HELP! I'm busting my butt and still gaining!
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Showe53188 wrote: »Out of all the atticles I've read a lot of them say that you don't have to change what your eating you just can't over indulge. Others saying that you shouldn't "diet" that you should change your lifestyle. I absolutely love eating my fruits and vegetables but with Easter just passing and eating at my parents instead of my own place where there is healthier foods I have slipped up some. With a mix of the two I try eating what I like just portioning it but trying to pick healthier options when grocery shopping also. Although I am working on what I eat I'm focusing a little more on my exercising. I have a desk job and am not very active durring the day but this week I have already walked 9.5 miles and still going.
I went from low-fat, sugar-free, low carb to eating all the foods I love. I've lost 44 pounds and have been maintaining for over a year.
I just eat nutrient dense foods most of the time, and add in sweets and other food at lower proportions. Sometimes I go over on the not so nutrient dense foods, though, but I no longer beat myself up over it and see myself as a failure.
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I looked at your diary. I haven't read a lot of the conversation, so this might have already been addressed, but it appears you don't weigh your food.
Some might not agree with this, but it sounds like your "walking the dog" is something you do every day and not really cardio. If so, I would not count the smaller ones in your cardio burns (for example, 18 minutes of walking does not burn over 100 calories, or even 80, but more like 20). The calorie burns in the MFP database are way overestimated. You would count things were you are sweating and have your heart rate up, such as brisk long walks, jogging, gym machines. You would not actually count weight lifting either, because it's too difficult to get the actual calorie count.
That said, what is your activity level set at?0 -
Really Maggie? Good to know that now. Thank you.0
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Lol atsmith.
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Eating a lot of foods that don't satiate us can lead to eating more food than we realize because we are not staying as full, therefore it stops weight loss or we eat to the point where we gain.
But although the root cause would be lack of satiety, the problem would be failing to eat at a deficit. And Don has said that one could gain weight, even at a deficit, while eating the "wrong" foods.
I think most successful calorie counters have learned how to make adjustments for satiety or to fuel their fitness goals (if they exercise). This has nothing to do with the assertion that eating a cheeseburger or some candy is going to keep you from losing weight (if eating at a deficit). I imagine many (if not most) successful calorie counters also include typically "forbidden" foods in their lives.
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Thanks herspoon. I appreciate you critique, your support and your astute contribution.0
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Yes jelly, most successful calorie counters most likely have. Lol, that was a funny one. But how about the unsuccessful calorie counters who will be so happy to read in this thread the unanimous support of eating chips and candy, ice cream and whatever makes you feel good?0
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Most successful budget minded people who work hard to make and save money and invest wisely don't fave financial problems. but a majority of Americans are both overweight and cash strapped or in debt over their heads. 0
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herrspoons wrote: »donjtomasco wrote: »You women just seem to like to argue, and what you are saying about this junk food being fine as part of a long and short term diet plan just defies good sense. I just hope new readers realize that you are all arguing emotionally just to be right. You all sound so angry. I will say a prayer for you all.
Sexist and clueless. Great mixture, champ.
Jimminey Crickets, I didn't read enough to read the part I put in bold.
You know, Don, comments like that are completely uncalled for. You are the one who sounds like you want to be right, and you indeed come across as sexist and clueless.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Eating a lot of foods that don't satiate us can lead to eating more food than we realize because we are not staying as full, therefore it stops weight loss or we eat to the point where we gain.
But although the root cause would be lack of satiety, the problem would be failing to eat at a deficit. And Don has said that one could gain weight, even at a deficit, while eating the "wrong" foods.
I think most successful calorie counters have learned how to make adjustments for satiety or to fuel their fitness goals (if they exercise). This has nothing to do with the assertion that eating a cheeseburger or some candy is going to keep you from losing weight (if eating at a deficit). I imagine many (if not most) successful calorie counters also include typically "forbidden" foods in their lives.
No, it's scientifically impossible to gain weight while at a deficit.
I allow everything in my diet that I love, I just use portion control and moderation.0 -
Thank you runner. I appreciate your kind contribution and support. Well said and well done. -2
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donjtomasco wrote: »Yes jelly, most successful calorie counters most likely have. Lol, that was a funny one. But how about the unsuccessful calorie counters who will be so happy to read in this thread the unanimous support of eating chips and candy, ice cream and whatever makes you feel good?
Wow, I didn't I didn't know where you were coming from after all, but now I do. You're talking black and white.
