HELP! I'm busting my butt and still gaining!
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donjtomasco wrote: »Jelly, I may be wrong, but I think if the wrong foods are eaten while even at a deficit a person can gain weight. I have read on here too many times from women that there are many factors that can contribute to women adding weight temporarily just due to the gender. Add to that a day or two of breads, sweets and chips and you have a formula for "potential" weight gain. The OP did not (or else I missed it) mention how long she has been gaining, or if she has had up and down weight days, or how long she has been at this. Just a few days of flat scale results or an uptick can wreak havoc on the psychie and motivation.
I was doing pretty well, then went to eat some "healthy fish" at a mexican food restaurant and ate a bunch of the tortilla chips. The sodium that I downed caused me to retain water and my weight went up. Add to that the fact that I was making sandwiches (using whole wheat bread) but thought I was fine since they were smoked salmon sandwiches. Then people on MFP told me that even wheat bread can have a negative effect. So......I went to a health food type grocery store and bought some bread that was so much healthier (yes I looked at the lable to check the ingredients).
Until people get their bearings on how all of this works it is a minefield. I think we can all agree on that.
It took days for my weight gain (scale weight) to recover from my tortilla chip festival. I would bet that the OP will see the same thing happen with her since she is on the right track and is exercising. This is a bumpy road but there are rewards to continuing to fine tune here and there what she and all of us are doing.
If you're talking about water retention, that can absolutely be influenced by food choices. But you can't truly gain weight while eating at a deficit.
Since the OP hasn't said if she is talking about a temporary fluctuation (due to water weight) or a sustained gain, I think it's premature to tell her to avoid bread, processed food, or fast food. If she dropped these foods, she may lose a few pounds of water weight. However, if she is eating excess calories, addressing the water weight isn't going to provide lasting help to her.
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janejellyroll wrote: »donjtomasco wrote: »Jelly, I may be wrong, but I think if the wrong foods are eaten while even at a deficit a person can gain weight. I have read on here too many times from women that there are many factors that can contribute to women adding weight temporarily just due to the gender. Add to that a day or two of breads, sweets and chips and you have a formula for "potential" weight gain. The OP did not (or else I missed it) mention how long she has been gaining, or if she has had up and down weight days, or how long she has been at this. Just a few days of flat scale results or an uptick can wreak havoc on the psychie and motivation.
I was doing pretty well, then went to eat some "healthy fish" at a mexican food restaurant and ate a bunch of the tortilla chips. The sodium that I downed caused me to retain water and my weight went up. Add to that the fact that I was making sandwiches (using whole wheat bread) but thought I was fine since they were smoked salmon sandwiches. Then people on MFP told me that even wheat bread can have a negative effect. So......I went to a health food type grocery store and bought some bread that was so much healthier (yes I looked at the lable to check the ingredients).
Until people get their bearings on how all of this works it is a minefield. I think we can all agree on that.
It took days for my weight gain (scale weight) to recover from my tortilla chip festival. I would bet that the OP will see the same thing happen with her since she is on the right track and is exercising. This is a bumpy road but there are rewards to continuing to fine tune here and there what she and all of us are doing.
If you're talking about water retention, that can absolutely be influenced by food choices. But you can't truly gain weight while eating at a deficit.
Since the OP hasn't said if she is talking about a temporary fluctuation (due to water weight) or a sustained gain, I think it's premature to tell her to avoid bread, processed food, or fast food. If she dropped these foods, she may lose a few pounds of water weight. However, if she is eating excess calories, addressing the water weight isn't going to provide lasting help to her.
Indeed.
OP, I think it's great that you realized where you could improve. Best of luck to you!0 -
Well based on that logic then keep eating candy and roll ups and cheeseburgers and chips as long as you are at a calorie deficit? I think your logic is a little flawed Jelly.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Well based on that logic then keep eating candy and roll ups and cheeseburgers and chips as long as you are at a calorie deficit? I think your logic is a little flawed Jelly.
