Bread??
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donjtomasco wrote: »Not fat gain. A slow down in weight loss. I guess an effect on metabolism. But I am just guessing.
I see. However, I'm not understanding on how any food can slow down metabolism, since there is no food that speeds it up.
I lost 44 pounds eating my homemade bread, and continue to maintain eating my homemade bread. Of course, my homemade bread is the best.
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I don't think listening to soft rock can slow down your weightloss.0
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You are probably right runner. I dont know why I had that experience with bread.0
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donjtomasco wrote: »You are probably right runner. I dont know why I had that experience with bread.
Probably a coincidence.0 -
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donjtomasco wrote: »I think bread slows down the speed of weight loss, but once you absorb that blip in weight loss time, you will get back to a normal time of losing weight. Conversely, if you drop the bread you might see a larger amount of weight come off. Especially white bread.
My experience ... over the last 2 months, I've been eating more bread than usual because it is what I've been craving (not chocolate, not chips, just bread). And I've lost weight a lot faster than I anticipated.
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greenlizard72 wrote: »In no way am I an expert, quite the opposite. That said, I have eliminated bread and white rice completely. I adhere to the eat less then you burn concept, but for me the lack of gluten and decrease in sugar (bread) and the related insulin impacting effects make sense to me. I am having success with this method.
The method you are using is cico and eliminating carbs has zero point zero percent to do with it
The fear that strikes in people when they think of insulin. But they don't know what foods really impact insulin and to what level. It's just insulin = devil. I am not talking about diabetics.
Ohhhhhh noooooooooooooo the insulins!!!!!
Laugh it up fur ball. Seriously though, for me cico is not the end all be all. It's the foundation and yeah, it has to be followed. But, our bodies are pretty awesome machines and like a machine, the better fuel and fluids we give it, the better it will run. I only have so many calories a day, so I want to spend them on nutritious food as much as possible. I think bread takes up a lot of empty calories. Each to their own though. I see many people saying they eat bread and have awesome success.
As to the "evil" insulin, my understanding is sugar and those foods that break down quickly into sugar like refined wheat, increase insulin levels in the blood stream leading ultimately to the increased storage of fat. Again, I'm just starting to learn this stuff, so please correct me if I am wrong. I'm more interested in learning truth than being right. I try to get my info from science based sources like khan academy.
And I didn't say carbs were bad.0 -
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Silversparkle13 wrote: »Whats people's views on bread and weightloss.. Some people say stay clear etc.. Any thoughts?
It won't stop you from losing weight if you're in a caloric deficit. Ditching it won't help you lose weight if you're eating at a caloric surplus. Some people find it easier to maintain a caloric deficit without eating it, others don't.
Do what works best for you.
C a l o r i e deficit.
I used to think what I ate was SUPER important but its kinda not. If we are talking about losing weight. If you eat twinkies you can still lose weight just like if you ate salads all day. You'll prob feel gross but that's different.
Now in terms of HUNGER I find that if I eat a cup of rice (110-140cals) with my meal instead of two bread slices (160 cals) I will be much more satiated.
In my opinion people over eat because they make poor food choices that leave them hungry and thus they eat more going over their calories.0 -
i rarely eat bread, mainly because i don't feel the need to eat it, but i do eat rice(both white and brown) and I'm losing weight.0
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Love bread but the calories soon add up. I do however have a sandwich every lunchtime using wholemeal. It's also sliced so I know exactly how many calories without weighing it. I couldn't live without it 0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Yes I do. Is that clear enough jelly? It was my personal experience with bread and I have heard the same from others. I have no scientific data to back it up.
Then I will continue to challenge that statement - - regardless of who makes it - - because the evidence shows that weight loss is caused by a calorie deficit, not by eliminating certain foods.
