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For a while there I bought into the whole low carb thing. Not quite as strict as Atkins but I had convinced myself that if I eat over 100g of carbs I'd gain weight. The only problem was I have a really sweet tooth. I'm not particularly fond of cheese, meat, cream and the like, so I was forcing myself to eat high protein, high fat foods and trying to talk myself into enjoying them. I was so crabby I would be mean to everyone.
The longest I managed to stay on track was around a month. During that time I dropped around a stone and a half (21lbs). Probably because all I was eating was iceberg lettuce and steamed chicken with a little olive oil.
So yes low carb did work but looking back it wasn't enjoyable and I don't think it could ever become a lifestyle change for me.
Working means you kept the weight off and maintained easily
and I would bet my eldest child that you didn't
because low carb - in the first few weeks = water weight manipulation
Nope I did not. I got extremely bored on my steamed chicken salads and I wanted something tasty so I went back to all the foods that made me fat. I can't really remember but I think it took me less than 6 months to gain it all back, so I'm sure a lot of it was water weight.
However I think if you are the type of person who craves grilled avocado covered in cheese then low carb could work for you, but only because it's mostly low cal foods you are eating. (Avocado and cheese, not so much). I do think it's possible to gain weight on a high sugar diet like the documentary above suggests, but I can also look at the twinkie diet and understand how the results were created.
I kinda believe that everyone needs to create their own diet that will suit their own lives.
I agree
Would you like my eldest child anyway?
:bigsmile:
emmmm Thanks for the offer but I think i'll pass...
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Congratulations, you are a perpetual motion machine and can create energy from nothing. You have not only blown the laws of physics out of the water but solved humankind's energy problems and this will be the end of world hunger and many wars. You really deserve the Nobel prize(s) you will be receiving.mlawrence911 wrote: »I'm actually watching it right now. I think it's very accurate. When I review my diet for the weeks when I haven't lost weight, I'm usually under my calories every day, but over on fat and sugars.
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I don't think it is as simple as saying that added sugar in food is causing obesity. Is that part of the problem? Yes. But no one is forcing people to eat that stuff and no one is truly addicted to sugar. The real problem with added sugar is that it increases the calorie density of food while the visual and fullness clues indicate that people have eaten less than they have. But we can't blame it all on the food industry. We've all been around people who say, "here, have another cookie." We are the ones who decide to sit in front of the TV watching food ads. We are the ones who choose to eat out instead of cooking a meal at home. And many children are obese because their parents are a bad example.0
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OMG, I want to make this! I don't want to eat it I just want to make it!
Okay so you make it and I'll eat it. It looks amazing!!! Does anyone know the recipe?
Just watch the video.0 -
There's a lot of sugar in Captain Crunch but the energy that ones body spends in repairing the roofs of CC eaters mouths offsets the calories in the sugary cereal. Its a win/win.
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OMG, I want to make this! I don't want to eat it I just want to make it!
Okay so you make it and I'll eat it. It looks amazing!!! Does anyone know the recipe?
lol, the recipe is in the video. I love to bake, I'd bake all day if I could. It's so much fun!0 -
TimothyFish wrote: »And many children are obese because their parents are a bad example.
I think this is what everyone means when they talk about genetics making them fat. For years I went around saying my whole family is fat, they are all diabetic and prone to heart disease why fight the inevitable. It's completely true....except for the one relative who has been the exact same size since high school. Is he the genetic anomaly, or (more likely), is he the one who doesn't eat like junk food is on sale. He doesn't have a particularly healthy diet, he eats a lot of pastry based food. But he does eat it in much smaller amounts than i do.
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Thank you Timithyfish! Your's is the most intelligent thing I have seen or heard regarding the "obesity crisis" EVER! It seems to run in cycles. Right now it is demon sugar, a few years ago it was eggs, fats, etc. My girlfriend went on the Atkins diet and was eating pounds of bacon a week--after all it is low carb. She had a physical and her doctor freaked! I worked at Starbucks for a time and people would come in asking for the "diet" drink. When asked it was a latte made with heavy cream. Care to guess how many calories was in that 20 oz sugar laden coffee? I believe each person has to feed themselves in the way that works for them, "dieting" to lose x number of pounds then going back to your bad habits does nothing but create the yo yo effect. Stop demonizing specific foods, eat for life and enjoyment and keep a balance.0
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Holy condescension Batman!! This assumes that the human body is a simple machine with simple processes without taking into account thousands of years of biological adaptions aimed at survival or individual metabolic and hormonal variation. The fact is, your body doesn't concern itself with modern aesthetics, it isn't worried about if you're happy with your weight; it's primary aim is survival and body fat equals survival in the face of a scarcity of food. The body has the ability to regulate it's processes given different inputs.LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »Congratulations, you are a perpetual motion machine and can create energy from nothing. You have not only blown the laws of physics out of the water but solved humankind's energy problems and this will be the end of world hunger and many wars. You really deserve the Nobel prize(s) you will be receiving.
