Cheese
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Alatariel75 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »I love good cheese, but man... I have a sick sick fondness for cheese in a can.
On ritz crackers ^^^
Try it on Sour Cream & Onion Pringles. Heaven!!
Um, I'm pretty sure you just changed my life. This is going to be my hockey snack for tomorrow night!0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
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what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
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what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
How do you make cheese without adding something to make a cheese product? I'm pretty sure that even is Kraft starts with "cheese" and adds to it, something is added prior to that cheese existing.
I make my goat cheese twice a week. To do so, I bring my goat milk up to 185(ish) degrees and add white vinegar or lemon juice. Curds form, whey is strained through cheesecloth. Without the addition of an acid, the hot milk just runs through the cheesecloth.
Anyway, is there really such a thing as a day without cheese?
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what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
So to make Gouda cheese, you have to add rennet, remove some curds, and add salt to brine it. Where are you drawing the line here? Because according to your definition, all Gouda is processed cheese. In fact, you add salt and rennet and oil to most cheeses.0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????0 -
Deliberately. bloody. obtuse. Keep ignoring and repeating PROCESSED PROCESSED like a freaking mantra. It makes you look uber smart, broski.0
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what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.0 -
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what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
so then by your own definition of processed cheese being things with "ingredients added" then all cheese is processed, right?0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
So to make Gouda cheese, you have to add rennet, remove some curds, and add salt to brine it. Where are you drawing the line here? Because according to your definition, all Gouda is processed cheese. In fact, you add salt and rennet and oil to most cheeses.
These are all ingredients that are added when processing the milk into cheese. So the final processed milk product would be Gouda. If you then took that milk product (cheese) and blended it with emulsifiers and oils to create softer, gouda sandwich slices, that would be processed cheese.0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
You aren't making sense. Kraft singles are milk. They add ingredients to the milk to get Kraft singles. Just like other cheesemakers add ingredients to the milk to get cheese. I'm not sure how you add ingredients to cheese and then it becomes non-cheese.
Here are the ingredients for a Kraft single:
Ingredients: milk, whey, milk protein concentrate, milkfat, sodium citrate, contains less than 2% of calcium phosphate, whey protein concentrate, salt, lactic acid, sorbic acid as a preservative, cheese culture, annatto and paprika extract (color), enzymes, vitamin d3.
Here are the ingredients for gouda cheese:
2 gallons whole milk.
1 packet direct-set mesophilic culture.
½ teaspoon rennet diluted in ¼ cup cool, unchlorinated water.
Cheese wax.
2 pounds cheese salt.
1 tablespoon calcium chloride.
1 gallon cold water
At which point does Kraft become non-cheese, but the gouda is still cheese?0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
So to make Gouda cheese, you have to add rennet, remove some curds, and add salt to brine it. Where are you drawing the line here? Because according to your definition, all Gouda is processed cheese. In fact, you add salt and rennet and oil to most cheeses.
These are all ingredients that are added when processing the milk into cheese. So the final processed milk product would be Gouda. If you then took that milk product (cheese) and blended it with emulsifiers and oils to create softer, gouda sandwich slices, that would be processed cheese.
LOL the verbal gymnastics you are performing are amusing….0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
You aren't making sense. Kraft singles are milk. They add ingredients to the milk to get Kraft singles. Just like other cheesemakers add ingredients to the milk to get cheese. I'm not sure how you add ingredients to cheese and then it becomes non-cheese.
Here are the ingredients for a Kraft single:
Ingredients: milk, whey, milk protein concentrate, milkfat, sodium citrate, contains less than 2% of calcium phosphate, whey protein concentrate, salt, lactic acid, sorbic acid as a preservative, cheese culture, annatto and paprika extract (color), enzymes, vitamin d3.
At which point does it become non-cheese?
at the point they process it, because processing?0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
so then by your own definition of processed cheese being things with "ingredients added" then all cheese is processed, right?
No, because cheese is milk with ingredients added.
This is processing - you add some stuff to one thing, and get another thing. Then you add some stuff to that thing, and get something else. And so on and so forth. As I said before, 'processed cheese' is specific terminology that refers to a specific thing.0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
so then by your own definition of processed cheese being things with "ingredients added" then all cheese is processed, right?
No, because cheese is milk with ingredients added.
This is processing - you add some stuff to one thing, and get another thing. Then you add some stuff to that thing, and get something else. And so on and so forth. As I said before, 'processed cheese' is specific terminology that refers to a specific thing.
So my sun-dried tomato and basil cheese curds from the farmers market...processed cheese food product?0 -
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
so then by your own definition of processed cheese being things with "ingredients added" then all cheese is processed, right?
No, because cheese is milk with ingredients added.
This is processing - you add some stuff to one thing, and get another thing. Then you add some stuff to that thing, and get something else. And so on and so forth. As I said before, 'processed cheese' is specific terminology that refers to a specific thing.
So my sun-dried tomato and basil cheese curds from the farmers market...processed cheese food product?
only if they added ingredients to it…oh wait...0 -
Gosh, I'm not sure I can make this any simpler
what the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
You aren't making sense. Kraft singles are milk. They add ingredients to the milk to get Kraft singles. Just like other cheesemakers add ingredients to the milk to get cheese. I'm not sure how you add ingredients to cheese and then it becomes non-cheese.
Here are the ingredients for a Kraft single:
Ingredients: milk, whey, milk protein concentrate, milkfat, sodium citrate, contains less than 2% of calcium phosphate, whey protein concentrate, salt, lactic acid, sorbic acid as a preservative, cheese culture, annatto and paprika extract (color), enzymes, vitamin d3.