From what I see, others are talking gray area. How about the concept of eating foods you love in moderation, not eating unlimited amounts. Extremes are never good.
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donjtomasco wrote: »Thank you runner. I appreciate your kind contribution and support. Well said and well done.
Well, I don't support you when it comes to your black and white language, or the fact that you find the need to put women down. That's pretty low in my book.
The only thing I agree with is eating a balanced diet, and now I'm not even sure that's what you were saying.
You need to go back to school and learn some decent manners.
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Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.0
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Herspoon, I am not much of a cook, but I do the grocery shopping, laundry and cleaning. Are you wanting me to heat up some oatmeal for you? That I can do and would be glad to do.
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donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
That's certainly not what you said.
By the way, it was only when I let go of a restricted-food diet that I was able to start losing weight. Restricting food type instead of food intake led to some pretty big problems for me.
So, I will encourage others by sharing my experience, even if it comes across as gloating. You do not have to restrict food choice in order to lose weight, unless you have a problem of not being able to eat only a portion of that food. Then restricting it until you learn to moderate it is a grand idea.0 -
Sorry Runner, my flax seed must be taking over.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
You are ridiculous.
I've already said that I've lost 75 pounds doing just this - the ENTIRE time. I'm literally living proof that the advice being given is solid and doable. My BMI was 38 - obese. It's now 26. I have seven pounds left until I'm in a "healthy" weight range. And I will reach my goal because I allow myself to eat food I enjoy, while meeting my body's nutritional needs.
But you keep ignoring everything I say, because I don't fit into your little box.
And it's not gloating to tell someone that they can be successful while continuing to eat the foods they enjoy in reasonable amounts. It's an attempt to help. And I will be forever thankful for those that gave me the exact advice when I started on here. I would not be where I am right now without that knowledge.0 -
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Can someone please take that bloody gun off him and just finish him off good and proper.....He has left this thread more times than *kitten* drops her knickers on a nightshift......geeez.......get a bloody life mate......your not helping the OP at all......everyone is in agreement about it.......eat good....but have something naughty now and then......if you can't agree on that then you should not be allowed to own guns.......-2
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donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
Don, you have really derailed this thread into an argument where there shouldn't be one. to say that we have all encouraged this food intake? Reply 1: questions. Reply 2: track every mouthful. Reply 3: Log accurately, be in a deficit. Reply 4: weigh your food. Reply 5: deficit. and OP's reply: realizes not logging accurately. Next reply: log accurately. Next reply: You're eating too much... and so on.
Secondly, you've insulted women not just once, but twice. Pull your head out of your behind, it's not just women disagreeing with you.0 -
Can someone please take that bloody gun off him and just finish him off good and proper.....He has left this thread more times than *kitten* drops her knickers on a nightshift......geeez.......get a bloody life mate......your not helping the OP at all......everyone is in agreement about it.......eat good....but have something naughty now and then......if you can't agree on that then you should not be allowed to own guns.......
Whoa! My gosh, what is up with these type of remarks?0 -
Can someone please take that bloody gun off him and just finish him off good and proper.....He has left this thread more times than *kitten* drops her knickers on a nightshift......geeez.......get a bloody life mate......your not helping the OP at all......everyone is in agreement about it.......eat good....but have something naughty now and then......if you can't agree on that then you should not be allowed to own guns.......
Whoa! My gosh, what is up with these type of remarks?
Its called a joke......0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
I did this from day one. In fact, allowing myself to eat "whatever I want" is what finally got me on track. I was so caught up in the dozens of arbitrary and often conflicting "rules" that I didn't know what to do. It was when I said, "Forget it, I am just counting calories and not worrying about the rest," that I began to lose weight.
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Can someone please take that bloody gun off him and just finish him off good and proper.....He has left this thread more times than *kitten* drops her knickers on a nightshift......geeez.......get a bloody life mate......your not helping the OP at all......everyone is in agreement about it.......eat good....but have something naughty now and then......if you can't agree on that then you should not be allowed to own guns.......
Whoa! My gosh, what is up with these type of remarks?
Its called a joke......
Mmmm....
Not really, mate.
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atypicalsmith wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »OP....scales are a must......number 1 priority is to weigh food and log EVERYTHING....even if it does embarrass you.....that aspect is one of the things that keep me on track and some others I know....so the open diary...and people that will keep you in line are very helpful too.......
But at the end of the day...unless you know what your putting in then you cannot get a handle on your issues.....