Hormonal differences and individual metabolic variation do not violate the laws of thermodynamics.0 -
Yes. This.TimothyFish wrote: »The real problem with added sugar is that it increases the calorie density of food while the visual and fullness clues indicate that people have eaten less than they have. But we can't blame it all on the food industry.
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I just saw a documentary stating the opposite. That people are exercising but it won't do any good and that somehow counting calories is impossible. I stopped watching about 20 minutes in because it was very uninformed.0
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TimothyFish wrote: »And many children are obese because their parents are a bad example.
I think this is what everyone means when they talk about genetics making them fat. For years I went around saying my whole family is fat, they are all diabetic and prone to heart disease why fight the inevitable. It's completely true....except for the one relative who has been the exact same size since high school. Is he the genetic anomaly, or (more likely), is he the one who doesn't eat like junk food is on sale. He doesn't have a particularly healthy diet, he eats a lot of pastry based food. But he does eat it in much smaller amounts than i do.
There is a genetic component to the problem, but most of us can overcome our genetics, if we really want to. What I find interesting is that children are becoming obese sooner. In some families, the typical thing used to be that the children were thin, but when they reached adulthood, they developed obesity. Now, those same families have children who are obese. I don't think our genetics have changed that quickly. Often, the similarities in families is due to a similar attitude toward diet and exercise. That may be due to genetics, but it can also be a learned behavior.0 -
mlawrence911 wrote: »I'm actually watching it right now. I think it's very accurate. When I review my diet for the weeks when I haven't lost weight, I'm usually under my calories every day, but over on fat and sugars.
I respectfully disagree. I have lost 30 lbs. since January. Almost every day or every other day I am wayyyyyyyyy over "goal" on sugars. As in double the "recommended" amount or more.
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"Sugar calories promote fat storage and hunger. Fat calories induce fullness or satiation,"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150422221410.htm0 -
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<--Over 100 grams of sugar a day, not hungry and I pick the cookie crumbs out of my abz"Sugar calories promote fat storage and hunger. Fat calories induce fullness or satiation,"
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There was a lot of truth in the facts, but not in how it was presented, and it was pretty clear that they were so dead set on attacking the food industry and their lobbyists that they blatantly misdirected and cherry-picked information to support their message. Yeah, eating a diet high in simple sugars can lead a 'skinny' person to have high visceral fat, which can cause 'obese' diseases, but total body fat IS as simple as CICO. Yes, simple sugars will cause stronger hunger signals much sooner, and added sugars add unnecessary calories, and the combination of the two leads many people to drastically overeating, but they are still just calories. The 'documentary' only briefly touched on the idea of not being able to out exercise a bad diet, and completely ignored how many calories the family on the 'sugar detox' were cutting, since it wouldn't support their message concerning CICO being a lie. I've seen more comprehensive and clear presentations on healthy diet choices made by 4th graders.0
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"Sugar calories promote fat storage and hunger. Fat calories induce fullness or satiation,"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150422221410.htm
IIRC, if you follow the cites for that lovely little gem about sugar calories, you end up with a paper co-authored by Robert Lustig. (This is not the first time that BSJ article has been discussed)
I'll let the other esteemed posters here have a field day with that tidbit of information. I have a migraine and don't feel up to it. The bottom line is that Lustig is an idiot.
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<--Over 100 grams of sugar a day, not hungry and I pick the cookie crumbs out of my abz"Sugar calories promote fat storage and hunger. Fat calories induce fullness or satiation,"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150422221410.htm
Boom goes the dynamite.
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What do people think of this then ?
