Documentary Fed up
Noreenmarie1234
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Have any of you seen this new netflix documentary? What do you think? I'm a little skeptical of blaming everything on sugar and not that people are not active enough and eating too many calories...
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I'm actually watching it right now. I think it's very accurate. When I review my diet for the weeks when I haven't lost weight, I'm usually under my calories every day, but over on fat and sugars.0
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I saw it several months ago and was swayed to think that I needed to drastically reduce sugar in my diet. The "Fed Up" website was ridiculously strict in what they would & wouldn't allow... I mean ridiculous. It was around Lent and I "gave up" sugar - but what does that mean? I stayed away from adding white sugar to anything, I baked with honey and agave... rather pointless and a big fuss. I stuck with it until Easter when I binged like a maniac on chocolate bunnies.
I really don't like Katie Couric. I don't know much about Laurie David - but this seemed like a passionate project for them. Eh - I'm over it, but I admit to being very stirred up after I saw it.0 -
It may be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Netflix and that includes some whack foreign movies and Russell Brand. So, that's a pretty high, or low. bar.0
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This thread will not end well.
This has been discussed before.
I just enjoyed some gelato. I'll still lose weight this week, because I'm under my calories. I've been doing this the whole time I've lost 37 pounds.
Excess calories cause weight gain.
If sugar is the cause of the excess calories, then sure, it's a problem. If cheese is the cause of excess calories, then that's the source of the problem. Whatever you eat to excess will be a problem, because at the end of the day, it's consuming too many calories that will lead your body to pack on the pounds.
I wasn't eating sugar when I gained a good bit of my weight. It's really popular right now to demonize sugar, but it oversimplifies a very complicated problem, and "documentaries" like Fed Up throw a veneer of junk science over the issue and only confuse the whole issue.0 -
I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.0
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DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Peach cobbler...
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DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??0 -
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.0 -
mlawrence911 wrote: »I'm actually watching it right now. I think it's very accurate. When I review my diet for the weeks when I haven't lost weight, I'm usually under my calories every day, but over on fat and sugars.
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in for the peach cobbler0
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.
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I think it does bring up a valid discussion about America's reliance on processed packaged food.0
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.
Seriously, you're killing me. I did not need to read this while in PMS mode, lol.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »It may be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Netflix and that includes some whack foreign movies and Russell Brand. So, that's a pretty high, or low. bar.
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OMG, I want to make this! I don't want to eat it I just want to make it!0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.
OMG food coma!
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.
Don't be surprised if I randomly show up at your door begging for a bite! Good lord, that sounds amazing!
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.
Show off.
:-)
Really good peach cobbler (with ice cream, of course) may be my favorite dessert. It has competition, but it's up there.0 -
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/does-the-movie-fed-up-make-sense/
I think it's a shame they can peddle this as a "documentary."0 -
For a while there I bought into the whole low carb thing. Not quite as strict as Atkins but I had convinced myself that if I eat over 100g of carbs I'd gain weight. The only problem was I have a really sweet tooth. I'm not particularly fond of cheese, meat, cream and the like, so I was forcing myself to eat high protein, high fat foods and trying to talk myself into enjoying them. I was so crabby I would be mean to everyone.
The longest I managed to stay on track was around a month. During that time I dropped around a stone and a half (21lbs). Probably because all I was eating was iceberg lettuce and steamed chicken with a little olive oil.
So yes low carb did work but looking back it wasn't enjoyable and I don't think it could ever become a lifestyle change for me.0 -
:bigsmile:DeguelloTex wrote: »It may be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Netflix and that includes some whack foreign movies and Russell Brand. So, that's a pretty high, or low. bar.
:bigsmile:DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.0 -
For a while there I bought into the whole low carb thing. Not quite as strict as Atkins but I had convinced myself that if I eat over 100g of carbs I'd gain weight. The only problem was I have a really sweet tooth. I'm not particularly fond of cheese, meat, cream and the like, so I was forcing myself to eat high protein, high fat foods and trying to talk myself into enjoying them. I was so crabby I would be mean to everyone.
The longest I managed to stay on track was around a month. During that time I dropped around a stone and a half (21lbs). Probably because all I was eating was iceberg lettuce and steamed chicken with a little olive oil.
So yes low carb did work but looking back it wasn't enjoyable and I don't think it could ever become a lifestyle change for me.
Working means you kept the weight off and maintained easily
and I would bet my eldest child that you didn't
because low carb - in the first few weeks = water weight manipulation
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For a while there I bought into the whole low carb thing. Not quite as strict as Atkins but I had convinced myself that if I eat over 100g of carbs I'd gain weight. The only problem was I have a really sweet tooth. I'm not particularly fond of cheese, meat, cream and the like, so I was forcing myself to eat high protein, high fat foods and trying to talk myself into enjoying them. I was so crabby I would be mean to everyone.
