HELP! I'm busting my butt and still gaining!
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donjtomasco wrote: »I am nice am reasonable up till people get mean and vicious narcissistic and make it all about them. Sorry.
no, you are a clown who does not understand anything...-1 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
He has got a point here. I wouldn't be telling my obese neighbour that she can carry on eating the pizza and ice cream and chips and god knows what else she shovels in on a daily basis. Obviously "moderation" is foreign to her, considering how many times a week Dominos et al visit her house...
People like her don't know whats it feels like to eat just one cup of ice cream or 10 chips or whatever.
I know cutting out all the foods you love can lead to binging, but before incorporating these foods back into your diet, you must first learn portion control. There are some people who just don't know how to STOP, my neighbour being one of them
I just think we should look at each persons circumstances before blindly telling them to eat all the junk they want as long as it fits into their calories. I realise this isn't exactly what people mean when they say that, but i can promise you that's how it comes across, especially to people with "selective hearing"
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C297 - well said.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »I am nice am reasonable up till people get mean and vicious narcissistic and make it all about them. Sorry.
Oh, the irony and lack of self-awareness in this post is simply astounding on a level I have rarely seen on the internet.
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christinev297 wrote: »donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
He has got a point here. I wouldn't be telling my obese neighbour that she can carry on eating the pizza and ice cream and chips and god knows what else she shovels in on a daily basis. Obviously "moderation" is foreign to her, considering how many times a week Dominos et al visit her house...
People like her don't know whats it feels like to eat just one cup of ice cream or 10 chips or whatever.
I know cutting out all the foods you love can lead to binging, but before incorporating these foods back into your diet, you must first learn portion control. There are some people who just don't know how to STOP, my neighbour being one of them
I just think we should look at each persons circumstances before blindly telling them to eat all the junk they want as long as it fits into their calories. I realise this isn't exactly what people mean when they say that, but i can promise you that's how it comes across, especially to people with "selective hearing"
I found it completely the opposite; whenever i tried to cut out all those things to 'get myself on track', i ended up going crazy and binging because i felt as if i was missing out and i was putting so much pressure on myself that i wasn't enjoying it. The pressure just led me to starve and make myself ill for fear of eating the wrong thing. Seeing people post that they could still eat a pack of crisps a day or have some ice cream for dessert and lose weight was what finally inspired and motivated me to start eating properly and not feel like i could only lose weight if i was punishing myself. And i love it!
I do realize everyone is different, you just have to find what works for you. And learn what moderation is!0 -
Moma, simmer down. In a post where I commented to try and help, and the poster acknowledged this, some of you just went into attack mode. At some point I had to defend myself since courtesy was not being heard. It seemed that the only way to communicate would be to try and lower myself to your levels. I am sorry that this angers you.0
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christinev297 wrote: »donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
He has got a point here. I wouldn't be telling my obese neighbour that she can carry on eating the pizza and ice cream and chips and god knows what else she shovels in on a daily basis. Obviously "moderation" is foreign to her, considering how many times a week Dominos et al visit her house...
People like her don't know whats it feels like to eat just one cup of ice cream or 10 chips or whatever.
I know cutting out all the foods you love can lead to binging, but before incorporating these foods back into your diet, you must first learn portion control. There are some people who just don't know how to STOP, my neighbour being one of them
I just think we should look at each persons circumstances before blindly telling them to eat all the junk they want as long as it fits into their calories. I realise this isn't exactly what people mean when they say that, but i can promise you that's how it comes across, especially to people with "selective hearing"
Christine,
I don't see where anybody is blindly telling anybody to eat all the junk they want as long as it fits into their calories.
The point is to create a plan that is sustainable for you, which sometimes might include cutting out certain foods until you can learn to moderate. However, there are some of us who cut out certain foods for years and had no success with weight loss, but when that didn't work we started allowing whatever foods we like in our diet and learning on a day-to-day basis how to restrict our portions rather than our food type.