It's true. Because physics. If the calories you burn are more than the calories you eat, you will burn fat instead. No matter WHAT those calories are (because a calorie is a unit of energy and 1=1=1)
For weight loss, you *can* eat whatever you want as long as you're in a deficit, you'll lose weight.
For health, obviously you want to make nutrition a priority.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Well based on that logic then keep eating candy and roll ups and cheeseburgers and chips as long as you are at a calorie deficit? I think your logic is a little flawed Jelly.
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has lost 60+ pounds while still eating candy (had a Cadbury creme egg today, yum), chips, and delicious cheeseburgers. Also, bread, rice, and other unfairly shamed starches. There is nothing wrong with those foods and you can still lose weight while eating them. Moderation, balance, and careful tracking.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Well based on that logic then keep eating candy and roll ups and cheeseburgers and chips as long as you are at a calorie deficit? I think your logic is a little flawed Jelly.
That's exactly right.
I've had candy and a cheeseburger and chips in the past week. I am still losing weight. Cheeseburgers are great, so long as they fit in your calories...
CICO, my friend, CICO.
OP- I'm impressed how well you handled criticism and reevaluating your habits. You'll do just fine once you tighten up the logging and stick with it. Just remember, weight loss isn't linear.
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Are you going to offer the OP up some real advice or strickly tell her that she can eat crap food all day and "just lose weight" as long as she is at a deficit?
Yes, you and jelly are "RIGHT". Maybe this is how you guys lose weight, but I am offering up to OP that adding healthier foods and maintaining her deficit while exercising is maybe a little wiser advice then "just losing weight" no matter what she is eating.
WOW!!!!0 -
No one is telling her to just eat junk all day. They're simply saying that nothing needs to be eliminated. Cutting out bread (or anything else) is of no benefit to her if she's eating reasonably well and in a deficit. It's just unnecessary.0
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I bow out. You all have a lot of fun with your "healthy" dieting.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Are you going to offer the OP up some real advice or strickly tell her that she can eat shi* food all day and "just lose weight" as long as she is at a deficit?
Yes, you and jelly are "RIGHT". Maybe this is how you guys lose weight, but I am offering up to OP that adding healthier foods and maintaining her deficit while exercising is maybe a little wiser advice then "just losing weight" no matter what she is eating.
WOW!!!!
I mean, no one told her to ONLY eat cheeseburgers. No one would ever tell her that. But you can and should include foods you enjoy in a overall healthy balanced diet. When you assign moral value to the type of food you eat you introduce a lot of guilt and extra stress into a very simple process.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Are you going to offer the OP up some real advice or strickly tell her that she can eat shi* food all day and "just lose weight" as long as she is at a deficit?
Yes, you and jelly are "RIGHT". Maybe this is how you guys lose weight, but I am offering up to OP that adding healthier foods and maintaining her deficit while exercising is maybe a little wiser advice then "just losing weight" no matter what she is eating.
WOW!!!!
You need to take it down a notch
It is important for people to know they can still incorperate their favorite foods in moderation into a healthy diet. Trying to cut out everything you love right off the bat is one of the biggest reasons people fail when they "diet".Well based on that logic then keep eating candy and roll ups and cheeseburgers and chips as long as you are at a calorie deficit?
What is so bad about a cheeseburger anyways. It can really be a healthy and blanced meal (got carbs, fat, and protein all wrapped into one).
Chips are a great carb/fat source if you balance them with protein.
Candy can be incorperated as a treat on top of a healthy diet.
Why are all these foods so "evil" to you?
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Yes you can twist and resay anything that I said in order for you to be right. Your glasses are reading things that were not written. But finally I read you typing something that makes some sense now to the OP (in your last message). Thank you for finally agreeing to a little bit of what I offered up, in a "moral" way. Morality? Really? Hangry today?0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Yes you can twist and resay anything that I said in order for you to be right. Your glasses are reading things that were not written. But finally I read you typing something that makes some sense now to the OP (in your last message). Thank you for finally agreeing to a little bit of what I offered up, in a "moral" way. Morality? Really? Hangry today?
