bye bye sugar and flour

boopsiegrl wrote: »

if I had stated my medical condition why would you feel different...if you think something is stupied, impractical or unnecessary why would being diabetic change that wouldn't your thoughts still be the same. I mean is red not still red to a blind person?

Some things are unnecessary absent a medical condition but necessary with one.

For example, I'm allergic to penicillin. Therefore, I can't take it. Insisting based on this that it's good for everyone to reject it would be silly, but clearly people who are allergic should.

Similarly, celiacs absolutely should avoid gluten. That doesn't mean I should. People who are lactose intolerant should avoid lactose, but I happen to find that many foods with lactose make me feel better overall, so I include dairy in my diet.

Most people, and even most diabetics, don't need to cut all added sugar (again, I assume that's what you mean) or flour, and may not even have any reason for treating those foods differently than other processed carbs (and yes, there are other processed carbs). However, it appears that you have serious medical reasons and have received medical advice to do so, and of course it may be necessary in some cases.

I did not say not to do it even before I read the follow-up post about diabetes and difficulties controlling it, because I think that there are a range of reasons people might benefit from trying various ways of eating that eliminate some foods for a period of time or even permanently, depending on what they are. However, when your given reason was that you didn't feel you could control yourself my mental reaction was different than when I heard it was a medical issue, since I think most people CAN learn to control themselves and when that's the issue understanding why you are being triggered and controlling yourself is generally more desirable, since you are going to be hit with temptation all the time and you don't want to create a mental reaction where if you have a bite of something you have a built in excuse that that means you WILL and MUST go wild. You want to be able to react with "I had a bite, that's nice, moving on." Or in some cases to decide to fit something you enjoy in without it being a big huge deal or derailing you somehow. But clearly someone who reacts in an extreme physical way to sugar, like a celiac who reacts in a physical way to gluten, has a different goal.

You can have a perfectly satisfying diet without flour and sugar, but if you've been eating lots of foods based on them for a while it might take some adjustment and learning about other foods you will love.

rebeccaschlaht wrote: »

Ok but why?

10 grams of apple sugar = 10 grams of candy bar sugar...

I just want to eat foods in there most natural state. I am a food addict and I gravitate to sugar, fat and salt. eating the way I have I dont eat a whole back for hershey kisses. This is just what I need to do to keep me on track. Like I said in my post I do it because it works for me.

So, theoretically, chewing directly on the sugar cane would be fine for you, right? It's not the sugar, as sugar, it's just your philosophy?

boopsiegrl wrote: »

I have decided to give up flour and sugar foods I know that also will mean I am giving up processed food since it will be one of the culprits...Anyone out there done this and what has your weight loss success been?

You did not say anything like that at all

My mom just started on insulin for her Type 2 diabetes. The nutritionist did focus on choosing foods with fiber in addition to carbohydrates because the fiber slows down digestion and doesn't dump the sugar into the bloodstream as quickly. For example, eat an apple vs. drinking a glass of apple juice.

The diabetes educator also informed us that not all diabetics process food the same exact way and therefore it is important to check your blood sugars frequently to see how YOUR body handles different forms of carbs. Some diabetics can eat 1 apple and see a spike in their CBG. Some can eat 3 apples and get no spike at all.

PudgyToPrincess wrote: »

I've lost 40 pounds staying away from flour and sugar. I followed the low carb, high fat diet and it was wonderful. Never hungry and sometimes even had to force myself to eat a little more during the day to hit 1,000 calories (it's not like that for everyone though, this was just what happened to me). Lots of energy, better overall mood, better focus during school. Ignore the people who question you, they have low will power if they can't NOT eat those things!

OP, you do you. If you want to do that kind of diet, you go ahead and do it regardless of what anyone thinks. I and many other people had a lot of success with it. If it works for you, wonderful! If it doesn't, oh well. Make sure to read up on it and you make an educated decision for yourself. You'll always find people who don't agree with your choices.

Who ever said that they can't not eat what they want. They're choosing moderation, which would be just as much of the definition of will power (if not more) than completely cutting it out.

Cutting it out for some means they don't have the will power to even have the foods around, let alone to have the will power to enjoy said foods in moderation.

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DeguelloTex wrote: »

So, theoretically, chewing directly on the sugar cane would be fine for you, right? It's not the sugar, as sugar, it's just your philosophy?

I think the truth behind these things is that they cut out the forms that they find most appealing and thus have trouble overeating. Chewing on the sugar cane would be fine, since who would overeat that way?

I personally just wish people wouldn't claim processing is evil or added sugar is evil or that it's a matter of addiction when it's not--it's about personal taste reactions and palatability.

