seeing so much projection that I want to watch Cinema Paradisio again.
OP: Excuses won't get you anywhere
Everyone else: OMG MY EXCUSES ARE REAL, YOU FETUS!
SMDH. Nobody said that individual people don't have certain factors in life that present challenges in reaching their goals. Thing is, that doesn't make life "impossible." So, you know....~shrug~0 -
herrspoons wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Every single one of you who disagreed with the OP's post is going to fail. Every single one of you. Maybe not now, but in a year or so's time when you put the weight back on.
All of you.
Except a lot of those are people disagreeing or pointing out the flaw in the way he said it rather than the fundamentals of what he said.
What flaw? Tell me anything in the original post that isn't true. It's not relevant if someone's feels are damaged. Christ, a lot of posters on this site could do with a good verbal slap. Maybe even a physical one.
While true, that slap might have more gravitas were the messenger someone with a little more experience under his belt.
Doesn't make Joe wrong. He's precious. I have a teenager of my own and was one once.
In my 46 years of life I have learned that just because someone is older doesn't mean they are wiser. It just means they've been making stupid decisions longer.
Listen to the message, not the messenger.
In my 52 years of life, I've learned that I'm a pretty good judge of character. I agree with listen to the message, not the messenger.
The entirety of the thread isn't just the initial message, though.
Again, youth. He is right though. There has been a rash of excuse makers recently.
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I'm not agreeing/disagreeing with OP. I'm just here for the arguing. Mostly free entertainment, yo.
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I love how people keep telling joejward95 to ignore the posts and not to have posted his OP, then why are you posting your own negative comment to his OP? Maybe you should take your own advice and ignore his post if it bothers you....0
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SingRunTing wrote: »From the title I was expecting a "mean people" thread. I'm glad it's not.
His delivery might be off, but I have found the crux of what he's saying to be true for me.
When I got honest with myself and stopped making excuses, I started losing weight. When I stopped relying on others for motivation, I started losing weight. I like talking to people about weight loss (hence why I hang out here), but I can't rely on someone else to motivate me. Heck, I can't even rely on motivation. I rely on habits.
But what do I know, I'm only 28. Apparently you have to be over 30 to know anything at all.
Sing, I am 50 and my feelings and experiences are quite similar to yours. So I apparently don't know much either :-)
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