The only one who seems "hangry" in this thread is yourself.0 -
OP already said she does not want sugar coated and toned down suggestions. It sounds to me like she is here to "weigh" what members have to say and wants honest opinions and suggestions.0
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Nobody told her to eat what you define as "*kitten*" food all day long. I did say balance, moderation, and careful tracking. That is real advice, and is certainly more realistic than saying that one must give up those things or shame any foods.
Stick around long enough or visit the success pages. Most people there have, do, and will continue to enjoy those foods in light of balance, moderation, and careful tracking.
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donjtomasco wrote: »OP already said she does not want sugar coated and toned down suggestions. It sounds to me like she is here to "weigh" what members have to say and wants honest opinions and suggestions.
She already got the very best advice she can get. Use a food scale and make sure you're in that deficit.
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Don, don't make this thread about you, please. That's not helping the OP.
OP, I'll add to the voices recommending a food scale.
Regarding the composition of your diet?
If, at some point down the line, you start to feel more hungry and dissatisfied with the amount of food you get to eat for the calories, THEN you can start to look at maybe incorporating a few more foods from the outside aisles of the grocery store and a few less restaurant meals and pre-prepared items.
You'll get more food for your caloric buck that way.0 -
OP - sounds like you have already solved the problem.
I would highly recommend getting a food scale and weight all solid foods and as many liquids as possible...0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Yes you can twist and resay anything that I said in order for you to be right. Your glasses are reading things that were not written. But finally I read you typing something that makes some sense now to the OP (in your last message). Thank you for finally agreeing to a little bit of what I offered up, in a "moral" way. Morality? Really? Hangry today?
you are the only hangry person in this thread.
you took what another poster said and totally took it out of context.
No one in this thread is advocating a diet of 100% donuts, or any of the other things that you listed.
The advice was that OP should start logging accurately before restricting whole food groups..0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Yes you can twist and resay anything that I said in order for you to be right. Your glasses are reading things that were not written. But finally I read you typing something that makes some sense now to the OP (in your last message). Thank you for finally agreeing to a little bit of what I offered up, in a "moral" way. Morality? Really? Hangry today?
I'm never hangry because I eat moderate amounts of the kinds of food I want and log every bite. I'm actually quite happy about the whole thing.
It's great that you recommend that people eat more fruits and veggies. Everyone should, except for Freelee, but it's okay to eat wheat bread, too. And it's okay to have beef and cheese between those slices of bread. Food isn't "good" or "bad," it's just fuel for us to be able to go do other awesome things.0 -
Sorry, it appears this is a women's only thread. Of course ladies, you all are 100% right and what I said was 100% wrong. I think that is what you are wanting me to say. I am happy that the OP seemed to appreciate "all" the comments. This is not about me, this is about other people being hell bent on being right. I commented for the benefit of the OP and she said she was not hear to be coddled. So, whatever ladies.-12
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Out of all the atticles I've read a lot of them say that you don't have to change what your eating you just can't over indulge. Others saying that you shouldn't "diet" that you should change your lifestyle. I absolutely love eating my fruits and vegetables but with Easter just passing and eating at my parents instead of my own place where there is healthier foods I have slipped up some. With a mix of the two I try eating what I like just portioning it but trying to pick healthier options when grocery shopping also. Although I am working on what I eat I'm focusing a little more on my exercising. I have a desk job and am not very active durring the day but this week I have already walked 9.5 miles and still going.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Sorry, it appears this is a women's only thread. Of course ladies, you all are 100% right and what I said was 100% wrong. I think that is what you are wanting me to say. I am happy that the OP seemed to appreciate "all" the comments. This is not about me, this is about other people being hell bent on being right. I commented for the benefit of the OP and she said she was not hear to be coddled. So, whatever ladies.
