A short rant about many of the posts I have been seeing here. May come off as harsh but must be said
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Lol. I agree that Joe came off as abrasive but he did preface with that very disclaimer, so for me it is whatever. People are allowed to be passionate. He had the self awareness to say 'hey, my wording probably going to make some of you mad, but I have to say what I need to say.'
And to the people who are dismissing and invalidating his thoughts and opinions simply because of his age, shame on you. Yeah, because I'm sure you loved hearing that thrown at you when you were his age.
Congrats on your weight loss Joe. Thats no easy feat. Your message and experience will not reach or apply to everyone, but I think you know that and I respect that you needed to get it across, even if it wasn't diplomatic.0 -
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dessert vs desert? I always remember strawberry shortcake is a dessert. 2 "S's"
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I am 68 years had 2 total knee replacements and fell and broke one of them gained a lot of weight while I was down 1 1/2 yrs after looking at pic with great grandkid at 338lbs knew this would not pass started on mfp here and joined gym sept 11 to day weigh 238 90 lbs down if I can do it most any one can my diary is open fill free to look or friend good luck to all0
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Just curious, if you had to choose between being fat, or feeling like you are starving all day every day for the rest of your life, which do you think you would choose?joejward95 wrote: »Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
Just curious, if you had to choose between being fat, or feeling like you are starving all day every day for the rest of your life, which do you think you would choose?joejward95 wrote: »Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.
That is not how this works, that's not how any of this works. There are not only two options starving or gluttony. There is a middle ground.0 -
I wouldn't call it a waste. Many of us have found it entertaining for the nostalgia factor alone.AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »Writing a rant like this is wasted energy.
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mskinner1091 wrote: »
THANK YOU! My grammar nazi is nearly uncontrollable when I see the misuse of these two words. [/quote]
I know! I'm terrible for it! I get dessert and desert mixed up as well. It all went downhill after leaving school I'm afraid... Sorry
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The way to remember the difference between desert & dessert:
I could always go for 2 helpings of dessert. There are 2 'S's in the word. Lol, works for me
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Oh god that is genius! I'll never forget again! mmmmm dessert...0 -
Just seen this - and I must admit, I pretty much agree with OP, however the reaction is as interesting as the post itself. I find in life it is always easier to tell people what they want to hear, whether it is about weight loss, work, personal life - pretty much anything.
For example, if someone says "I've had a bad day at work, so I ate a box of donuts", the easiest thing to say is A. "I dont blame you, I woudlnt worry about it, you can always start again tomorrow". But the more helpful thing to say is B. "sorry you had a bad day, but the donuts wont help, and you will probably feel worse after you've eaten them".
Which one would be easier? A. Which one would be more helpful? B.
Just my thoughts
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justsayinisall wrote: »give me one of those cookies! and for the love of God people:
Loose
Loose is an adjective, the opposite of tight or contained.
My shoes are loose
I have a loose tooth
There’s a dog running loose in the street
Lose
Lose is a verb that means to suffer the loss of, to miss.
I win! You lose!
Don’t lose your keys
I never lose bets
THANK YOU! My grammar nazi is nearly uncontrollable when I see the misuse of these two words.
My inner usage nazi gets out of control when people call usage errors grammar errors.
"In linguistics, grammar is the set of structural rules governing the composition of clauses, phrases, and words in any given natural language. The term refers also to the study of such rules, and this field includes morphology, syntax, and phonology, often complemented by phonetics, semantics, and pragmatics."
Right. So lose v loose is usage, not grammar. Thank you.
Excuse the naive foreigner both of you, but isn't is simply, umm, spelling? At least I suspect for most people that's what's really happening, I doubt they would actually pronounce "loose" and "lose" the same.0 -
There is for almost everyone, and I have spent a lot of energy advocating just that on these very forums for over two years.AmbyrJayde wrote: »LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
Just curious, if you had to choose between being fat, or feeling like you are starving all day every day for the rest of your life, which do you think you would choose?joejward95 wrote: »Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.
That is not how this works, that's not how any of this works. There are not only two options starving or gluttony. There is a middle ground.
