why limit fruit intake?
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RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »1. per capita added sugar consumption has increased by about 10%, or 12 lbs per person, since 1980...
Sugar is killing humanity.
Sugar consumption went up roughly 1000% percent between the mid-1800s and the mid-1900s - yet life expectancy and overall health went up dramatically.
But somehow this last 10% increase is going to be the death of us?
Not seeing the logic in this...
The 1800s....before fridges, automobiles, televisions, electronics, population explosion, hospitals. People had to hunt or trade for food, had to defend property by themselves, had to worry about a plethora of uncurable communicable diseases, and had to fight in hand to hand wars.
Life expectancy has gone up drastically since the 1800s, but it will be going back down, I believe. And it takes decades to die from obesity. 1/3 of our kids today will probably die by the time they are 50, or be severely handicapped. Being that society only makes changes when people die, nothing will change in the coming years, and I am crazy, I know. There are too many variables to put sugar as the sole reason people will die. Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
No, sugar does not cause death, but it establishes eating habits that produce conditions that eventually lead to death. We have the JDRF for one reason: our kids are too fat bc they cant stop eating. The food is too tempting for them. Kids have diabetes for one reason, and one reason only: sugar overload. Childhood obesity and diabetes go hand in hand, and ultimately have one cause: eating too much. And how do people eat too much?
Since obesity hinders insulin production, overeating causes obesity, sugar causes overeating, tv time increases food intake, and lack of physical activity (caused by excess tv time) , and sugar overconsumption can kill a diabetic, what do you see happening?
A whole lotta bad stuff, good post man. One thing to partake in fruit, quite another to partake in Frankenfood.0 -
I dont get the reference...is that a one up or a mockery? Either way, I stand by what I say. It is the logic I follow. Just look at the trends since 1980, and come to your own conclusions, but since numbers never lie, the proof truly is in the pudding.
I went a bit off topic and on a tangent, but I am in the ballpark. I gave my personal reasons for not eating fruit consistently in an earlier post on this page. I will put the cat in the bag if it is too much.
:-) Be well, friends. I will read through this another day, for the subjective answers about fruit. Going to bed0 -
Nothing wrong with fruits. I eat at least 2-3 servings everyday. Banana, strawberries, apples... I LOVE my fruits.0
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It's leviOsa, not levioSAR!
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RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »1. per capita added sugar consumption has increased by about 10%, or 12 lbs per person, since 1980...
Sugar is killing humanity.
Sugar consumption went up roughly 1000% percent between the mid-1800s and the mid-1900s - yet life expectancy and overall health went up dramatically.
But somehow this last 10% increase is going to be the death of us?
Not seeing the logic in this...
The 1800s....before fridges, automobiles, televisions, electronics, population explosion, hospitals. People had to hunt or trade for food, had to defend property by themselves, had to worry about a plethora of uncurable communicable diseases, and had to fight in hand to hand wars.
Life expectancy has gone up drastically since the 1800s, but it will be going back down, I believe. And it takes decades to die from obesity. 1/3 of our kids today will probably die by the time they are 50, or be severely handicapped. Being that society only makes changes when people die, nothing will change in the coming years, and I am crazy, I know. There are too many variables to put sugar as the sole reason people will die. Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
No, sugar does not cause death, but it establishes eating habits that produce conditions that eventually lead to death. We have the JDRF for one reason: our kids are too fat bc they cant stop eating. The food is too tempting for them. Kids have diabetes for one reason, and one reason only: sugar overload. Childhood obesity and diabetes go hand in hand, and ultimately have one cause: eating too much. And how do people eat too much?
Since obesity hinders insulin production, overeating causes obesity, sugar causes overeating, tv time increases food intake, and lack of physical activity (caused by excess tv time) , and sugar overconsumption can kill a diabetic, what do you see happening?
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I only limit fruit because I prefer berries, melon and fresh pineapple and in the UK these can be expensive. I usually have an apple each day and loads of veggies instead. I love bananas but only when they are nice and firm, once they start browning I'm not keen.