The point is to learn how to make better choices. For me, I'd rather be eating this huge homemade salad with lettuce, tomato, avocado, bacon, currants, chicken, and cheese that I am eating-all 424 calories of it-rather than chips, or cake, or cookies. I'm betting you many of these people who everything in moderation have similar experiences.
And, just because someone chooses to eat what some people might call junk, does not mean that we have the right to tell them not to eat it, because eating junk within anyone else's perception does not mean that person cannot lose weight.
The bottom line is that certain foods will not make you gain weight, it is scientifically impossible to gain weight/fat if you eat at a calorie deficit not matter what foods you eat, and you don't have to cut out any foods to lose weight.
How something comes across is within one's own perception, and I am not responsible for anyone who might have "selective hearing".
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donjtomasco wrote: »Moma, simmer down. In a post where I commented to try and help, and the poster acknowledged this, some of you just went into attack mode. At some point I had to defend myself since courtesy was not being heard. It seemed that the only way to communicate would be to try and lower myself to your levels. I am sorry that this angers you.
It must be nice to live in a world where you do no wrong and can be a complete clown without even knowing it ...0 -
NoIdea101NoIdea wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
He has got a point here. I wouldn't be telling my obese neighbour that she can carry on eating the pizza and ice cream and chips and god knows what else she shovels in on a daily basis. Obviously "moderation" is foreign to her, considering how many times a week Dominos et al visit her house...
People like her don't know whats it feels like to eat just one cup of ice cream or 10 chips or whatever.
I know cutting out all the foods you love can lead to binging, but before incorporating these foods back into your diet, you must first learn portion control. There are some people who just don't know how to STOP, my neighbour being one of them
I just think we should look at each persons circumstances before blindly telling them to eat all the junk they want as long as it fits into their calories. I realise this isn't exactly what people mean when they say that, but i can promise you that's how it comes across, especially to people with "selective hearing"
I found it completely the opposite; whenever i tried to cut out all those things to 'get myself on track', i ended up going crazy and binging because i felt as if i was missing out and i was putting so much pressure on myself that i wasn't enjoying it. The pressure just led me to starve and make myself ill for fear of eating the wrong thing. Seeing people post that they could still eat a pack of crisps a day or have some ice cream for dessert and lose weight was what finally inspired and motivated me to start eating properly and not feel like i could only lose weight if i was punishing myself. And i love it!
I do realize everyone is different, you just have to find what works for you. And learn what moderation is!
I sort of found it liberating when I realized my weight problem was due to eating too much food and not in any way connected to food type. 0 -
MFP is the first of many attempts where I have actually lost weight.0
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christinev297 wrote: »donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
He has got a point here. I wouldn't be telling my obese neighbour that she can carry on eating the pizza and ice cream and chips and god knows what else she shovels in on a daily basis. Obviously "moderation" is foreign to her, considering how many times a week Dominos et al visit her house...
People like her don't know whats it feels like to eat just one cup of ice cream or 10 chips or whatever.
I know cutting out all the foods you love can lead to binging, but before incorporating these foods back into your diet, you must first learn portion control. There are some people who just don't know how to STOP, my neighbour being one of them
I just think we should look at each persons circumstances before blindly telling them to eat all the junk they want as long as it fits into their calories. I realise this isn't exactly what people mean when they say that, but i can promise you that's how it comes across, especially to people with "selective hearing"
Christine,
I don't see where anybody is blindly telling anybody to eat all the junk they want as long as it fits into their calories.
The point is to create a plan that is sustainable for you, which sometimes might include cutting out certain foods until you can learn to moderate. However, there are some of us who cut out certain foods for years and had no success with weight loss, but when that didn't work we started allowing whatever foods we like in our diet and learning on a day-to-day basis how to restrict our portions rather than our food type.
The point is to learn how to make better choices. For me, I'd rather be eating this huge homemade salad with lettuce, tomato, avocado, bacon, currants, chicken, and cheese that I am eating-all 424 calories of it-rather than chips, or cake, or cookies. I'm betting you many of these people who everything in moderation have similar experiences.
And, just because someone chooses to eat what some people might call junk, does not mean that we have the right to tell them not to eat it, because eating junk within anyone else's perception does not mean that person cannot lose weight.