Here are the ingredients for gouda cheese:
2 gallons whole milk.
1 packet direct-set mesophilic culture.
½ teaspoon rennet diluted in ¼ cup cool, unchlorinated water.
Cheese wax.
2 pounds cheese salt.
1 tablespoon calcium chloride.
1 gallon cold water
At which point does Kraft become non-cheese, but the gouda is still cheese?
Right - because Kraft is not allowed to be called cheese - it is a 'cheese product'. Maybe the FDA has more details on the manufacturing process.0 -
Cheese is amazing! A day without cheese of some kind is a day wasted!0
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Honestly, it's probably just easier if you guys do your own research. Like I said, 'processed cheese' is specific terminology. It doesn't refer to the things you are talking about.0
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LOL so cheese is no longer cheese when they add ingredients to it?Gosh, I'm not sure I can make this any simplerwhat the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
You aren't making sense. Kraft singles are milk. They add ingredients to the milk to get Kraft singles. Just like other cheesemakers add ingredients to the milk to get cheese. I'm not sure how you add ingredients to cheese and then it becomes non-cheese.
Here are the ingredients for a Kraft single:
Ingredients: milk, whey, milk protein concentrate, milkfat, sodium citrate, contains less than 2% of calcium phosphate, whey protein concentrate, salt, lactic acid, sorbic acid as a preservative, cheese culture, annatto and paprika extract (color), enzymes, vitamin d3.
Here are the ingredients for gouda cheese:
2 gallons whole milk.
1 packet direct-set mesophilic culture.
½ teaspoon rennet diluted in ¼ cup cool, unchlorinated water.
Cheese wax.
2 pounds cheese salt.
1 tablespoon calcium chloride.
1 gallon cold water
At which point does Kraft become non-cheese, but the gouda is still cheese?
Right - because Kraft is not allowed to be called cheese - it is a 'cheese product'. Maybe the FDA has more details on the manufacturing process.
I hope you realize how ridiculous that argument is...0 -
LOL so cheese is no longer cheese when they add ingredients to it?Gosh, I'm not sure I can make this any simplerwhat the hell would be wrong with cheese?
and what is "processed cheese"? Isn't all cheese processed????
Cheese itself is processed milk - but I see where you're coming from
Processed cheese is where cheese is taken and additional ingredients are added to make a cheese product - for example, Kraft singles and Dairylea.
but you could not make cheese without processing, right?
Of course. But the resulting product (i.e. cheese) is processed milk, not processed cheese. Cheese itself is processed from milk. The term 'processed' is used to describe products where the base ingredient (in this case, cheese) has been blended with additional ingredients. So processed milk = cheese. Processed cheese = Kraft singles. Processed grapes = wine. Processed wine... oh god, I don't even want to think about that
As I said, I see where you are coming from and why you might consider it that way, but in this case it's the wrong way of using it. It is perfectly acceptable to say that all cheese is processed. But 'processed cheese' is a specific term. English is an *kitten* of a language
so all cheese is processed, right?
Yes, all cheese is processed from milk. But 'processed cheese' is specific terminology with refers to the post-processing product. i.e. Cheese that has had things added.
it is a simple question.
is all cheese processed yes or no???
you seem to be saying yes,but you keep wanting to add a but …
Yes. all cheese is processed.
But not all cheese is 'processed cheese'. That is a specific term that refers to a product where additional ingredients are added to cheese.
The OP was discussing 'processed cheese' and people were struggling with the terminology. I hoped this explanation has helped.
good, so OP eats cheese that has been processed; even though she thinks she does not.
and how do you make any cheese without adding an ingredient to it?????
Correct, she eats cheese that has been processed. But, given the phrasing of her post, I suspect she does not eat 'processed cheese' (description above).
You don't - you add the ingredients to the milk. Then you get cheese.
You aren't making sense. Kraft singles are milk. They add ingredients to the milk to get Kraft singles. Just like other cheesemakers add ingredients to the milk to get cheese. I'm not sure how you add ingredients to cheese and then it becomes non-cheese.
Here are the ingredients for a Kraft single:
Ingredients: milk, whey, milk protein concentrate, milkfat, sodium citrate, contains less than 2% of calcium phosphate, whey protein concentrate, salt, lactic acid, sorbic acid as a preservative, cheese culture, annatto and paprika extract (color), enzymes, vitamin d3.
Here are the ingredients for gouda cheese:
2 gallons whole milk.
1 packet direct-set mesophilic culture.
½ teaspoon rennet diluted in ¼ cup cool, unchlorinated water.
Cheese wax.
2 pounds cheese salt.
1 tablespoon calcium chloride.
1 gallon cold water
At which point does Kraft become non-cheese, but the gouda is still cheese?
Right - because Kraft is not allowed to be called cheese - it is a 'cheese product'. Maybe the FDA has more details on the manufacturing process.
I hope you realize how ridiculous that argument is...
I'm not the one who made the rules on the legality on naming processed products Just saying how things are. 0 -
Just taking a step back here - we do all agree that cheese, in its many forms, is awesome, right??0
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Honestly, it's probably just easier if you guys do your own research. Like I said, 'processed cheese' is specific terminology. It doesn't refer to the things you are talking about.
I know exactly what the terminology refers to. You didn't explain it correctly, and then you started wildly moving goal posts.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Just taking a step back here - we do all agree that cheese, in its many forms, is awesome, right??
unless it is processed….
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I'm also not saying that people shouldn't eat processed cheese - it's fine, I eat it. It's just that people are confusing terminology.0
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Just taking a step back here - we do all agree that cheese, in its many forms, is awesome, right??
Yes! Except for the bleu cheeses, obvi.0
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