Use markets. Fruit is cheap. Pineapples are 49p at Aldi at the moment. Strawberries are cheap everywhere and will be for several months.0 -
Because 300 of my 1700 calories spent on fruit is more than enough. Anything more could be spent on steak or bacon or peanut butter lol0
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I assume the key info here is the recommendation comes from a lifting newsletter. So the logic is probably you need to limit fruit to make room in the diet for lots of extra protein. If you have a calorie goal, then macros are a zero sum game. I do not lift and hence do not limit fruit, because my choices are usually between fruit and something processed and full of added sugar. In that case, fruit is better. It all depends on your goals.0
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christinev297 wrote: »BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
Bananas are not ripe until they are brown and wither off the vine. Eating them yellow is almost the same as eating them green. They are most nourishing when brown because their own enzymes have already begun to digest them.I only limit fruit because I prefer berries, melon and fresh pineapple and in the UK these can be expensive. I usually have an apple each day and loads of veggies instead. I love bananas but only when they are nice and firm, once they start browning I'm not keen.
You're probably right. But i have to eat them when they are yellow with a green tinge to them. I really dislike brown, mushy bananas
I'm not eating something thats eating its self..lol I like my daily banana yellow!!
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Why limit fruit? One reason may be that a lot of fruit means a lot of fiber, which may mean a lot of time in the bathroom ifyouknowwhatImean. Found that out the hard way once or twice in my lifetime . . . .0
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RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »1. per capita added sugar consumption has increased by about 10%, or 12 lbs per person, since 1980...
Sugar is killing humanity.
Sugar consumption went up roughly 1000% percent between the mid-1800s and the mid-1900s - yet life expectancy and overall health went up dramatically.
But somehow this last 10% increase is going to be the death of us?
Not seeing the logic in this...
The 1800s....before fridges, automobiles, televisions, electronics, population explosion, hospitals. People had to hunt or trade for food, had to defend property by themselves, had to worry about a plethora of uncurable communicable diseases, and had to fight in hand to hand wars.
Life expectancy has gone up drastically since the 1800s, but it will be going back down, I believe. And it takes decades to die from obesity. 1/3 of our kids today will probably die by the time they are 50, or be severely handicapped. Being that society only makes changes when people die, nothing will change in the coming years, and I am crazy, I know. There are too many variables to put sugar as the sole reason people will die. Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
No, sugar does not cause death, but it establishes eating habits that produce conditions that eventually lead to death. We have the JDRF for one reason: our kids are too fat bc they cant stop eating. The food is too tempting for them. Kids have diabetes for one reason, and one reason only: sugar overload. Childhood obesity and diabetes go hand in hand, and ultimately have one cause: eating too much. And how do people eat too much?
Since obesity hinders insulin production, overeating causes obesity, sugar causes overeating, tv time increases food intake, and lack of physical activity (caused by excess tv time) , and sugar overconsumption can kill a diabetic, what do you see happening?
I noticed a couple of factual errors in your post, so I edited them out for you. You're welcome!0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »1. per capita added sugar consumption has increased by about 10%, or 12 lbs per person, since 1980...
Sugar is killing humanity.
Sugar consumption went up roughly 1000% percent between the mid-1800s and the mid-1900s - yet life expectancy and overall health went up dramatically.
But somehow this last 10% increase is going to be the death of us?
Not seeing the logic in this...
The 1800s....before fridges, automobiles, televisions, electronics, population explosion, hospitals. People had to hunt or trade for food, had to defend property by themselves, had to worry about a plethora of uncurable communicable diseases, and had to fight in hand to hand wars.
Life expectancy has gone up drastically since the 1800s, but it will be going back down, I believe. And it takes decades to die from obesity. 1/3 of our kids today will probably die by the time they are 50, or be severely handicapped. Being that society only makes changes when people die, nothing will change in the coming years, and I am crazy, I know. There are too many variables to put sugar as the sole reason people will die. Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
No, sugar does not cause death, but it establishes eating habits that produce conditions that eventually lead to death. We have the JDRF for one reason: our kids are too fat bc they cant stop eating. The food is too tempting for them. Kids have diabetes for one reason, and one reason only: sugar overload. Childhood obesity and diabetes go hand in hand, and ultimately have one cause: eating too much. And how do people eat too much?
Since obesity hinders insulin production, overeating causes obesity, sugar causes overeating, tv time increases food intake, and lack of physical activity (caused by excess tv time) , and sugar overconsumption can kill a diabetic, what do you see happening?
I noticed a couple of factual errors in your post, so I edited them out for you. You're welcome!
I was about to do the same thing, although I wasn't going to strike through the "lack of physical activity" point.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »1. per capita added sugar consumption has increased by about 10%, or 12 lbs per person, since 1980...
Sugar is killing humanity.
