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  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
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    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    Did you even read the link?

    The second paragraph says this...
    The average sedentary adult needs to consume only 30 to 60 grams of dietary protein per day to replace amino acids used by the body (4.) It is true that as an athlete exercises, more amino acids and protein are used by the body than a sedentary person, thus the need for dietary protein may increase. However, one must keep in mind that protein contains calories, and any excess calories that are not burned are stored as fat, and protein is an inefficient source of energy for the body to use
  • Leslierussell4134
    Leslierussell4134 Posts: 376 Member
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    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.
  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
    edited June 2015
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    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    To add:

    It's 0.60-0.80 grams of protein per 1 pound of bodyweight. Adjust as your weight changes.

    For a 300 lb. obese person to consume 240 grams of protein a day at 0.80 g/lb. would be overkill. A more realstic daily goal for this type of person is 0.60 g/lb., which is 180 grams protein, which is 720 calories from protein per day. Maybe even less per doctor's orders. The extremes (either very underweight or obese) may not be subject to the standard 0.60-0.80 g/lb. range.

    I'm 165 lbs. At 0.80 g/lb., I only need 132 grams of protein MAXIMUM per day. 99 grams would even be fine according to the latest science.

    This is why it is better to suggest a range vs. a flat amount or identical figure for everyone.
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member
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    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.

    Nice try at backpedaling. The amounts quoted in the article are almost exactly the same as the OP's recommendations, which you deemed "excessive".

    Just quit while you are behind.

  • Leslierussell4134
    Leslierussell4134 Posts: 376 Member
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    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.

    Nice try at backpedaling. The amounts quoted in the article are almost exactly the same as the OP's recommendations, which you deemed "excessive".

    Just quit while you are behind.

    It's fun learning and talking until someone becomes rude. So thanks for that. Here's another link to a suggestion in pounds vs kg. Just another example or a range they determined for active adults. Many women are not growing athletes but are still pretty active. So I completely agree with the OP that there is a range, so what if I think his recommendation is a bit excessive, I still like his post and it is very informative. He so has great cooking strategy. I was a vegan for 3 years and incorporated weights into all my workouts, was lean and 130 lbs, and was able to maintain lean muscle mass under 60 grams of protein a day.

    http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/caryn/protein.html
  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
    edited June 2015
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    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    so what if I think his recommendation is a bit excessive

    http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/caryn/protein.html

    That link is a proponent 0.60-0.80 g/lb. (not g/kg)... which was exactly what I said, and numerous scientific studies on the topic have suggested is best.

    I'm confused at why you think you need less.

    What I am not confused by is that at 130 lbs, 60 grams of protein would be under what you should be consuming daily. The minimum reported by science would be 78 grams protein per day for that weight.
  • Leslierussell4134
    Leslierussell4134 Posts: 376 Member
    edited June 2015
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    sixxpoint wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    To add:

    It's 0.60-0.80 grams of protein per 1 pound of bodyweight. Adjust as your weight changes.

    For a 300 lb. obese person to consume 240 grams of protein a day at 0.80 g/lb. would be overkill. A more realstic daily goal for this type of person is 0.60 g/lb., which is 180 grams protein, which is 720 calories from protein per day. Maybe even less per doctor's orders. The extremes (either very underweight or obese) may not be subject to the standard 0.60-0.80 g/lb. range.

    I'm 165 lbs. At 0.80 g/lb., I only need 132 grams of protein MAXIMUM per day. 99 grams would even be fine according to the latest science.

    This is why it is better to suggest a range vs. a flat amount or identical figure for everyone.

    I still think we agree on most points here, ranges and all. Just coming from a reformed vegan (meat is too awesome and as chef I think you can appreciate that) I have a slightly different view and have been able to maintain great lean muscle on the lower end of the ranges.
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    To add:

    It's 0.60-0.80 grams of protein per 1 pound of bodyweight. Adjust as your weight changes.

