Empty calories list....
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lemurcat12 wrote: »
right, so when i put BBQ sauce on my ribs they become empty …
I guess I should move out of the south ….
I don't think it's just the sauce. I think they are saying anything high fat (if it's sat fat, at least).
That's why my examples of pork shoulder and skin-on chicken above would have lots of empty calories according to that way of thinking about it.
Which, for the record, I do not agree with.
Edit to add:
"Solid fats are fats that are solid at room temperature, like butter, beef fat, and shortening. Some solid fats are found naturally in foods."
I don't get the hate for "solid fats." So butter isn't good, but olive oil is okay? Even though butter has a better micronutrient profile. It just seems so arbitrary.0 -
What in the world are you even talking about? Diluting nutrients? Fats dilute nutrients? Sugar dilutes nutrients? The glucose in fruit dilutes nutrients? Oh wait, i guess they have to be refined for your body to do that right? And who eats deep fried gummi bears covered in sugar? If there was ever a strawman award you ended the contest forever with that one.
You aren't using your ability to apply situations to real life.Can you answer the real life situation I asked earlier?
You didn't ask. You just mocked me. But, you seem to argue that there is no empty calories. That all food serves a function. That food should not be divided into good or bad, and that fat and sugar is not evil. I agree.
I have only tried to understand the definitions and measurements that were stated on the link in the original post. What they are actually measuring, and whether it is a useful variable regardless of whether it is called empty calories or not.
I am definitely abandoning this thread now though. I misunderstood the situation.
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What exactly is "solid fat"? What foods would be an example of something that contains a "not solid fat" that would apparently not be an empty calorie? Confused.lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, nice to know that I added some "empty calories" to my omelet this morning (feta cheese).
Cheese is so not empty! I don't even love cheese very much, but I rely on it to help me reach my protein goals as well as my calcium. Bang for the buck, people!
Hi,
You can get the daily amount of calcium through a tablespoon of sesame and linseed omega 3 by a soup spoon. the protein you can get from broccoli .
I stopped drinking milk because several negative studies , and I chose to make my own almond milk with honey and pure cocoa .
please link us to the negative studies….
Hi,
here is one from sweden:
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
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What exactly is "solid fat"? What foods would be an example of something that contains a "not solid fat" that would apparently not be an empty calorie? Confused.lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, nice to know that I added some "empty calories" to my omelet this morning (feta cheese).
Cheese is so not empty! I don't even love cheese very much, but I rely on it to help me reach my protein goals as well as my calcium. Bang for the buck, people!
Hi,
You can get the daily amount of calcium through a tablespoon of sesame and linseed omega 3 by a soup spoon. the protein you can get from broccoli .
I stopped drinking milk because several negative studies , and I chose to make my own almond milk with honey and pure cocoa .
You can. So what? You can also reproduce without ever having sex. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »What exactly is "solid fat"? What foods would be an example of something that contains a "not solid fat" that would apparently not be an empty calorie? Confused.lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, nice to know that I added some "empty calories" to my omelet this morning (feta cheese).
Cheese is so not empty! I don't even love cheese very much, but I rely on it to help me reach my protein goals as well as my calcium. Bang for the buck, people!
Hi,
You can get the daily amount of calcium through a tablespoon of sesame and linseed omega 3 by a soup spoon. the protein you can get from broccoli .
I stopped drinking milk because several negative studies , and I chose to make my own almond milk with honey and pure cocoa .
You can. So what? You can also reproduce without ever having sex. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Look you can eat whatever you want.
I am not forcing anyone to eat these foods, just sharing some information.
If you like your sodas with pizzas, just keep eating them.
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from this website:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/475404-definition-of-empty-calories/
"Other sources of empty calories may contain important nutrients, but their calorie count is so high that it makes little difference. Examples include fried chicken, whole milk and regular ground beef, which contain protein as well as a high amount of solid fats, as well as sweetened applesauce and cereals, both of which contain fiber and other vitamins, as well as added sugars. "0 -
Livestrong isn't a reputable site to get information from.0
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from this website:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/475404-definition-of-empty-calories/
"Other sources of empty calories may contain important nutrients, but their calorie count is so high that it makes little difference. Examples include fried chicken, whole milk and regular ground beef, which contain protein as well as a high amount of solid fats, as well as sweetened applesauce and cereals, both of which contain fiber and other vitamins, as well as added sugars. "
What is your point? Aside from giving another definition of empty calories, which is pretty much the same as the one linked in the OP?0 -
Who can hate butter?! My god...it's devine! Just don't eat a cup full?0
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What exactly is "solid fat"? What foods would be an example of something that contains a "not solid fat" that would apparently not be an empty calorie? Confused.lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, nice to know that I added some "empty calories" to my omelet this morning (feta cheese).