Start from the beginning again......buy some scale...and a note pad.....write everything down you eat.....have a little one in your pocket / handbag etc to log when out........log drinks.......tea / coffee / but definitely soda.........that can be a real eye opener to newbies....
Weigh Butter you put on bread too...that can be more than you think...also condiments...I can empty a full bottle of sauce on a plate of chips or with a steak......again a realy eye opener once you see whats in it......
Eat your normal food for a week or 3 and log it fully.....close your dairy for this time if its that bad in reality...but its that time and data collection that really does help you to understand what you actually eat in a day........
Then you can work out what can be done to fix it.....change one meal a day for a week or 3 again.....(I like a week or 3 a lot BTW)..........then do anther.......you will soon learn that eating 3 slices of toast for breakfast give you too much for not long filling....you might find muesli, porridge or cereals are better at filling you....and are the same or less in calories.....you will see that your Saturday night take away (this is my life story I am recanting....as I do not know your situation)is not worth starving yourself all day for so you change your mind set on meals.....taking you healthy without knowing it.....that's what's happened for me.....
Planning is also one of the best things to do.......if you know you want a weekend treat...or a bottle of wine / beer or 3.......then add it before hand.......and then try plan meals you usually eat around that....you will find again your then searching for filling foods rather than treaty types etc...
I also advise to take it slowly....its taken yrs (many yrs for me) to get in the state we find ourselves...so we are not going to fix it overnights......set short term goals that are achievable.....but also long term goal as well...something to aim for...but the short term ones also keep you motivated.....
Its hard work....you have won the first fight with your attitude and your realisation of lack of accuracy.....I am a data nerd...so I am very anal that all data should be as near perfect as it can be.....
for me.......after 2 months of very slow loss.....4lbs instead of the 14 lbs predict.....I was also like WTF......so I went a bit mental.......bought a fit bit...read every fitness / nutritional article / forum page possible,.........it can get in your head.....the thing for me that stops the complete mental breakdown over it all is accurate data.....not sure if I have mentioned that before....lol.....
I would recommend a activity tracker if you can afford one...I have a fitbit charge HR...and I love it....it tells me what I have done in a day...better than any treadmill...or MFP app.....there are many around that sync with MFP....and can really help with understanding the things you need to change....
Good luck with it...hope you can find your groove....
It's easier to type one comma or one period rather than several periods. Or is this part of your exercise plan?
do you ever have anything of substance to contribute?
Frequently. Do you?
maybe you would be better off on My Grammar Pal instead of My Fitness Pal ..
and based on your posting history, no you don't.
You're just jealous
jealous….no, I don't get jealous of things that lurk below me….
amusing would be a better term …well, I can think of a better one, but I won't lower myself to your level.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Well if you are already fit and trim and have full control of your body and diet Runner, then sure, mix in some fun stuff. But when a person is struggling and has no foundation yet and can't get a grip on what you and other veteran fitness dietician on this thread has, I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
I did this from day one. In fact, allowing myself to eat "whatever I want" is what finally got me on track. I was so caught up in the dozens of arbitrary and often conflicting "rules" that I didn't know what to do. It was when I said, "Forget it, I am just counting calories and not worrying about the rest," that I began to lose weight.
Same here.
I lived with food restriction and the "this food is fattening" mentality for so long that I was scared to death when I decided to start eating what I love in moderation. I did it a little at a time. 0 -
I am nice am reasonable up till people get mean and vicious narcissistic and make it all about them. Sorry.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Yes jelly, most successful calorie counters most likely have. Lol, that was a funny one. But how about the unsuccessful calorie counters who will be so happy to read in this thread the unanimous support of eating chips and candy, ice cream and whatever makes you feel good?
Well, why would they be unsuccessful?
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donjtomasco wrote: »I think it is a disservice to gloat about eating anything you want, gloat about how much weight has been lost eating anything you want, when this poster is just trying to get on track. Once she has tackled a good exercise and diet plan, and the weight is coming off, then sure, mix in some pleasure food. But to encourage this food intake in the beginning? That is my issue.
Nobody is gloating. You seem to be working through some issues of your own here. They have little to nothing to do with OP's.
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Hey OP - I am relatively new, only doing this for a few months, but the best advice I can give (in addition to a lot of other sensible advice other people have posted) is to get a food scale! I had qualms about this (who knows why) but it really gives you back control over your diet once you know exactly how much you're eating! Good luck 0
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