    For a 300 lb. obese person to consume 240 grams of protein a day at 0.80 g/lb. would be overkill. A more realstic daily goal for this type of person is 0.60 g/lb., which is 180 grams protein, which is 720 calories from protein per day. Maybe even less per doctor's orders. The extremes (either very underweight or obese) may not be subject to the standard 0.60-0.80 g/lb. range.

    I'm 165 lbs. At 0.80 g/lb., I only need 132 grams of protein MAXIMUM per day. 99 grams would even be fine according to the latest science.

    This is why it is better to suggest a range vs. a flat amount or identical figure for everyone.

    I still think we agree on most points here, ranges and all. Just coming from a reformed vegan (meat is too awesome and as I chef I think you can appreciate that) I have a slightly different view and have been able to maintain great lean muscle on the lower end of the ranges.

  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
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    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.

    The guideline that someone ideally needs .6-.8 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is not a "misconsumption" (lol). If you are lifting weights and trying to add muscle mass you need the protein along with sufficient caloric intake. If you are losing weight and eating at a deficit you need to make sure you're eating enough protein in order to retain as much muscle as possible while losing.

    I don't know why you seem so intent on coming into these forums and schooling everyone on what's right and what's wrong simply because you're a nurse. You have made it clear in many threads that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to be an active member on the forums, that's fine - we were all new at one time, too. But you need to humble yourself and understand that you do not have all the answers. Less talking (read: schooling) and more listening. You might actually learn something.
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
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    sixxpoint wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    so what if I think his recommendation is a bit excessive

    http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/caryn/protein.html

    That link is a proponent 0.60-0.80 g/lb. (not g/kg)... which was exactly what I said, and numerous scientific studies on the topic have suggested is best.

    I'm confused at why you think you need less.

    What I am not confused by is that at 130 lbs, 60 grams of protein would be under what you should be consuming daily. The minimum reported by science would be 78 grams protein per day for that weight.

    Leslie, sixxpoint is correct in this regard - that is the corresponding recommendation for someone training OR in a weight loss regimen - it isn't just about "building muscle" but lbm sparing during weight loss AND satiety. You might individually do fine lower, but the optimal reco based on various research hits his range. It's also outlined in the macro and protein thread links in my profile done by Sara.
  • Leslierussell4134
    Leslierussell4134 Posts: 376 Member
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    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.

    The guideline that someone ideally needs .6-.8 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is not a "misconsumption" (lol). If you are lifting weights and trying to add muscle mass you need the protein along with sufficient caloric intake. If you are losing weight and eating at a deficit you need to make sure you're eating enough protein in order to retain as much muscle as possible while losing.

    I don't know why you seem so intent on coming into these forums and schooling everyone on what's right and what's wrong simply because you're a nurse. You have made it clear in many threads that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to be an active member on the forums, that's fine - we were all new at one time, too. But you need to humble yourself and understand that you do not have all the answers. Less talking (read: schooling) and more listening. You might actually learn something.

    Can you stop following me around, it's turning into harassment. Just don't pay attention to me if you don't like what I say or think I'm less than you. I have a right to be here as much as you do. And I'm not "schooling anyone." People come to forums to ask what has worked for others, this has worked for me. That is all.
  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
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    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.

    The guideline that someone ideally needs .6-.8 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is not a "misconsumption" (lol). If you are lifting weights and trying to add muscle mass you need the protein along with sufficient caloric intake. If you are losing weight and eating at a deficit you need to make sure you're eating enough protein in order to retain as much muscle as possible while losing.

    I don't know why you seem so intent on coming into these forums and schooling everyone on what's right and what's wrong simply because you're a nurse. You have made it clear in many threads that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to be an active member on the forums, that's fine - we were all new at one time, too. But you need to humble yourself and understand that you do not have all the answers. Less talking (read: schooling) and more listening. You might actually learn something.

    Can you stop following me around, it's turning into harassment. Just don't pay attention to me if you don't like what I say or think I'm less than you. I have a right to be here as much as you do. And I'm not "schooling anyone." People come to forums to ask what has worked for others, this has worked for me. That is all.