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herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Seriously, everything you say is 100% spot on (in my humble opinion). Dude is saying enough with the excuses... the end. I have this same fight with people who think they can diet for a week and when they don't lose 30lbs They then eat a pizza and package of girl scout cookies and cry because they just cant understand why they aren't losing weight. Baffles the brain!
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justsayinisall wrote: »dessert vs desert? I always remember strawberry shortcake is a dessert. 2 "S's"
Again brilliant! Wow, I've learnt so many things today from this thread. And I've managed to waste half a day at work just keeping up with it. 0 -
Far out, too many PC police on MFP.0
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markjbevan wrote: »Just seen this - and I must admit, I pretty much agree with OP, however the reaction is as interesting as the post itself. I find in life it is always easier to tell people what they want to hear, whether it is about weight loss, work, personal life - pretty much anything.
For example, if someone says "I've had a bad day at work, so I ate a box of donuts", the easiest thing to say is A. "I dont blame you, I woudlnt worry about it, you can always start again tomorrow". But the more helpful thing to say is B. "sorry you had a bad day, but the donuts wont help, and you will probably feel worse after you've eaten them".
Which one would be easier? A. Which one would be more helpful? B.
Just my thoughts
There is the third option of just saying nothing at all unless asked.
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adamworton wrote: »This escalated quite quickly.
Anyone else for a smoothie?
There's a joke about not feeding the trolls in here somewhere but i just can't see it...
If you feed a troll a cookie. . . .
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Oh *kitten* OP. Honesty. I bet you get banned soon. FR OTW.0
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AmbyrJayde wrote: »It's CI vs CO. It is that simple.
Last year I stopped watching it quite as well as I should have. I ended up gaining 40ish pounds back. I decided it must be some type of problem, condition, something outside of my control, and obviously not the extra food I was shoving down my throat. Finally in November of last year I broke thru all of that fat logic. My foot suddenly swelled up really badly and I thought I was legitimately dying, of a heart problem. I immediately started weighing and measuring and actively counting again. I also started really looking at my exercise and coming to terms with the fact that no, I did not burn 1k calories walking for an hour at 2.5mph and that I should not be eating all of that back. And look at that my 40lb weight gain over last year is almost all gone.
If you are honest about your calories in vs calories out you will lose the weight. If it's not working for you, check and make sure you're really eating the portions you write down. Make sure that you are really burning the calories you say you are.
Accountability and motivation are great. I honestly don't think I would go quite as hard if I didn't know that someone would see my exercise entries, or that nice note "Finished her diary and was /under/ her calories." But I thrive on competition, and comparing myself to other people.
Good job on the weight loss OP!
Last note: OP being 19 has absolutely nothing to do with the things he posted, it's just an ad hominem attack from people who can't find anything else wrong with the post, or don't want to think about what they are doing wrong. Weight loss is incredibly simple, even if not easy. It's just math.
Simple does not equal easy though.
CICO is how we lose weight, period. But finding the way to apply it to your life sustainably is not always easy. And that's where the issues/questions and threads come in.
It's lack of education 90% of the time. There are a ridiculous amount of fitness/weight loss/health related myths out there and it can be really hard for people to wade through them to find the truth and then learn how to apply that truth to their lives long term.
I've lost 72 pounds, while dealing with multiple health issues. So I get it - I know how hard it can feel. But I also know that it's doable.
So yeah, excuses are lame and frustrating. And I don't have patience for them. I just don't think the majority of threads on here *are* excuse filled (and when they are, I just move on, realizing that excuses are generally a sign of lack of commitment). I think they are ignorance. And people shouldn't be shamed for being ignorant. Mostly.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
There is for almost everyone, and I have spent a lot of energy advocating just that on these very forums for over two years.AmbyrJayde wrote: »LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
Just curious, if you had to choose between being fat, or feeling like you are starving all day every day for the rest of your life, which do you think you would choose?joejward95 wrote: »Are you telling me, if you didn't eat for 2 weeks you would not lose a single lb? You understand that is literally defeating the laws of physics.
That is not how this works, that's not how any of this works. There are not only two options starving or gluttony. There is a middle ground.
In regards to starving vs gluttony there literally is a middle ground for everyone.
