I'm trying to shread/ not lose muscle

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  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    Jogging for 30 minutes is a lot different than sprinting for 10 minutes. The sprinting will actually burn more calories and utilize more muscle, keeping it preserved.
    So will just not eating however many calories you burn in 10 minutes of sprinting while still doing your strength training, right?
  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    Jogging for 30 minutes is a lot different than sprinting for 10 minutes. The sprinting will actually burn more calories and utilize more muscle, keeping it preserved.
    So will just not eating however many calories you burn in 10 minutes of sprinting while still doing your strength training, right?

    Except not eating slows your metabolism and starves your body, putting it into fat-storing mode. Sprinting and eating keep your metabolism high.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    edited April 2015
    How many calories do you net burn in 10 minutes of sprinting?
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    edited April 2015
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    Jogging for 30 minutes is a lot different than sprinting for 10 minutes. The sprinting will actually burn more calories and utilize more muscle, keeping it preserved.
    So will just not eating however many calories you burn in 10 minutes of sprinting while still doing your strength training, right?

    Except not eating slows your metabolism and starves your body, putting it into fat-storing mode. Sprinting and eating keep your metabolism high.

    No, people wouldn't be able to get lean with intermittent fasting methods then.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    edited April 2015
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    High intensity
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    High intensity cardio is what you need to lose belly fat and keep muscle.

    No. You don't HAVE to institute cardio in order to lose fat.
  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    That all depends on how in shape you are, how old you are, how much you weigh, and how much effort you're giving out. The thing about jogging is that you only burn calories while jogging. HIIT continues to burn calories due to EPOC (excess post-oxygen consumption). Read more about that here: http://www.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_150/198_fitness_tip.html (2 pages)
  • happyfeetrebel1
    happyfeetrebel1 Posts: 1,005 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    Jogging for 30 minutes is a lot different than sprinting for 10 minutes. The sprinting will actually burn more calories and utilize more muscle, keeping it preserved.
    So will just not eating however many calories you burn in 10 minutes of sprinting while still doing your strength training, right?

    Except not eating slows your metabolism and starves your body, putting it into fat-storing mode. Sprinting and eating keep your metabolism high.

    Complete and utter BS

  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    LolBroScience wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    High intensity
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    High intensity cardio is what you need to lose belly fat and keep muscle.

    No. You don't HAVE to institute cardio in order to lose fat.

    No, you don't, but it speeds the process, and it's healthy to engage activities outside of lifting.

  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    happyfeetrebel1 wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    Jogging for 30 minutes is a lot different than sprinting for 10 minutes. The sprinting will actually burn more calories and utilize more muscle, keeping it preserved.
    So will just not eating however many calories you burn in 10 minutes of sprinting while still doing your strength training, right?

    Except not eating slows your metabolism and starves your body, putting it into fat-storing mode. Sprinting and eating keep your metabolism high.

    Complete and utter BS

    Nice scientific explanation with supporting evidence to refute. Keep up the good work.

  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    happyfeetrebel1 wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    Jogging for 30 minutes is a lot different than sprinting for 10 minutes. The sprinting will actually burn more calories and utilize more muscle, keeping it preserved.
    So will just not eating however many calories you burn in 10 minutes of sprinting while still doing your strength training, right?

    Except not eating slows your metabolism and starves your body, putting it into fat-storing mode. Sprinting and eating keep your metabolism high.

    Complete and utter BS

    Nice scientific explanation with supporting evidence to refute. Keep up the good work.

    You made the claim.
  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    There are plenty of articles, if you search for them, that back the claim. Also, there are articles that refute the claim. Based on personal experience, I've found that a lower calorie diet with no exercise has much less of an impact than eating a higher amount of calories with a fair amount of exercise.
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  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    http://www.today.com/id/36834006/ns/today-today_health/t/diet-mistakes-slow-down-your-metabolism/#.VSgLHZPF81Q

    http://www.fitbie.com/lose-weight/tips/10-eating-mistakes-slow-metabolism/tip/1

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/392832-does-not-eating-slow-your-metabolism/

    I could literally find these articles all day long.
  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    High intensity
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    High intensity cardio is what you need to lose belly fat and keep muscle.
    Sorry but that is not true. Caloric deficit takes care of belly fat. Cardio is not necessary for fat loss unless we are talking about someone that is pretty lean trying to get leaner and reducing caloric intake is not right for them.