I will never overeat smores or Big Macs--is that because I'm somehow immune to this addictive substance in these foods? No, it's because I personally don't like either. I still managed to become fat, mostly on whole foods (or in some cases restaurant meals from restaurants that cooked from whole foods).

Processing makes foods more available and inexpensive, which can contribute to our propensity toward obesity in a society where food is so easily available, so forcing yourself to eat from whole foods often makes it easier to lose weight just by making food more time intensive (sadly for me, the more you cook the less this effect exists, but it can be extreme for someone who had been eating lots of highly processed stuff, eating out a lot, getting fast food).

However, it annoys me when "processing" is discussed as if it were inherently bad or like all processed food is identical. Processing is one reason we have produce lots of places where there are long seasons when it's not locally available. It's why I have good seafood available, including salmon and fish from the ocean, when I live in the US midwest, and olive oil, for that matter. It's why people who like to focus on "lean meats" have some of the cuts they prefer. And plus it's why we have cheese, and I love cheese (although I eat it in moderation).

Yeah, it's usually blaming foods rather than actions because the former is much easier to do and to rationalize.

boopsiegrl wrote: »

I have decided to give up flour and sugar foods I know that also will mean I am giving up processed food since it will be one of the culprits...Anyone out there done this and what has your weight loss success been?

If you're just doing it for weight loss, then it could be the wrong approach for you. While REDUCING sugar and white flour products are fine, abstaining from it could lead to cravings high enough to binge when you can and lead back to significant weight gain.
If you DON'T intend to eat that way the rest of your life, then you probably shouldn't attempt a diet program like this.

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boopsiegrl wrote: »

I would like to this be a forever change I think it would be better for me with health issues and my inability to stop once I eat them.

Okay, if that's the case, then buck up and be consistent.

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lol smh GG GL

Processed foods like Soy Milk, Almond Milk, Cashew Milk, Gluten Free Flour, Pasta Noodles, Condiments, Frozen Fruits and Veggies.

Basically, you'll be eating worms? Good protein source, no processing

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boopsiegrl wrote: »

I have decided to give up flour and sugar foods I know that also will mean I am giving up processed food since it will be one of the culprits...Anyone out there done this and what has your weight loss success been?

I cut out all processed foods and I dont eat anything with added sugar. I am not afraid of sugar I am just doing this because I want to. I eat foods that have sugar in them naturally. I have lost 27lbs since Feb 23rd but I count my calories daily and exercise as much as i can. I walk up hills for my workouts. I know lots of people would disagree with me about what I eat but It really works for ME.

what would be the difference between added and natural sugar, that makes you avoid one and eat the other?

foods with naturally occurring sugars like fruit usually mitigate the effects with fiber, chewing resistance, and satiating nutrients, making it more difficult to overconsume.

Thanks, but I did not ask about fiber, I asked about sugar...

What's your question then?

what is the difference between natural sugar and added sugar? If your answer is "fiber" then the answer is there is not a difference. Because I can eat added sugar and still consume fiber, or if I want I can eat fiber with my added sugar...

Finally, I was asking the other poster and you decided to jump in ...but please, continue.

My answer was "fiber, chewing resistance, and satiating nutrients," among other things, like water, for example...

Despite common misconceptions, we really don't know it all when it comes to nutrition. You can't substitute an apple for water, fiber supplement, vitamin, and some sugar. It's not that simple.

Eating foods with naturally occurring sugar is different from eating foods with added sugar in their effects on the body's complex physiology, hormonal balance, etc.

If you don't believe this, that's fine. Don't preach what works for you. Be humble and open-minded. Nobody knows it all. And if you know just a little bit, you're much more likely to think you know it all!

Your answer about how the sugar was different was all about things other than, you know, sugar. He didn't ask how a spoonful of sugar was different from a handful of strawberries. You do understand how completely non-responsive your answer is, right?

Glad I'm not the only one that was wondering how his original question had resulted in some fork in the road let's detour here answer.

Boopsie, talk to your doctor. Get his/her opinion on cutting these things completely out of your diet versus reducing/limiting them in your diet. If s/he agrees that this is a good idea for you to help control your diabetes then forget what anyone else says.
(And, you really should have mentioned the health issues in your original post. It makes a great difference in how your question is perceived.)

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Sakismom wrote: »

I cut out all white sugar and flour and within 2 weeks I lost 13 pounds. I switched to all whole foods, clean foods, I am not hungry and the inches are flying off. The processed food is the culprit, even salt has sugar in it.

ah, yeah