In regards to eating the things you want, probably not so much. I don't allow chips or snack cakes or cookies etc, in my house any more even though I love them because I know my limits and I know that I personally can not handle them in the house because I will over eat them. not everyone has to do that. They can manage their middle ground in regards to snacks w/out harsh restrictions. I can't, and I admit that I'm an addict and I keep my drug of choice far away. Now, if I'm out and about and have worked out that day and have the urge for a snack cake or a soda I will buy one, and enjoy it. Because It doesn't happen often. But I always faithfully log it because not logging it doesn't mean the calories didn't go in :P (That's a poke at myself not you.)0 -
Generally there are two varieties of really, completely useless threads I've noticed on the site:
Type 1: oh my gosh why are you people so mean
Type 2: oh my gosh why are you people so stupid and lazy
Basically the OP just contributed one more thread to one of the types while complaining about threads related to the other type.
Bring on the cat gifs.0 -
Derprioception wrote: »If people were one dimensional beings then yeah, CICO would be the sum of all things weight loss. Regardless, it is the foundation of success. Winning doesn't happen without it... Period. However, we aren't 1 dimensional. Everything physical is also affected by the mental and emotional processes we experience. It's a bit naive to assume that it isn't. The disconnect comes in when we factor the different degrees by which we are all affected by them. There is a broad variance there and given the huge number of different people on this site you're discounting a significant portion of the population by asserting that they all must approach the process with the exact degree of mental and emotional disconnect that you approach it.
Some people have emotional issues that cloud the picture for them. I was sexually abused as a child and raped as a teenager.
So I understand what you're saying.
However...
To be successful, you can't let that stand in your way and use it as a shield forever.
Some people come on this site and they're still at a stage of their journey where they're in the middle of dealing with those emotional issues. This is NOT a counseling site. No one here can help them get through the various types of emotional baggage that can be reasons for over eating.
When someone is past that point, and has dealt with the issues, and is simply down to eating as a habit, and is ready to break a bad habit? Then they're ready for what this site can offer.
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i was you about two years ago. and you are right. i agree about the "motivate meeeee" part. it irritates me no end. However, since you are "relatively" newish to this site, I would say stay off the forums if you want to avoid the 'noid. or just go to the ones that benefit you. 9.99999 times out of 10 you will have to read some post from some dingaling who just wants to be spoon fed a good body and good eating habits. but still, i like your post. carry on soldier!!!!0
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TheVirgoddess wrote: »AmbyrJayde wrote: »It's CI vs CO. It is that simple.
Last year I stopped watching it quite as well as I should have. I ended up gaining 40ish pounds back. I decided it must be some type of problem, condition, something outside of my control, and obviously not the extra food I was shoving down my throat. Finally in November of last year I broke thru all of that fat logic. My foot suddenly swelled up really badly and I thought I was legitimately dying, of a heart problem. I immediately started weighing and measuring and actively counting again. I also started really looking at my exercise and coming to terms with the fact that no, I did not burn 1k calories walking for an hour at 2.5mph and that I should not be eating all of that back. And look at that my 40lb weight gain over last year is almost all gone.
If you are honest about your calories in vs calories out you will lose the weight. If it's not working for you, check and make sure you're really eating the portions you write down. Make sure that you are really burning the calories you say you are.
Accountability and motivation are great. I honestly don't think I would go quite as hard if I didn't know that someone would see my exercise entries, or that nice note "Finished her diary and was /under/ her calories." But I thrive on competition, and comparing myself to other people.
Good job on the weight loss OP!
Last note: OP being 19 has absolutely nothing to do with the things he posted, it's just an ad hominem attack from people who can't find anything else wrong with the post, or don't want to think about what they are doing wrong. Weight loss is incredibly simple, even if not easy. It's just math.
Simple does not equal easy though.
CICO is how we lose weight, period. But finding the way to apply it to your life sustainably is not always easy. And that's where the issues/questions and threads come in.
It's lack of education 90% of the time. There are a ridiculous amount of fitness/weight loss/health related myths out there and it can be really hard for people to wade through them to find the truth and then learn how to apply that truth to their lives long term.
I've lost 72 pounds, while dealing with multiple health issues. So I get it - I know how hard it can feel. But I also know that it's doable.