Wow someone got out of the wrong side of bed this morning0 -
Showe53188 wrote: »Out of all the atticles I've read a lot of them say that you don't have to change what your eating you just can't over indulge. Others saying that you shouldn't "diet" that you should change your lifestyle. I absolutely love eating my fruits and vegetables but with Easter just passing and eating at my parents instead of my own place where there is healthier foods I have slipped up some. With a mix of the two I try eating what I like just portioning it but trying to pick healthier options when grocery shopping also. Although I am working on what I eat I'm focusing a little more on my exercising. I have a desk job and am not very active durring the day but this week I have already walked 9.5 miles and still going.
You have the right idea, for sure! As long as you know, to the best of your knowledge, what's in your food and that it fits your calorie and macro goals, you'll do fine. It's a matter of weighing and logging everything and using the most accurate database entries so you have the clearest picture of what's going in.
If you are tracking your walking miles, you should join the monthly running challenge thread under the Fitness and Exercise forum. All levels of runners and walkers and the most supportive group I've ever seen on MFP.0 -
Showe53188 wrote: »Out of all the atticles I've read a lot of them say that you don't have to change what your eating you just can't over indulge. Others saying that you shouldn't "diet" that you should change your lifestyle. I absolutely love eating my fruits and vegetables but with Easter just passing and eating at my parents instead of my own place where there is healthier foods I have slipped up some. With a mix of the two I try eating what I like just portioning it but trying to pick healthier options when grocery shopping also. Although I am working on what I eat I'm focusing a little more on my exercising. I have a desk job and am not very active durring the day but this week I have already walked 9.5 miles and still going.
Sounds like you're on the right track! I am always striving to eat "better" for my own sake. But "a little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men." 0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Sorry, it appears this is a women's only thread. Of course ladies, you all are 100% right and what I said was 100% wrong. I think that is what you are wanting me to say. I am happy that the OP seemed to appreciate "all" the comments. This is not about me, this is about other people being hell bent on being right. I commented for the benefit of the OP and she said she was not hear to be coddled. So, whatever ladies.
What does being a woman have to do with anything?
And are you really confusing ndj1979 with a female? Really?0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Sorry, it appears this is a women's only thread. Of course ladies, you all are 100% right and what I said was 100% wrong. I think that is what you are wanting me to say. I am happy that the OP seemed to appreciate "all" the comments. This is not about me, this is about other people being hell bent on being right. I commented for the benefit of the OP and she said she was not hear to be coddled. So, whatever ladies.
I think you should take a nice, calming walk. You're getting way too riled up. Reeeelaaaaax.
OP, you seem to have the right mind set...no point in depriving yourself of yummy easter treats...but you have to keep track because those calories do creep up!0 -
everybody is going to take a guess but there is only 1 correct answer.
here are the 11 most common reasons and I assure you that the answer you seek is listed
http://www.acaloriecounter.com/blog/why-am-i-not-losing-weight/
This article is the best thing ever, I'm going to refer one or two people to it the next time they ask me for the millionth time why they aren't losing weight when I am....
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Your honesty is the first hurdle and you have now overcome that. /You also have a support system here. Eat healthily, log accurately & do some type of work out each day & the results will reward you. I used to play a game to make sure that each day I was under the macros & I lost 1-2 lbs per week steadily & lost 50 pounds in 26 weeks. You can do it too if you set your mind to it & are honest about it. It's all in how badly you want to see results.0
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michellesz wrote: »Your honesty is the first hurdle and you have now overcome that. /You also have a support system here. Eat healthily, log accurately & do some type of work out each day & the results will reward you. I used to play a game to make sure that each day I was under the macros & I lost 1-2 lbs per week steadily & lost 50 pounds in 26 weeks. You can do it too if you set your mind to it & are honest about it. It's all in how badly you want to see results.
I'm interested in hearing about what the game is. Lately I've just been trying to walk about 2+ miles per day but I'm afraid it'll get boring eventually0
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