Red meat is GOOD for you! How Americans got it wrong...
Hypsibius
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Great article: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/06/how-americans-used-to-eat/371895/
"About one fifth of the U.S. population was over 50 years old in 1900. This number would seem to refute the familiar argument that people formerly didn’t live long enough for heart disease to emerge as an observable problem." "Ironically—or perhaps tellingly—the heart disease “epidemic” began after a period of exceptionally reduced meat eating."
And this gem: "Charles Dickens, when he visited [America], wrote that “no breakfast was breakfast” without a T-bone steak."
Friends: Eat your red meat guilt-free as part of a delicious whole foods diet -- #CleanEating 101. I suspect this global food sickness is due to the modern introduction of processed junk and absurd amounts of added sugar.
I'll just leave this here:
"About one fifth of the U.S. population was over 50 years old in 1900. This number would seem to refute the familiar argument that people formerly didn’t live long enough for heart disease to emerge as an observable problem." "Ironically—or perhaps tellingly—the heart disease “epidemic” began after a period of exceptionally reduced meat eating."
And this gem: "Charles Dickens, when he visited [America], wrote that “no breakfast was breakfast” without a T-bone steak."
Friends: Eat your red meat guilt-free as part of a delicious whole foods diet -- #CleanEating 101. I suspect this global food sickness is due to the modern introduction of processed junk and absurd amounts of added sugar.
I'll just leave this here:
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Them pesky 'muricans trying to stifle our 32nd amendment right to free steak.0
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Now I'm salivating...0
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Mmmm meat.0
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Some of us don't have the resources to eat steak for breakfast every day.0
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midwesterner85 wrote: »Some of us don't have the resources to eat steak for breakfast every day.
Little known* fact People say that Dickens was paid by the word for his writings. He was actually paid by the t-bone.
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meat, grains, corn, soybeans, and legumes are GREAT "calorie reservoirs". These same foods cease to be as important in a situation of overabundant calories available.
ANYTHING that gives you calories is "healthy" in a situation with an otherwise lack of calories.
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I think the heart disease up tic coincides well a more sedentary lifestyle and the availability of cheap high fat foods.0
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Little known* fact People say that Dickens was paid by the word for his writings. He was actually paid by the t-bone.
* totally made up
You just posted it on the interwebz...so now it's true.0 -
The basic premise that we should eat like our ancestors is full of idealistic poppycock.
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LOL
"NINA TEICHOLZ"
Quacks gonna quack
"The justification for this idea, that our ancestors lived mainly on fruits, vegetables, and grains, comes mainly from the USDA “food disappearance data.” The “disappearance” of food is an approximation of supply; most of it is probably being eaten, but much is wasted, too. Experts therefore acknowledge that the disappearance numbers are merely rough estimates of consumption."
Then uses food disappearance data to support her points later
"About 175 pounds of meat per person per year—compared to the roughly 100 pounds of meat per year that an average adult American eats today. And of that 100 pounds of meat, about half is poultry—chicken and turkey—whereas until the mid-20th century, chicken was considered a luxury meat, on the menu only for special occasions (chickens were valued mainly for their eggs)."
Correlations are bad, unless they support my POV
"Ironically—or perhaps tellingly—the heart disease “epidemic” began after a period of exceptionally reduced meat eating. In other words, meat eating went down just before coronary disease took off."
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ceoverturf wrote: »
You just posted it on the interwebz...so now it's true.
"People say that Dickens was paid by the word for his writings. He was actually paid by the t-bone."
-jemhh
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That's ok.
I've never listened to Muricans to begin with.0 -
Little known* fact People say that Dickens was paid by the word for his writings. He was actually paid by the t-bone.
* totally made up
Now I need to figure out how to get paid in steak.
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It's not perfect, but still an interested read. Also I have a suspicion that all the fear of red meat is overstated and has more to do with unhealthy eating / lack of exercise and nutritional balance than it does red meat.
Note: I say that with absolutely zero background in nutritional science, or study in anything related to biology-related fields, and having read a total of 0 peer reviewed articles on the topic. The post is mostly for fun / discussion of the article
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But those cows are farting a hole in the ozone.
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SoDamnHungry wrote: »
Now I need to figure out how to get paid in steak.
Write novels, apparently. It worked for Dickens.
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It's not perfect, but still an interested read. Also I have a suspicion that all the fear of red meat is overstated and has more to do with unhealthy eating / lack of exercise and nutritional balance than it does red meat.
Note: I say that with absolutely zero background in nutritional science, or study in anything related to biology-related fields, and having read a total of 0 peer reviewed articles on the topic. The post is mostly for fun / discussion of the article.
I say, let them eat steak!
Or, more ideally, let ME eat steak.
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Ah, Dickens' love affair with American eating habits:In his travel book, American Notes, Dickens describes Mid-Westerners at dinner as "so many fellow animals", who "strip social sacraments of everything but the mere satisfaction of natural cravings".0
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MEET OF COWE GOOOOOOOOOOOD!0
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »
"People say that Dickens was paid by the word for his writings. He was actually paid by the t-bone."
-jemhh
Now it's doubly true.
If it's a quote on a gif...that's 100% rock solid evidence of it's truth.
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Steak and eggs for breakfast...whats not to like...0
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So this is what I have read on the topic.... Anything in moderation is okay, including red meat, but you should opt for higher quality meats from grass-fed sources.0
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Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.0
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Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
There's always gotta be one.0 -
Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD.
So you're saying if I avoid all those things...I'll live...FOREVER??
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Here's the full meal description:At eight o’clock, the shelves being taken down and put away and the tables joined together, everybody sat down to the tea, coffee, bread, butter, salmon, shad, liver, steak, potatoes, pickles, ham, chops, black-puddings, and sausages, all over again. Some were fond of compounding this variety, and having it all on their plates at once. As each gentleman got through his own personal amount of tea, coffee, bread, butter, salmon, shad, liver, steak, potatoes, pickles, ham, chops, black-puddings, and sausages, he rose up and walked off. When everybody had done with everything, the fragments were cleared away: and one of the waiters appearing anew in the character of a barber, shaved such of the company as desired to be shaved; while the remainder looked on, or yawned over their newspapers. Dinner was breakfast again, without the tea and coffee; and supper and breakfast were identical.0
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The sugar... whenever people reduce the fat and meat they substitute it with whole grain and carbs, which is sugar. Then insulin levels start to go crazy, fat starts to accumulate and they get sick and blame it on the fat and meat that they removed in the first place.0
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ceoverturf wrote: »
She doesn't have time to explain such complex issues to us mere mortals.0 -
Lkldcatlady wrote: »Yikes! With all due respect to your opinion, I think you should do some research. Dr. Ornish has over 30 years of scientific evidence that animal products (meat, dairy, eggs) and processed fat and sugar will KILL YOU DEAD. Yes, we should eat like our ancestors - the apes we evolved from. Humans are herbivores and no part of our bodies are made to digest mean or dairy. Paleo and anything similar is pop culture and a fad. You have to look at proven scientific evidence. Read The Spectrum by Ornish or The China Study by Campbell. There is a reason that people in remote places in Japan and Africa (where they subsist on potatoes or rice) live to be over 100 years old. I don't want to be argumentative, I just think it's really important to research all options and go with the one that has the most evidence behind it.
100% of people that drink water will die.0 -
fernandaBush wrote: »The sugar... whenever people reduce the fat and meat they substitute it with whole grain and carbs, which is sugar. Then insulin levels start to go crazy, fat starts to accumulate and they get sick and blame it on the fat and meat that they removed in the first place.
But protein is highly insulinogenic as well...
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