Cheese is so not empty! I don't even love cheese very much, but I rely on it to help me reach my protein goals as well as my calcium. Bang for the buck, people!
Hi,
You can get the daily amount of calcium through a tablespoon of sesame and linseed omega 3 by a soup spoon. the protein you can get from broccoli .
I stopped drinking milk because several negative studies , and I chose to make my own almond milk with honey and pure cocoa .
please link us to the negative studies….
Hi,
here is one from sweden:
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
That is probably the weirdest study I've ever seen. I don't even know where to begin.
This study made the spotlight in many newschannels in europe.
Why do you think is weird?
I view some good points:
- Made by sweden
- made by a public, independent organism
- objective
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What exactly is "solid fat"? What foods would be an example of something that contains a "not solid fat" that would apparently not be an empty calorie? Confused.lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, nice to know that I added some "empty calories" to my omelet this morning (feta cheese).
Cheese is so not empty! I don't even love cheese very much, but I rely on it to help me reach my protein goals as well as my calcium. Bang for the buck, people!
Hi,
You can get the daily amount of calcium through a tablespoon of sesame and linseed omega 3 by a soup spoon. the protein you can get from broccoli .
I stopped drinking milk because several negative studies , and I chose to make my own almond milk with honey and pure cocoa .
please link us to the negative studies….
Hi,
here is one from sweden:
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
That is probably the weirdest study I've ever seen. I don't even know where to begin.
I just keep thinking...they spent 20+ years on that. Why?0 -
What exactly is "solid fat"? What foods would be an example of something that contains a "not solid fat" that would apparently not be an empty calorie? Confused.lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, nice to know that I added some "empty calories" to my omelet this morning (feta cheese).
Cheese is so not empty! I don't even love cheese very much, but I rely on it to help me reach my protein goals as well as my calcium. Bang for the buck, people!
Hi,
You can get the daily amount of calcium through a tablespoon of sesame and linseed omega 3 by a soup spoon. the protein you can get from broccoli .
I stopped drinking milk because several negative studies , and I chose to make my own almond milk with honey and pure cocoa .
please link us to the negative studies….
Hi,
here is one from sweden:
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
That is probably the weirdest study I've ever seen. I don't even know where to begin.
the fact that the woman were aged 45 to 74 and they followed them for 20 years and then list that some died….oh really? you mean from old age?????? What the hell...0 -
To use your logic, wouldn't a better approach be to teach someone what an appropriate portion is, rather than tell them the food is "empty calories" and should be avoided? If they read this list and stop eating pizza because it's empty, they still won't learn what an appropriate portion for pizza is. Rather than focusing on "good foods" and "bad foods" (which is what referencing "empty calories" really is,) the focus should be on portion size and overall nutrition.Right, I understand. Pizza isn't necessarily bad. None of it is "bad" eaten in moderation. But that's the problem with most of our culture...no one actually knows what moderation is anymore. Someone who is used to downing 8 slices of pizza might need to take a break from it until he figures out what an appropriate portion is.
I'm not saying this is a perfect approach, but as evidenced by the growing obesity problem, most people really can't control themselves without going through a lot of education and change.0 -
What exactly is "solid fat"? What foods would be an example of something that contains a "not solid fat" that would apparently not be an empty calorie? Confused.lemurcat12 wrote: »Also, nice to know that I added some "empty calories" to my omelet this morning (feta cheese).
Cheese is so not empty! I don't even love cheese very much, but I rely on it to help me reach my protein goals as well as my calcium. Bang for the buck, people!
Hi,
You can get the daily amount of calcium through a tablespoon of sesame and linseed omega 3 by a soup spoon. the protein you can get from broccoli .
I stopped drinking milk because several negative studies , and I chose to make my own almond milk with honey and pure cocoa .
please link us to the negative studies….
Hi,
here is one from sweden:
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
That is probably the weirdest study I've ever seen. I don't even know where to begin.
This study made the spotlight in many newschannels in europe.
Why do you think is weird?
I view some good points:
- Made by sweden
- made by a public, independent organism
- objective
IKEA furniture is also made by Sweden. But I don't expect my Karlstad sofa to last for 20 years and, unlike this study, at least I know what the point of its existence is.
If everyone in this study owned a Karlstad sofa, you could draw the same conclusions. Except it would be hip fractures from crappy polyfoam cushions instead of lactose, and death by furniture collapse instead of natural causes.0 -
Empty calories = kale
There is nothing redeeming about those calories0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Empty calories = kale
There is nothing redeeming about those calories
Agreed.
But according to the link in the OP, even a serving of fruit-flavored low-fat yogurt is my daily allowance of empty calories.