Sugar consumption went up roughly 1000% percent between the mid-1800s and the mid-1900s - yet life expectancy and overall health went up dramatically.
But somehow this last 10% increase is going to be the death of us?
Not seeing the logic in this...
The 1800s....before fridges, automobiles, televisions, electronics, population explosion, hospitals. People had to hunt or trade for food, had to defend property by themselves, had to worry about a plethora of uncurable communicable diseases, and had to fight in hand to hand wars.
Life expectancy has gone up drastically since the 1800s, but it will be going back down, I believe. And it takes decades to die from obesity. 1/3 of our kids today will probably die by the time they are 50, or be severely handicapped. Being that society only makes changes when people die, nothing will change in the coming years, and I am crazy, I know. There are too many variables to put sugar as the sole reason people will die. Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
No, sugar does not cause death, but it establishes eating habits that produce conditions that eventually lead to death. We have the JDRF for one reason: our kids are too fat bc they cant stop eating. The food is too tempting for them. Kids have diabetes for one reason, and one reason only: sugar overload. Childhood obesity and diabetes go hand in hand, and ultimately have one cause: eating too much. And how do people eat too much?
Since obesity hinders insulin production, overeating causes obesity, sugar causes overeating, tv time increases food intake, and lack of physical activity (caused by excess tv time) , and sugar overconsumption can kill a diabetic, what do you see happening?
I noticed a couple of factual errors in your post, so I edited them out for you. You're welcome!
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RockstarWilson wrote: »Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
Seems to me that people have just as many problems with salty foods.
More to the point, that human beings have problems with will power--specifically, problems making the right choice between immediate bodily desires and what their rational mind is telling them they should do hardly requires a conclusion of addiction. Or else how can you explain all the moronic sex/romance-based choices that people make for almost identical reasons or even why they would blow off studying or working (and the related financial gains) to veg in front of the TV, go out drinking, or hang out with friends.
For that matter, how come lots of kids can't hold off for two marshmallows? Sugar addicts? Or a personality thing.
Human nature, so frustrating! ;-)sugar causes overeating
This is just not true.
People choose to overeat. That food is cheap and easy to acquire (without having to do the work of baking or employ someone who does) simply means that this choice is--in the short term--low cost. Doesn't mean it's not a choice still.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »1. per capita added sugar consumption has increased by about 10%, or 12 lbs per person, since 1980...
Sugar is killing humanity.
Sugar consumption went up roughly 1000% percent between the mid-1800s and the mid-1900s - yet life expectancy and overall health went up dramatically.
But somehow this last 10% increase is going to be the death of us?
Not seeing the logic in this...
The 1800s....before fridges, automobiles, televisions, electronics, population explosion, hospitals. People had to hunt or trade for food, had to defend property by themselves, had to worry about a plethora of uncurable communicable diseases, and had to fight in hand to hand wars.
Life expectancy has gone up drastically since the 1800s, but it will be going back down, I believe. And it takes decades to die from obesity. 1/3 of our kids today will probably die by the time they are 50, or be severely handicapped. Being that society only makes changes when people die, nothing will change in the coming years, and I am crazy, I know. There are too many variables to put sugar as the sole reason people will die. Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
No, sugar does not cause death, but it establishes eating habits that produce conditions that eventually lead to death. We have the JDRF for one reason: our kids are too fat bc they cant stop eating. The food is too tempting for them. Kids have diabetes for one reason, and one reason only: sugar overload. Childhood obesity and diabetes go hand in hand, and ultimately have one cause: eating too much. And how do people eat too much?
Since obesity hinders insulin production, overeating causes obesity, sugar causes overeating, tv time increases food intake, and lack of physical activity (caused by excess tv time) , and sugar overconsumption can kill a diabetic, what do you see happening?
I noticed a couple of factual errors in your post, so I edited them out for you. You're welcome!
Yes, factually I was wrong about the 1800s. The first automobile was in 1885, there were hospitals in the most populated areas, and there was electricity that powered light bulbs (but no video games...Cmon, Ben, you are slacking!).
So, why do you think 1/3 of our kids are fat? Bc they are outside playing soccer all day? And it is a FACT that tv time drastically alters food consumption. But really, I would like to have what you have to say. Your critiquing my post is irrelevant if you don't have a take.0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »RockstarWilson wrote: »1. per capita added sugar consumption has increased by about 10%, or 12 lbs per person, since 1980...