You can create a deficit by eliminating foods. If you are saying that it is your personal experience that bread slows down your weight loss even when in a deficit, I would be curious to know how you determined that, and how you isolated it from other factors.0 -
greenlizard72 wrote: »greenlizard72 wrote: »In no way am I an expert, quite the opposite. That said, I have eliminated bread and white rice completely. I adhere to the eat less then you burn concept, but for me the lack of gluten and decrease in sugar (bread) and the related insulin impacting effects make sense to me. I am having success with this method.
The method you are using is cico and eliminating carbs has zero point zero percent to do with it
The fear that strikes in people when they think of insulin. But they don't know what foods really impact insulin and to what level. It's just insulin = devil. I am not talking about diabetics.
Ohhhhhh noooooooooooooo the insulins!!!!!
Laugh it up fur ball. Seriously though, for me cico is not the end all be all. It's the foundation and yeah, it has to be followed. But, our bodies are pretty awesome machines and like a machine, the better fuel and fluids we give it, the better it will run. I only have so many calories a day, so I want to spend them on nutritious food as much as possible. I think bread takes up a lot of empty calories. Each to their own though. I see many people saying they eat bread and have awesome success.
As to the "evil" insulin, my understanding is sugar and those foods that break down quickly into sugar like refined wheat, increase insulin levels in the blood stream leading ultimately to the increased storage of fat. Again, I'm just starting to learn this stuff, so please correct me if I am wrong. I'm more interested in learning truth than being right. I try to get my info from science based sources like khan academy.
And I didn't say carbs were bad.
Based on this response I will keep laughing...0 -
greenlizard72 wrote: »greenlizard72 wrote: »In no way am I an expert, quite the opposite. That said, I have eliminated bread and white rice completely. I adhere to the eat less then you burn concept, but for me the lack of gluten and decrease in sugar (bread) and the related insulin impacting effects make sense to me. I am having success with this method.
The method you are using is cico and eliminating carbs has zero point zero percent to do with it
The fear that strikes in people when they think of insulin. But they don't know what foods really impact insulin and to what level. It's just insulin = devil. I am not talking about diabetics.
Ohhhhhh noooooooooooooo the insulins!!!!!
Laugh it up fur ball. Seriously though, for me cico is not the end all be all. It's the foundation and yeah, it has to be followed. But, our bodies are pretty awesome machines and like a machine, the better fuel and fluids we give it, the better it will run. I only have so many calories a day, so I want to spend them on nutritious food as much as possible. I think bread takes up a lot of empty calories. Each to their own though. I see many people saying they eat bread and have awesome success.
As to the "evil" insulin, my understanding is sugar and those foods that break down quickly into sugar like refined wheat, increase insulin levels in the blood stream leading ultimately to the increased storage of fat. Again, I'm just starting to learn this stuff, so please correct me if I am wrong. I'm more interested in learning truth than being right. I try to get my info from science based sources like khan academy.
And I didn't say carbs were bad.
Did you know protein spikes insulin as well? Or did you know that insulin is what makes you feel full? The fact is, if you aren't insulin resistant, then your body will regulate it fairly quickly. I would recommend this article to get a better understanding of insulin.
Breads and rices aren't empty calories. In fact, they do have some beneficial nutrients in them (iirc they are high in thiamin, manganese and selenium).
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greenlizard72 wrote: »I only have so many calories a day, so I want to spend them on nutritious food as much as possible. I think bread takes up a lot of empty calories. Each to their own though. I see many people saying they eat bread and have awesome success.
This is fine. Many people will argue that there are studies (correlation only, to my knowledge, however) showing positive results from eating whole grains, so I think the assumption that it's not nutritious is weak, and I personally need to include some things that aren't simply veggies or sources of protein (as bread is, to a limited extent) in my diet even to make up the calories I currently have and to fuel my exercise.
As I said above, bread is usually not my choice (if I wasn't lazy and got back into baking it myself, it very well might be, and same if I was tempted by really good bread all the time, but most bread doesn't seem worth the calories to me either).
Where I personally think you go wrong is:sugar and those foods that break down quickly into sugar like refined wheat, increase insulin levels in the blood stream leading ultimately to the increased storage of fat.