    Quit posting bad info, and people will probably stop responding to you.
  • Leslierussell4134
    Leslierussell4134 Posts: 376 Member
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    ceoverturf wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.

    The guideline that someone ideally needs .6-.8 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is not a "misconsumption" (lol). If you are lifting weights and trying to add muscle mass you need the protein along with sufficient caloric intake. If you are losing weight and eating at a deficit you need to make sure you're eating enough protein in order to retain as much muscle as possible while losing.

    I don't know why you seem so intent on coming into these forums and schooling everyone on what's right and what's wrong simply because you're a nurse. You have made it clear in many threads that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to be an active member on the forums, that's fine - we were all new at one time, too. But you need to humble yourself and understand that you do not have all the answers. Less talking (read: schooling) and more listening. You might actually learn something.

    Can you stop following me around, it's turning into harassment. Just don't pay attention to me if you don't like what I say or think I'm less than you. I have a right to be here as much as you do. And I'm not "schooling anyone." People come to forums to ask what has worked for others, this has worked for me. That is all.

    Quit posting bad info, and people will probably stop responding to you.

    Not my info, took it from various universities and simply stated that I like to eat the low end of the ranges recommended, it's been successful for me.
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
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    ceoverturf wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    FunkyTobias wrote: »
    Leslierussell4134 wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    isulo_kura wrote: »
    sixxpoint wrote: »
    The proper amount of protein is between 0.60 to 0.82 grams per 1 lb. bodyweight.
    Actually it's per kilo of bodyweight not pounds. As a kilo is 2.2 pounds You're recommending probably double what most people need. This from a RD
    http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/060114p22.shtml

    No... Pounds.

    Example: 160 lb. Person = 96 to 131 g protein per day. Toward the higher end if you are weightlifting.

    Some people recommend a perfect 1 gram to lb. or more for Protein but this is overkill.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15798080
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11023001
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14971434
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1763249
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15212752
    http://sportsci.org/jour/9901/rbk.html

    This amount seems excessive, The CDC only recommends 46 grams for women and 56 for men as adults. Obviosuly as activities increase so should calories, but not necessarily from protein proportionately. The CDC never suggested a formula as to how many grams/kg/day, but I'm guessing if they did it would be in Kilograms not pounds, since we're just about the only country left who uses the imperial system.
    Of course there is a range and men do need more than woman, especially men with large amounts of muscle to support.

    The CDC recommendations are minimums to prevent malnutrition. Optimal intake for body composition is an entirely different matter.

    Well many others says it as well, starting at 0.8g/kg/day.
    160 lb person that would be 58g

    http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/Protein.htm

    I love it when people don't read their own links.

    FTA:

    A study done by Fern et. al (1991) showed that greater gains in body mass occur over four weeks of heavy weight training when young men consumed 3.3 versus 1.3 grams if protein per kilogram of body mass. In addition a study done by Meredith et al. (1992) found that a daily dietary supplement containing 23 grams of protein combined with weight training can enhance muscle mass gains relative to similar subjects who trained with out the supplement. Both of the studies show support for the belief that increased protein in the diet can help increase muscle mass, but it should be noted that these effects were found with a combination of intake and training. These two studies further indicated that a protein intake of about 1.7 - 1.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day, when combined with weight training will enhance muscle development compared with similar training with an intake of 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day (5.)

    (bold mine)



    I read it, and pointing out that there is a RANGE, it all depends on your activity and intensity. Many people think if they lift any type of weight they need mass amounts of protein, and I am trying to break down that misconsumption, that's all.
    I already stated many athletes, especially men need more to sustain large amounts of muscle.

    The guideline that someone ideally needs .6-.8 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight is not a "misconsumption" (lol). If you are lifting weights and trying to add muscle mass you need the protein along with sufficient caloric intake. If you are losing weight and eating at a deficit you need to make sure you're eating enough protein in order to retain as much muscle as possible while losing.