The longest I managed to stay on track was around a month. During that time I dropped around a stone and a half (21lbs). Probably because all I was eating was iceberg lettuce and steamed chicken with a little olive oil.
So yes low carb did work but looking back it wasn't enjoyable and I don't think it could ever become a lifestyle change for me.
Working means you kept the weight off and maintained easily
and I would bet my eldest child that you didn't
because low carb - in the first few weeks = water weight manipulation
Nope I did not. I got extremely bored on my steamed chicken salads and I wanted something tasty so I went back to all the foods that made me fat. I can't really remember but I think it took me less than 6 months to gain it all back, so I'm sure a lot of it was water weight.
However I think if you are the type of person who craves grilled avocado covered in cheese then low carb could work for you, but only because it's mostly low cal foods you are eating. (Avocado and cheese, not so much). I do think it's possible to gain weight on a high sugar diet like the documentary above suggests, but I can also look at the twinkie diet and understand how the results were created.
I kinda believe that everyone needs to create their own diet that will suit their own lives.
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For a while there I bought into the whole low carb thing. Not quite as strict as Atkins but I had convinced myself that if I eat over 100g of carbs I'd gain weight. The only problem was I have a really sweet tooth. I'm not particularly fond of cheese, meat, cream and the like, so I was forcing myself to eat high protein, high fat foods and trying to talk myself into enjoying them. I was so crabby I would be mean to everyone.
The longest I managed to stay on track was around a month. During that time I dropped around a stone and a half (21lbs). Probably because all I was eating was iceberg lettuce and steamed chicken with a little olive oil.
So yes low carb did work but looking back it wasn't enjoyable and I don't think it could ever become a lifestyle change for me.
Working means you kept the weight off and maintained easily
and I would bet my eldest child that you didn't
because low carb - in the first few weeks = water weight manipulation
Nope I did not. I got extremely bored on my steamed chicken salads and I wanted something tasty so I went back to all the foods that made me fat. I can't really remember but I think it took me less than 6 months to gain it all back, so I'm sure a lot of it was water weight.
However I think if you are the type of person who craves grilled avocado covered in cheese then low carb could work for you, but only because it's mostly low cal foods you are eating. (Avocado and cheese, not so much). I do think it's possible to gain weight on a high sugar diet like the documentary above suggests, but I can also look at the twinkie diet and understand how the results were created.
I kinda believe that everyone needs to create their own diet that will suit their own lives.
I agree
Would you like my eldest child anyway?
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mlawrence911 wrote: »I'm actually watching it right now. I think it's very accurate. When I review my diet for the weeks when I haven't lost weight, I'm usually under my calories every day, but over on fat and sugars.
That is impossible, quite honestly. I'm going to surmise you are overestimating your caloric burn, or underestimating calories consumed, or a combination of both.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »It's really popular right now to demonize sugar, but it oversimplifies a very complicated problem...
Yes, this. Thank you!
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https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/does-the-movie-fed-up-make-sense/
I think it's a shame they can peddle this as a "documentary."
Thanks for sharing this.0 -
coreyreichle wrote: »mlawrence911 wrote: »I'm actually watching it right now. I think it's very accurate. When I review my diet for the weeks when I haven't lost weight, I'm usually under my calories every day, but over on fat and sugars.
That is impossible, quite honestly. I'm going to surmise you are overestimating your caloric burn, or underestimating calories consumed, or a combination of both.
It's just that not losing weight in a specific week is basically meaningless. Some obvious possibilities, though:
When you overeat fat and sugar you also tend to be eating worse in general, including more food with sodium=water retention.
If you tend to be lower carb and add lots of sugary things=water retention.
More constipated.
High sugar and fat foods are often purchased or obtained in some way so that the precise calories are known and often are not weighed, so are easy to overestimate. For example, if we get sweets with my Friday work lunch I have to estimate about what seems to me a small piece of cheesecake, but more likely than not I underestimate (pretty sure I did this last week). Same with eating some sweets at a dinner party or the like. This is a huge factor, I suspect, for those who claim they lose worse when eating sweets--I suspect sweets are underestimated a lot.
For many women there's a connection between the TOM and increased consumption of sugar and fat. And also a connection between the TOM and increases in water weight.
Less likely, the TEF of processed carbs and fat are both lower than for less processed carbs and, especially, protein. If these weeks also have macros that are thrown off, so that protein consumption is down, it's possible there's a small effect on overall CICO, although absent some kind of extreme eating (all cake, all the time!) it seems unlikely to have much of a difference. I think if anything it's more likely to leave someone less satiated and overeating in general, perhaps combined with poor logging.
I suppose you could be more slothful if not eating well, depending on how extreme the poor eating is, again.
I'm sure there are many more possibilities.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4fbOGxiFDc
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