This is a misunderstanding. The problem with insulin is if people are insulin resistant and then the body doesn't properly react (by moving glucose to muscles and fat--to drastically over simplify) and instead keeps sending out more and more insulin without the normal satiety signals that follow insulin release.
The basic point is that your body doesn't build up fat in the absence of a calorie deficit merely because some deposits may well be made on a regular basis to your fat stores--we are always burning and adding fat.
It's kind of analogous to the misunderstanding about exercise in the "fat burning zone" being better because you burn fat and otherwise don't. It ignores the big picture.0 -
greenlizard72 wrote: »greenlizard72 wrote: »In no way am I an expert, quite the opposite. That said, I have eliminated bread and white rice completely. I adhere to the eat less then you burn concept, but for me the lack of gluten and decrease in sugar (bread) and the related insulin impacting effects make sense to me. I am having success with this method.
The method you are using is cico and eliminating carbs has zero point zero percent to do with it
The fear that strikes in people when they think of insulin. But they don't know what foods really impact insulin and to what level. It's just insulin = devil. I am not talking about diabetics.
Ohhhhhh noooooooooooooo the insulins!!!!!
Laugh it up fur ball. Seriously though, for me cico is not the end all be all. It's the foundation and yeah, it has to be followed. But, our bodies are pretty awesome machines and like a machine, the better fuel and fluids we give it, the better it will run. I only have so many calories a day, so I want to spend them on nutritious food as much as possible. I think bread takes up a lot of empty calories. Each to their own though. I see many people saying they eat bread and have awesome success.
As to the "evil" insulin, my understanding is sugar and those foods that break down quickly into sugar like refined wheat, increase insulin levels in the blood stream leading ultimately to the increased storage of fat. Again, I'm just starting to learn this stuff, so please correct me if I am wrong. I'm more interested in learning truth than being right. I try to get my info from science based sources like khan academy.
And I didn't say carbs were bad.
So you tell us to laugh it up but don't know the process makes sense. You do realize we store and burn fat all day right? It's about valleys out weighing peaks. You also clearly don't understand the important role insulin plays on your muscles.
I'll keep laughing it up while being successful at weight loss.
Here are the said peaks and valleys
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This is where, people go wrong. Thinking they have to cut everything out Or something out then snap as they miss it and just add the weight back.
Every food is evil and again no food is evil. Its all about understand that a slice of bread doesnt kill but a whole loaf of bread will. Its all about portion control. If u can learn that ur always will be skinny
Look at the french. Bread cheese wine meat fish veg cakes ect but its all about portion size. Get that right and u can live a life. Where u dont have to lose bread0 -
Love bread and jealous of all you that eat it regularly. I tend to avoid it as for some reason makes me really bloated and always feel uncomfortable after eating it.
Although, never cut it out completely as I do love it, in fact I had 2 awesome bread rolls with my chips last night
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I couldn't live without bread. Well, I could, but I wouldn't want to. But I usually only enjoy high quality bakery-quality bread so it's worth the calories.0
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We're breaking bread?0
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I lost 44 pounds and have maintained for over a year, and I refuse to give up bread, especially my homemade bread.
Weight loss is calories in/out, type of food in your dietary program is preference only.
I, too, am a homemade bread baker. Leave as many contaminants and chemicals out of your diet as possible! But I eat sandwiches - burgers, grilled cheese even! Consider the type of diet you expect to maintain when you reach maintenance weight. Do you anticipate bread to be in that diet? If yes, then you should probably come to terms with it now, while you are losing weight rather than wait for the eleventh hour to find out if you can eat bread without a pig out session turning you into a pig!
There's a place in the world for everything and, for most people, that can include bread in their diet!0 -
So you tell us to laugh it up but don't know the process makes sense. You do realize we store and burn fat all day right? It's about valleys out weighing peaks. You also clearly don't understand the important role insulin plays on your muscles.
I'll keep laughing it up while being successful at weight loss.
Right on. I am glad you are successful and I appreciate your input. I'll definitely spend time researching insulin's effect on muscles.