I think that's the first time I've seen yogurt labelled as nutritionally deficient.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Empty calories = kale
There is nothing redeeming about those calories
Oh, c'mon. It so happens that I can meet my protein goal and get about half of my fat goal with just 2700 grams of kale. Also 97 grams of fiber and 61 grams of sugar!0 -
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These quotes are also found on that page and on the links directly under this page's link:
Solid fats and added sugars add calories to the food but few or no nutrients. For this reason, the calories from solid fats and added sugars in a food are often called empty calories. (True, not an uncommon expression.)
A small amount of empty calories is okay, but most people eat far more than is healthy. It is important to limit empty calories to the amount that fits your calorie and nutrient needs. You can lower your intake by eating and drinking foods and beverages containing empty calories less often or by decreasing the amount you eat or drink.
The limit for empty calories is based on estimated calorie needs by age/gender group. Physical activity increases calorie needs, so those who are more physically active need more total calories and have a larger limit for empty calories. The chart gives a general guide.
These amounts are appropriate for individuals who get less than 30 minutes of moderate physical activity most days. Those who are more active need more total calories, and have a higher limit for empty calories. To find your personal total calorie needs and empty calories limit, enter your information into "My Daily Food Plan."
Sounds like moderation (for which the specifics of what that means can be as diverse as how to "eat clean") and what most people on these forums advocate for. Overall, hit your nutrients most of the time and include a treat in your day, which will be influenced by age, gender, activity level. Myplate doesn't advocate a grain/dairy/oil/fat free diet. It's a great resource for people who need or benefit from the structure and information. It also doesn't say that pizza is an empty calorie foods, just that it's a food containing a higher number of empty calories.
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Would Iceburg lettuce and cucumbers be considered empty calories due to their low nutritional value? Would Lucky Charms be considered a super food?
No, because the definition on MyPlate states that empty calories come from solid fats and/or added sugars. It mentions that things like "A few plant oils, including coconut oil and palm oil, are high in saturated fats and for nutritional purposes are considered solid fats."
"Solid fats and oils provide the same number of calories per gram. However, oils are generally better for your health than solid fats because they contain less saturated fats and/or trans fats." "Oils are NOT a food group, but they provide essential nutrients. Therefore, oils are included in USDA food patterns." "A few plant oils, however, including coconut oil, palm oil, and palm kernel oil, are high in saturated fats and for nutritional purposes should be considered to be solid fats."0 -
Always screw up my edits.0
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These quotes are also found on that page and on the links directly under this page's link:
Solid fats and added sugars add calories to the food but few or no nutrients. For this reason, the calories from solid fats and added sugars in a food are often called empty calories. (True, not an uncommon expression.)
A small amount of empty calories is okay, but most people eat far more than is healthy. It is important to limit empty calories to the amount that fits your calorie and nutrient needs. You can lower your intake by eating and drinking foods and beverages containing empty calories less often or by decreasing the amount you eat or drink.
The limit for empty calories is based on estimated calorie needs by age/gender group. Physical activity increases calorie needs, so those who are more physically active need more total calories and have a larger limit for empty calories. The chart gives a general guide.
These amounts are appropriate for individuals who get less than 30 minutes of moderate physical activity most days. Those who are more active need more total calories, and have a higher limit for empty calories. To find your personal total calorie needs and empty calories limit, enter your information into "My Daily Food Plan."
Sounds like moderation (for which the specifics of what that means can be as diverse as how to "eat clean") and what most people on these forums advocate for. Overall, hit your nutrients most of the time and include a treat in your day, which will be influenced by age, gender, activity level. Myplate doesn't advocate a grain/dairy/oil/fat free diet. It's a great resource for people who need or benefit from the structure and information. It also doesn't say that pizza is an empty calorie foods, just that it's a food containing a higher number of empty calories.
So from what I'm seeing is that saturated fat is considered a "solid fat", right? Are we again saying saturated fat is bad but not because of vitamins and minerals it's lacking? What about the role of saturated fat that is link to testosterone?
They have a link explaining the solid fats v oils and the definitions. Unless I missed it, they don't advocate for completely avoiding saturated fat. And Lucky Charms would not be considered a super food nor an empty calorie food. They would label the calories coming from the added sugars as empty calories, not the entire food.
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Would Iceburg lettuce and cucumbers be considered empty calories due to their low nutritional value? Would Lucky Charms be considered a super food?
This is what I first thought of as "empty calories". Water, Celery, lettuce, etc... Empty means none/zero, so 0 cal. foods. (or close to 0)
That is just a ridicules label, they need to find a better one.0 -
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Pfft! That's got nothing on Colon Blow cereal!lemurcat12 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Empty calories = kale
There is nothing redeeming about those calories
Oh, c'mon. It so happens that I can meet my protein goal and get about half of my fat goal with just 2700 grams of kale. Also 97 grams of fiber and 61 grams of sugar!
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Jsckpot! I knew there would be delicious noms on this thread. Now we just need pics!0
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I should have been obese by now with the amount of empty calories I eat on a daily basis.
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