Sugar is killing humanity.
Sugar consumption went up roughly 1000% percent between the mid-1800s and the mid-1900s - yet life expectancy and overall health went up dramatically.
But somehow this last 10% increase is going to be the death of us?
Not seeing the logic in this...
The 1800s....before fridges, automobiles, televisions, electronics, population explosion, hospitals. People had to hunt or trade for food, had to defend property by themselves, had to worry about a plethora of uncurable communicable diseases, and had to fight in hand to hand wars.
Life expectancy has gone up drastically since the 1800s, but it will be going back down, I believe. And it takes decades to die from obesity. 1/3 of our kids today will probably die by the time they are 50, or be severely handicapped. Being that society only makes changes when people die, nothing will change in the coming years, and I am crazy, I know. There are too many variables to put sugar as the sole reason people will die. Sugar carries addictive qualities, maybe not to the degree that cigarettes do, but they are there. Just go through the threads and count up all the topics that include "I dont have the will power to give that up. Help me." This is speculation, but I would bet the farm that at least 90% of the foods they talk about are either sugary, or have hfcs in them.
No, sugar does not cause death, but it establishes eating habits that produce conditions that eventually lead to death. We have the JDRF for one reason: our kids are too fat bc they cant stop eating. The food is too tempting for them. Kids have diabetes for one reason, and one reason only: sugar overload. Childhood obesity and diabetes go hand in hand, and ultimately have one cause: eating too much. And how do people eat too much?
Since obesity hinders insulin production, overeating causes obesity, sugar causes overeating, tv time increases food intake, and lack of physical activity (caused by excess tv time) , and sugar overconsumption can kill a diabetic, what do you see happening?
I noticed a couple of factual errors in your post, so I edited them out for you. You're welcome!
Yes, factually I was wrong about the 1800s. The first automobile was in 1885, there were hospitals in the most populated areas, and there was electricity that powered light bulbs (but no video games...Cmon, Ben, you are slacking!).
So, why do you think 1/3 of our kids are fat? Bc they are outside playing soccer all day? And it is a FACT that tv time drastically alters food consumption. But really, I would like to have what you have to say. Your critiquing my post is irrelevant if you don't have a take.
You already mentioned it yourself. My take is that they are obese because they overeat. I agree with you there. I don't agree that sugar is a villain here. Excess calories are the culprit. And where are you getting the fact that watching tv affects eating habits?0 -
Honestly, screw all these opinions. A big navel orange (around 100 cal) fills me up more than beans or nuts. 2 Tbsp of almonds is 100 cal.... and it doesn't taste so good. People in America started getting obese in 1980, it's the processed *kitten* that makes you fat. Eat natural and you'll be fine. And for the smoothie argument, add a scoop or two of protein powder to your smoothie and once again you're fine.
A lot of people here limit fruit intake and then eat a shitload of processed food and justify it as fiber and fat. Keep your calories below the limit and you will lose weight no matter what.-1 -
vinogradov8 wrote: »Honestly, screw all these opinions. A big navel orange (around 100 cal) fills me up more than beans or nuts. 2 Tbsp of almonds is 100 cal.... and it doesn't taste so good. People in America started getting obese in 1980, it's the processed *kitten* that makes you fat. Eat natural and you'll be fine. And for the smoothie argument, add a scoop or two of protein powder to your smoothie and once again you're fine.
A lot of people here limit fruit intake and then eat a shitload of processed food and justify it as fiber and fat. Keep your calories below the limit and you will lose weight no matter what.
What? I'm pretty sure there are more pro fruit comments than con? But okay...
People, eat whatever you like. If you like almonds, have almonds. If you like fruit, have fruit. Just find a way to make it work within your calorie limit and macros.0 -
Speaking of kids getting fat.. someone just told me our (Aus) mcdonalds 'Large' sizes are Americas 'small' size.If this is correct, I dread to think how huge your large fries and coke are
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christinev297 wrote: »Speaking of kids getting fat.. someone just told me our (Aus) mcdonalds 'Large' sizes are Americas 'small' size.If this is correct, I dread to think how huge your large fries and coke are
Large fries...about as big as a 10 oz rib-eye.
Large coke....borderline 1-Liter if you top off before you leave the restaurant. And its not just mcdonalds. That is every fast food restaurant in America, except New York City. They seem to have their head screwed on right in that city, make up for a lack of parenting skills in this country, at least somewhat.
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