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Hint: insulin is the transport mechanism to get glucose to the muscles.0
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I've lost and kept off a lot of weight for years and never once did I give up bread 0
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Hey Jelly, I am doing a scientific study for you today. I have my morning weight (and past daily weights since Jan 1). I have noteaten today, so I have my breakfast calories to add to my lunch calories. I have 59 days straight of weighing less then I did on the 7th prior day.
For lunch I am having a fried catfish filet po-boy, on a white bread roll, with mayo and tartar sauce, fries and cole slaw. Might start out with some fried oysters. I love ketsup on top of crackers, so I will count how many of those I have. Might end it with some key lime pie.
I will log all the food items and calories and we will see if you are right, or if this meal maybe slows down my weight loss.
As always, my diary is open for anyone to look at. Yum Yum!!!
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I love Marks and Spencers spelt honey and sunflower bread we can get over here in uk and spelt is better for you 0
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donjtomasco wrote: »Hey Jelly, I am doing a scientific study for you today. I have my morning weight (and past daily weights since Jan 1). I have noteaten today, so I have my breakfast calories to add to my lunch calories. I have 59 days straight of weighing less then I did on the 7th prior day.
For lunch I am having a fried catfish filet po-boy, on a white bread roll, with mayo and tartar sauce, fries and cole slaw. Might start out with some fried oysters. I love ketsup on top of crackers, so I will count how many of those I have. Might end it with some key lime pie.
I will log all the food items and calories and we will see if you are right, or if this meal maybe slows down my weight loss.
As always, my diary is open for anyone to look at. Yum Yum!!!
A "study" of one subject doesn't establish anything.
Your assumption that weight loss is based only on what was eaten the subsequent day is faulty.
And even if you do gain weight tomorrow, how will you know that it wasn't the fried food? Or the potatoes? Or the pie? Or the sodium?
If you don't lose weight by tomorrow's weigh in, you will have demonstrated nothing.
The only thing this "study" demonstrates is that you have a poor understanding of the subject.
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I love bread and wheat flour products and am happier when I eat them. However I find that breads and other wheat products are generally high in calories, but they only fill me up for a while - I can eat a whole lot calorie-wise and be hungry a couple hours later, whereas rice and beans and meat are way more satiating for me.
Given the above I am trying to cut down on (not cut out) the wheat products I eat because eating them can end up being counterproductive to my goals. I'm also trying to add more whole grains to my diet in place of the tons of refined grains I love to eat. It's slow going but I'm getting there.
To answer your question, cutting out bread isn't necessary and bread isn't an "empty-calorie" food. Carbs are an important macronutrient, as are fats and proteins and some micronutrients I don't really care about (all of which are in bread to some varying degree). BUT like everything else you eat, you have to watch it because if you eat as much as you want while you're counting calories, you're going to end up having to cut back on important nutrient groups (protein and fats) just so you don't go way over your calorie limit.0 -
donjtomasco wrote: »Hey Jelly, I am doing a scientific study for you today. I have my morning weight (and past daily weights since Jan 1). I have noteaten today, so I have my breakfast calories to add to my lunch calories. I have 59 days straight of weighing less then I did on the 7th prior day.
For lunch I am having a fried catfish filet po-boy, on a white bread roll, with mayo and tartar sauce, fries and cole slaw. Might start out with some fried oysters. I love ketsup on top of crackers, so I will count how many of those I have. Might end it with some key lime pie.
I will log all the food items and calories and we will see if you are right, or if this meal maybe slows down my weight loss.
As always, my diary is open for anyone to look at. Yum Yum!!!
Daily water fluctuation does not equal reduced metabolism.
Bread might cause more short term water retention if you are also increasing your carbs. Quite as likely (or more if you are blaming bread and not other carbs), you may be more likely to eat bread with other foods that have more sodium and cause water retention--either because it's in a restaurant commonly or because you happen to like high sodium lunch meats or fried things or the like on your bread.0
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