The bottom line is that certain foods will not make you gain weight, it is scientifically impossible to gain weight/fat if you eat at a calorie deficit not matter what foods you eat, and you don't have to cut out any foods to lose weight.
How something comes across is within one's own perception, and I am not responsible for anyone who might have "selective hearing".
I completely get where you're coming from. There are always 2 sides to a coin
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Ndj, who said I do no wrong? Pretty assumptive on your part. I do plenty wrong and deal with adversity with humor. Just a choice that works for me. I just don't take myself too seriously.0
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Well done on reflecting back on your diary & accepting what you have been doing rather than continue on & say "I really don't know why or what I'm doing wrong" like a lot of people do. Good luck with staying focused 0
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emily, you bettin with me or against me? 0
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The best way I have found to lose weight is to meal plan for the week and weigh carbs and meats (i quite often put extra low calorie veggies in my meals to bulk the meal up so I feel fuller).
Make a plan of healthy average 300 calorie meals for breakfast, lunch and dinner and have 2-3 snacks around 150 calories. Some snack ideas - "a sml skinny cappuccino (80 cal) and a mini low carb protein bar (100 cals)" or a "museli bar (150 cals) and diet coke", "fruit (about 100 cals)" - find the snack you like/ works for you to not get hungry till your next meal. Do this often and you will get a good sense of what 300/150 calories looks like. There are heaps of tasty meals on the internet under 300 calories.
Do a weekly grocery shop to have all of the the food for your meals at home - don't buy takeout, it is so hard to lose weight if you eat out!!!!!! Meals often have 500 plus calories and it's easy to get the drink, chips/side as well - it can really add up.
Don't buy junk food and don't have it in your house - especially if when you have it, it triggers you to eat a lot of it/can't stop at one. Chuck junk food in the bin, that's right the bin. NO your mouth is not a bin! So there is no temptation. Get your family on your side - if they can manage their weight, they can buy junk food when they go out - it's hard not to give in to temptation if everyone around you is eating tempting foods and you have salad.0 -
oh and I know that fitness pal minuses exercise from calories but seriously, walking and "busting your butt" unfortunately isn't a huge number of calories.
Doing exercise is not an excuse to eat more which sometimes can happen. Don't get me wrong, exercise is so good for you, it can be motivating to eat healthy as "why would i do all do that hard work and exercise if I am just going to eat extra and not lose weight".
Nutrition is the most important -exercise is the cherry on top.0 -
Yeah a big thing for me is to not have irresistible foods in the house to begin with....
Chips- I can't have just one handful
Ice cream- I buy single serves instead of big tubs.
Peanut butter cups- forget it! I'd eat them out the bottom of the trash can
so I'll now buy a pack of two once a week, not 5 or 6 packs and lying to myself that I'll make them last a couple of weeks pppffffttt
Above all. Do NOT go grocery shopping when you've got the munchies
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donjtomasco wrote: »Moma, simmer down. In a post where I commented to try and help, and the poster acknowledged this, some of you just went into attack mode. At some point I had to defend myself since courtesy was not being heard. It seemed that the only way to communicate would be to try and lower myself to your levels. I am sorry that this angers you.
Angered? By you? Hardly. I've read the thread but haven't commented much.
Your version of events and what actually happened is... divergent.
Nonetheless, in an attempt to get this dumpster fire back on topic, here's the point.
Right now, the OP is still taking baby steps. One thing at a time. If you go back, I made a post earlier that addressed some of what you're talking about.
Part of what's happening is that you are missing some of what other people are saying.
Step back from the OP's diary for a minute. I'm going to use what I ate today for an example. I had cottage cheese with pumpkin and almonds for breakfast, a protein shake with strawberries for a snack, protein pasta with zucchini and peppers for my main meal, and Greek yogurt with raspberries and almonds for a light dinner. I topped my day off with a brownie.
In the context of my overall "healthy" day, that little treat of the brownie at the end was just fine.