Watch this video http://home.theharcombedietclub.com/2012/04/a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie-and-heres-the-reason-why/0 -
My husband and I watched this documentary together a couple nights ago. We both walked away with a different impressions. He is now pretty convinced that sugar is "evil" and refused to even drink milk today because the label said 11 g of sugar. I did not get that impression from the program. My impression was that they were wanting people to stop and think about added sugar. I also did not come to the conclusion that all sugar turn to fat, instead what I understood it to be was that unused sugar would turn to fat. I don't know how true that is, but the thought of it makes me think before binging. I actually found a lot of interesting information, especially about children in the schools, being that I have two that eat public school lunches. I spoke with the kids later and did find that they are eating worse than I thought. So this did help open up discussion.
While the documentary might not have been completely accurate, I am glad that I watched it because it did help me to stop and think a little bit more about what's in the foods that I put in my mouth. I got fat quickly and the majority of my calories did in fact come from sugar as I was a soda
and candy junkie. I do like that they put great emphasis on eating foods that are whole and from nature. I do think that if we did that more often than not, our society as a whole would be much more healthy.0 -
just found what im making myself for mothers day0 -
I haven't watched it yet but I'm interested in seeing it. I'm a big believer of food in moderation whether it's sweets or protein or whatever so I can't see myself buying into "sugar is the devil". I can eat a pint of ice cream and still lose weight, it's no big deal as long as I don't do it every night or even every other night LOL, but the devil there is calories not sugar. BUT, and this may be totally irrelevant since I haven't watched the "documentary" yet, I will say that American food has a lot of added sugar or is just overly sweet in general. Just look at what we use for daily bread. That stuff is sweet but it's perfectly normal to us unless you happen to live near an honest to god bakery.
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All I can say is my results speak for themselves.
I do not limit sugar. I do not limit fats. I do not limit carbs. I want to enjoy the foods I eat.
I do limit calories, and because I don't want to spend the day starving, I do choose the most nutritious foods I can for my meals. When I have calories to play with I indulge in treat foods.
All that said...I eat French vanilla Greek Yogurt. Yes it's high in sugar but it's also got 19g of protein. I do not like plain yogurt and will not force myself to eat it because it has less sugar. I eat sugary cereals for a quick 100 calorie snack. I eat ice cream for a snack and pick up some protein and calcium to boot. I occasionally have soda because I want it, and I limit myself usually to just 100 calorie servings.
I do go over my sugar "guideline goals" ALL THE TIME.
YET I'VE STILL LOST 30 POUNDS IN THREE MONTHS TIME. Look at my diary. You'll see that most days I do come really close to my macros. I'm happy if I get more than 45g of protein (I know before I was eating a heckuva lot less and I always felt awfully sluggish.) I meet or exceed my calcium and iron macros often. I can't control the amount of potassium cause so many foods don't list it in their nutrition info. I make sure I get at least 25g of fiber a day.
TL;DR: I'm eating better than I ever have in my LIFE and I FEEL GREAT and I LOOK GREAT and I have more energy than I did when I weight 175.....and I don't give a FLIP how much sugar I eat (almost always over goal) as long as I'm meeting my other macros. (Fat is often low and I'm trying to eat more fat but sometimes it's hard.)
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.
omg, so yumm!!
I made pears poached in wine with vanilla marscapone the other day, I'll also still lose weight.0 -
<--Over 100 grams of sugar a day, not hungry and I pick the cookie crumbs out of my abz"Sugar calories promote fat storage and hunger. Fat calories induce fullness or satiation,"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150422221410.htm
This is my new favorite sugar quote...0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
Imagine the best crust you've ever had. Double that. Add some cinnamon sugar. Then add in some homegrown tree-ripened peaches preserved from last summer. Not as epic as fresh, maybe, but good enough to make anything on the shelves of a grocery store weep in shame.Liftng4Lis wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »I'm pretty sure there was sugar in the peach cobbler and homemade vanilla ice cream I just had. And in plenty of stuff I've eaten for the last year. Yet, I'm down about 105 pounds.
Did I hear peach cobbler??
Plus homemade ice cream with some Madagascar and some Mexican vanilla.
And it's not even summer yet.
That sounds… so good…
Yeah, that’s all I got out of this.0 -
I also did not come to the conclusion that all sugar turn to fat, instead what I understood it to be was that unused sugar would turn to fat. I don't know how true that is, but the thought of it makes me think before binging.
Excess calories, no matter what kind of food they come from, turn into fat. Not just excess sugar.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4fbOGxiFDc
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