    Yes, but the OP was interested in preserving muscle as well. A calorie deficit, without proper exercise, also "takes care of" muscle.
  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    I appreciate your effort to help but please let's start talking actual science. I want you to explain to me exactly what the fat storing mode is, what the metabolic process is in our bodies that change resulting in that and where the body pulls the necessary energy to function while in which deficit

    Google it.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    http://www.today.com/id/36834006/ns/today-today_health/t/diet-mistakes-slow-down-your-metabolism/#.VSgLHZPF81Q

    http://www.fitbie.com/lose-weight/tips/10-eating-mistakes-slow-metabolism/tip/1

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/392832-does-not-eating-slow-your-metabolism/

    I could literally find these articles all day long.

    Articles, not reputable sources.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    There are plenty of articles, if you search for them, that back the claim. Also, there are articles that refute the claim. Based on personal experience, I've found that a lower calorie diet with no exercise has much less of an impact than eating a higher amount of calories with a fair amount of exercise.

    It still boils down to energy balance, regardless.
  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    LolBroScience wrote: »

    Articles, not reputable sources.

    Most articles are quoting research studies from reputable sources, such as studies performed by phDs in exercise and nutrition from large and well-known universities.
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  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    LolBroScience wrote: »

    It still boils down to energy balance, regardless.

    Agreed. I was providing an educated opinion of how to achieve a balance while maintaining the OP's interests.
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    LolBroScience wrote: »

    Articles, not reputable sources.

    Most articles are quoting research studies from reputable sources, such as studies performed by phDs in exercise and nutrition from large and well-known universities.

    Funny because the ones you listed do not.
  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    edited April 2015
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    LolBroScience wrote: »

    Articles, not reputable sources.

    Most articles are quoting research studies from reputable sources, such as studies performed by phDs in exercise and nutrition from large and well-known universities.

    None of the ones you posted did.
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  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    I'm going to request you don't tell me to look for articles or link me to random articles, I want you to provide actual science based information to back up your claims.

    Request denied. Do your own research.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    DeguelloTex wrote: »
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    As long as you're doing something at all out effort, it will be fine. Bike, treadmill, stairmaster, punching bag. The 30/60 is a good place to start, working your way to a 60/30 split.
    Wait, is cardio overrated or something that has to be done to lose belly fat?

    Jogging for 30 minutes is a lot different than sprinting for 10 minutes. The sprinting will actually burn more calories and utilize more muscle, keeping it preserved.
    So will just not eating however many calories you burn in 10 minutes of sprinting while still doing your strength training, right?

    Except not eating slows your metabolism and starves your body, putting it into fat-storing mode. Sprinting and eating keep your metabolism high.

    myth.

    if that were true then the starving people in Africa would be obese, because starvation mode...
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    I'm going to request you don't tell me to look for articles or link me to random articles, I want you to provide actual science based information to back up your claims.

    Request denied. Do your own research.

    Take the backlash then I guess...
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  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    RayInMotion wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    I'm going to request you don't tell me to look for articles or link me to random articles, I want you to provide actual science based information to back up your claims.

    Request denied. Do your own research.

    There's a teapot with your name on it orbiting Mars.
  • RayInMotion
    RayInMotion Posts: 89 Member
    LolBroScience wrote: »

    Funny because the ones you listed do not.

    I was merely pointing out how easily it is to find the information. Now that you know it's out there, you can look them up. Those articles posted are written and published by doctors, certified nutrionists and/or CTPs. I usually find that they are educated in their fields and consider them reputable sources.

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