Right now, the OP is learning to restrict her calories. That's a big first step. She's already said that she was eating more "junk" in the past week because she was visiting her parents. You're beating up a strawman by claiming that anyone is arguing that someone should eat a diet full of "junk".
The truth of the matter is that what every poster here, including jane, is saying, is that in the context of an otherwise balanced diet, treats and even the occasional fast food meal do not a "bad diet" make.
You're willfully misunderstanding the advice other people are giving the OP.
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A treat meal once per week or a little dessert every now and again are okay - it's just when it becomes everyday, in huge amounts and overeating calories. It's your lifestyle and it's gotta work for you to be sustainable - There's no point in losing weight and then going back to old eating habits and putting it back on!
I know if I have little packets of chips in my house, I can eat two or three packets in a binge frenzy. If you can stop at one pack and keep within your calories - go for it.
I have gotten to know my "trigger foods". If I just have them when I am at someone else's house every now and again, it's okay. If I keep them at home - game over!0 -
molokaitan wrote: »A treat meal once per week or a little dessert every now and again are okay - it's just when it becomes everyday, in huge amounts and overeating calories. It's your lifestyle and it's gotta work for you to be sustainable - There's no point in losing weight and then going back to old eating habits and putting it back on!
I know if I have little packets of chips in my house, I can eat two or three packets in a binge frenzy. If you can stop at one pack and keep within your calories - go for it.
I have gotten to know my "trigger foods". If I just have them when I am at someone else's house every now and again, it's okay. If I keep them at home - game over!
Time might heal you of that.
I conquered my last trigger food today
That brownie I mentioned above? Big victory for me. I used to not be able to stop myself. I had myself disciplined to the point of only ever eating them out at the diner, but I've learned so much about myself and my relationship with food throughout the process of losing my first 31 pounds that I felt ready to try.
I ate one, and the rest are safe in the kitchen (only because my husband's too sick to have any of them too!).
But back to the point you're making, and to a point I made earlier, it's all about taking things in steps sometimes.
I cut out all sweets for YEARS. Then I'd either buy them in single servings or have them at restaurants.
And it was only certain ones.
And now I've baked my own home made brownies and portioned one out, ate a single serving, and am satisfied.
It took many years, but it can be done.
BTW, I'm pretty confident that the brownies will hold up. I conquered another food trigger last week when I ate a single serving of caramel popcorn with nuts. The bag is still sitting in the pantry, waiting for me to eat another serving when I can fit it into my day. That would have NEVER happened even six months ago.
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See, you've got it down. You know your limits, all the while without demonizing trigger foods. I am proud of you!molokaitan wrote: »A treat meal once per week or a little dessert every now and again are okay - it's just when it becomes everyday, in huge amounts and overeating calories. It's your lifestyle and it's gotta work for you to be sustainable - There's no point in losing weight and then going back to old eating habits and putting it back on!
I know if I have little packets of chips in my house, I can eat two or three packets in a binge frenzy. If you can stop at one pack and keep within your calories - go for it.
I have gotten to know my "trigger foods". If I just have them when I am at someone else's house every now and again, it's okay. If I keep them at home - game over!
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Eat one, then give the rest away or put them in your freezer for visitors!0
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Mama, great job!!!0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Ndj, who said I do no wrong? Pretty assumptive on your part. I do plenty wrong and deal with adversity with humor. Just a choice that works for me. I just don't take myself too seriously.
That is based on your previous comments in this thread and then your ridiculous denials of said statements0 -
Well that is just ridiculous.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »I am nice am reasonable up till people get mean and vicious narcissistic and make it all about them. Sorry.
I have been just reading...not commenting.
Honestly...you have been just as vicious...narcissistic...and all about you and your thoughts on food.
Personally...I don't care how someone else eats...no matter the advice one receives...we are adults and can/should...make those choices for ourselves.
...and yes...I like the dot...dot...dot...
It is exercise for my fingers!
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Thank you for your opinion and input Annie!!!0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Thank you for your opinion and input Annie!!!
Oh, she isn't an angry woman who wants to argue that you plan to pray for?
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Bad night jelly?0
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