    I don't know why you seem so intent on coming into these forums and schooling everyone on what's right and what's wrong simply because you're a nurse. You have made it clear in many threads that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to be an active member on the forums, that's fine - we were all new at one time, too. But you need to humble yourself and understand that you do not have all the answers. Less talking (read: schooling) and more listening. You might actually learn something.

    Can you stop following me around, it's turning into harassment. Just don't pay attention to me if you don't like what I say or think I'm less than you. I have a right to be here as much as you do. And I'm not "schooling anyone." People come to forums to ask what has worked for others, this has worked for me. That is all.

    Quit posting bad info, and people will probably stop responding to you.

    This.
    Can you stop following me around, it's turning into harassment. Just don't pay attention to me if you don't like what I say or think I'm less than you. I have a right to be here as much as you do. And I'm not "schooling anyone." People come to forums to ask what has worked for others, this has worked for me. That is all.

    I come into the threads and read and help people where I can, and I refute bad info when I see it. Many other MFP members do the same thing. If you would stop posting misinformation, then maybe I and other members would stop disputing the incorrect things that you post.

    I never said that you were "less than me," and I'm not following you around, so don't flatter yourself. I do think it's funny that you talked down to someone in another thread because "they likely wouldn't understand" and then accuse me of talking down to you. If I recall, I've personally only debated your posts in one other thread.
  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
    edited June 2015
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    Oh boy...

    Some tips:

    1. Don't tell us what has personally worked for you in regard to nutrition, fitness, weight loss etc. Many people around the world take different paths, which most of the time are not based on science or logic and may be potentially harmful to human health. Sure you will see the weight shed off at 900 calories a day with no regard toward optimal protein, dietary fat, fiber, water, and micronutrients, but that doesn't mean you are doing things even remotely right.

    2. If you are absolutely certain you can assist because you know the facts, then speak up. Otherwise, it would probably be a better choice to ask questions. Do not speak up just to regurgitate information you heard multiple times that you necessarily don't understand. In both of these cases, your best scenario is to learn more, listen, read, ask, and absorb.

    3. Try not to take it personally when someone calls you out on poor advice. Be humble and admit that you might be wrong or politely ask why you are wrong if you don't understand. We are all grown adults here. There is no need for hurt feelings and "abusing" the abuse button like a few grown adults were so gracious to do to me.

    4. We are a community here. A community on the path toward betterment, fitness, nutrition, and optimal health. Unless someone is blatantly rude and abusive to you for no reason, then there is no need to get riled up. But if that is the case, report them... However, that is hardly ever the case. In most cases, people are just too prideful to admit that they might actually be wrong. Solution: More logic, less emotion.
  • Leslierussell4134
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    I didn't report anyone, nor do I care to. Forums are supposed to be a place to share knowledge through experience and what has worked for others as well as being evidence based practice. People can read recommendation and articles themselves otherwise. So big deal I can train on 0.5g of protein per pound...it is part of a recommendation, the lighter end of so. You'll never find a registered dietitian, doctor, nurse or other person with some type of pertinent profession that agrees on every topic. That's okay by me, obviously not for you. I'm not trying to gain muscle,I maintain, and according to my albumin levels, I'm doing pretty well. Anyway, moving on, I'm greatful for all the friend requests since we started this convo, not all people feel like you or me, that's just a reality.
  • dalysm86
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    sixxpoint wrote: »
    Maybe, if you're local to NJ. I charge though :)

    What part in nj?
  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
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    Morristown :) ~ Northeast
  • jddnw
    jddnw Posts: 319 Member
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    What does it mean when someone's profile pic has bars on it? Did you get in trouble?

    zo1s1hk3vsfy.png

  • sixxpoint
    sixxpoint Posts: 3,529 Member
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    If you violate one of the many rules posted here, http://www.myfitnesspal.com/welcome/guidelines then yes... you get a time-out.

    Quite easy to do, so be careful :)

  • Indigoblu1
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    Well, sixx, this is not a cooking question (although I could ask you a million of them), have you ever toyed with the idea of trying out for one of the cooking challenge shows (chopped, etc)?

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