So yeah, excuses are lame and frustrating. And I don't have patience for them. I just don't think the majority of threads on here *are* excuse filled (and when they are, I just move on, realizing that excuses are generally a sign of lack of commitment). I think they are ignorance. And people shouldn't be shamed for being ignorant. Mostly.
Totally agree with simple not always being easy. But there's usually a very noticeable difference between someone who is just ignorant vs someone who is making excuses.
on another note, I should probably get out of here. I've got a run to do.
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Wiseandcurious wrote: »Generally there are two varieties of really, completely useless threads I've noticed on the site:
Type 1: oh my gosh why are you people so mean
Type 2: oh my gosh why are you people so stupid and lazy
Basically the OP just contributed one more thread to one of the types while complaining about threads related to the other type.
Bring on the cat gifs.
I lost the cat gif watching the toilet flush. . . .thank you for reminding I can do something today to contribute to this thread.0 -
JOE, i understand your plight. I don't get on the forums mainly because i mobile app and not pc but i am 39yoa with an extremely slow metabolism. Always has been even though i played a lot of sports I peaked at 270 lbs , 5'8'', with back injuries from car crashes dating back a decade. These problems are currently getting rectified by a doctor i recently found that could help me when in the past 8+ doctors could not.
Mind you when i was younger i fluctuated with weight and muscle according to which sports i was playing and how much beer i consumed. I have been steadily accumulating fat and decided to research and get my *kitten* in gear. I did not eat a lot but it was the foods that i was eating that was blimping me up.
I started losing weight in November but I have used MFP religiously since December 2014 and at last weigh in last month i lost about 30 lbs. I cut my calories by about almost a thousand a day from what i actually need to maintain. That puts me around 2lbs a week fat loss, (500 cals a day= 1lb a week). i do not cardio right now but do body weight exercises.
I wanted to point out I am making progress and doing pretty well. I say that to say this: JOE, I agree with you. i believe the excuses go back to a lifetime of enabling and coddling. I am sure there are some psychological issues dealing with comfort food and self worth somewhere mixed in. It happens and that needs to be sorted out. In theatre, it is taught to look at yourself and give an honest evaluation and own yourself. OWN IT. NO EXCUSES. I said to myself, I am FAT and I want to change. Sometimes people need tough love. It IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. Some would rather in self pity and feel the cards are stacked against them and just be unhappy for whatever word they call them self. Overweight, obese, fat, etc.
Joe I agree it is about the calories and the fat. Your body needs both, just not excessive. Most people will not succeed because it is just a glazed donut. That is how i felt about the double quarter pounder and the it's just chicken nuggets.. etc.
Obesity to me (yes i was quite obese, thank you) is like an addiction of sorts. A heroin addict, crack addict or any other addict cannot help themselves and begin to over haul their lives until they get fed up and decide they do not like what they are becoming or how they look. They DECIDE they want to do something about it and succeed. I decided to get back the body that i used to have so i can play and teach and coach my 4yr old in all the things she wants to learn. I wanted to no longer have to say, hold on baby, Daddy needs to rest a minute.
i will probably not be back on to read any of the nasty comments the small minded and offended people will inevitably have to write. this is a rare occasion i am on a pc. I am not saying any of you are small minded or offended but i guess we will see. Some of the above is my opinion but mostly it is facts that deal with me and the progress i made as the result of calorie cutting. Thumbs up to you Joe for the weight loss and marathon work.
keep it up little brother.0 -
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Youth has nothing to do with it. ItsCasey, a mpf'er is a prime example. Get to know her. She did it young too an has kept it off and is motivated and a motivator. She was prob 20 when she took control of her life and lost 100 lbs. I dont like to speak for her but im a little older than him (ok a lot) and i am not gonna sit here and say sarcastic remarks about how young he is. Don't disparage him because he got it early and others didn't. Gah...this is why I stay off the stupid forums. Joe, keep up the good work. And if others have seen themselves as the whiner who doesn't have an actual health issue, don't attack, look at yerself and see why you are offended. Did he strike a nerve? Good! Get on it!Lol, ah, youth
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Haha. Joe. That's the norm here. (Fist bumps joe)0
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