Was really fat. Now less fat. Stuck being less fat. So why?
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What first struck me about your post is your INCREDIBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT. WOW. You should be very proud of yourself - congratulations!
What struck me second is how self-critical/discouraged you are. I am sorry for that. I wish you could step back and bask in the wonderful progress you have made & give yourself a break. Maybe your body would like to hang out at 230 (or so) for awhile and your focus might be to take the best care of you can of your health - the nourishment, strengthening, enjoyment of your new smaller body until you feel rested/ready to move on with further weight loss?
Again, congratulations on how far you have come, have patience and more empathy for yourself, and best wishes on your further progress in improving your health!0 -
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Because it takes up to a year for a metabolism to speed up. Sometimes it can happen faster and that is a worst case scenario. Never ever follow BS like being over a certain weight means you can eat over 2000 calories it is bullcrap. with slight variations a truly inactive person will burn up to 1600 calories per day. Most people aren't quite still enough for that.
Exercise calories shouldn't be incorporated into your diet but definitely should be done. I personally have an extra section on my food log to add them in as to not throw it off. While muscle mass increases with exercise which is heavier that gain is temporary.
But when it comes down to it, it is discipline and as annoying as it is while others can help you that must be done by you. Discipline.
Also don't think you can't, you can. It may be a pain but it can and will be done. Also... Fruit are carbs, but what your eating is less important than how much.
Good luck and we are all here to support you!
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But I'm not close to my goal? I'm 30lbs from it. That's super far from my goal. That's 30 weeks at a pound a week. 60 by your plan. Without stalls or breaks. Which would put it at 2 years or more. So why? Why are my 30lbs going to supposedly take 2 years but someone else just loses them and gets ripped in 6 months? That's the answer I'm looking for. What can I do to make my loss take 6 months like that guys.Ironmaiden4life wrote: »As you get closer to your goal the grind becomes HARD!!! Your loss may slow to 0.5lbs a week or the scale may stay static and measurements may be the only thing changing, some weeks there may be no change at all. You just have to keep grinding that last little bit off and starving to death isn't the way to do it. There are plenty of tools at your disposal to help you, changes to your work outs, utilizing different cardio training variables, diet breaks eating back to your maintenance calories, carb cycling and on it goes.
You rebounded because you went on vacation and did vacation things there's not much mystery there.
Keep grinding it out and you'll get there..... in other words 'suck it up buttercup'
30 pounds IS close to your goal! You're so close!
Also, I looked at your chart and it looks like you're still trending down overall. Just because someone else can do it in x amount of time, doesn't mean you have to. There is no race to lose the weight here, unless I'm missing something. If you want to eat more, you may have to deal with it taking longer. If you're ok with eating less, it may take less time. Personally, I'd rather eat more and it sounds like you are similar to me. 0 -
Ok, here is my opinion because I have experienced the same thing. I started just under 200, lost 50, needed to lose another 10 maybe but instead gained back 30. It is my fault, no voodoo involved. After being so large I felt really good when my weight was down and still felt good as it crept back up. It was different pounds this time. More "fit" pounds. So while I was feeling good and thinking I needed to lose weight, I ate a little more here, a little more there, worked out a little less, etc. So the weight started back - sometimes creeping sometimes several pounds in a week. But...I didn't get serious about it because I knew how to lose it and really - I should be able to eat and have normal activity and keep my weight reasonable. But I don't do it. Got serious again the first of June and you know what - the weight is coming back off. You know what to do and you can do it. 1800 shouldn't be enough calories for you but guess it depends on you and your activity. Good luck.0
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yopeeps025 wrote: »Don't have time to dig them up, but some studies have shown that formerly obese people have to eat less (I think it was ~10% on average?) than never-obese people to stay at the same weight, due to obesity-related changes in metabolism. Can't remember how long those studies lasted, though, might be people recover over time.
I think that might make sense due to the fact its hard to maintain LBM when you lose weight.
Lean mass loss, hormonal responses and suppressed cellular metabolic activity.
Well how long and how long will the 30lbs take. Everyone else gets there goal pretty quickly. It's a little BS to have to wait 2 years for something someone else gets in 6 months.
Not everyone else had to lose 135 pounds to get to the point where they have 30 left to lose.
True. So is there a pill or something to fix it? LOL Can't they just replace cortisol or leptin with some supplement?
No, even if they had a pill it would not help long term.0 -
It's really irritating to give people advice they say they're looking for, only to have them let you know why that advice isn't any good for them and how they are special. It's an activity that can be described in words I wouldn't use here.0
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yopeeps025 wrote: »Is there a reason you track sugar over sodium? Since you talk about your 10 pound increase on vacation. Sodium would show on the scale more than sugar would.
I barely pay attention to either I'd say. Protein first, fat second, carbs third, then fiber is all I really are about. There are no calories in sodium and I don't have a good way to correlate that to my weight anyhow. I gain and lose water almost at random so I don't bother thinking about it beyond what the trendweight says.
High sodium levels= water retention. That is a fact so that correlate to your increase over vacation. I am almost 90% sure of that. You been around the forums too long to not know some of these things.
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BS to have to wait 2 years for something everyone else gets in 6 months? Dude... you were trying to lose 165 lbs. I'm trying to lose 100 and if I do it in a year and a half, then I'm thrilled. You are down to your last 20%. Yes, it's going to slow down insanely.0
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A one week "plateau" is nothing. It could be water weight, it could be your body's natural day-to-day fluctuations in weight, it could be you're eating a little more than you think you are. Give it another week or two.0
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But I'm not close to my goal? I'm 30lbs from it. That's super far from my goal. That's 30 weeks at a pound a week. 60 by your plan. Without stalls or breaks. Which would put it at 2 years or more. So why? Why are my 30lbs going to supposedly take 2 years but someone else just loses them and gets ripped in 6 months? That's the answer I'm looking for. What can I do to make my loss take 6 months like that guys.Ironmaiden4life wrote: »As you get closer to your goal the grind becomes HARD!!! Your loss may slow to 0.5lbs a week or the scale may stay static and measurements may be the only thing changing, some weeks there may be no change at all. You just have to keep grinding that last little bit off and starving to death isn't the way to do it. There are plenty of tools at your disposal to help you, changes to your work outs, utilizing different cardio training variables, diet breaks eating back to your maintenance calories, carb cycling and on it goes.
You rebounded because you went on vacation and did vacation things there's not much mystery there.
Keep grinding it out and you'll get there..... in other words 'suck it up buttercup'
30 pounds IS close to your goal! You're so close! Also, I looked at your chart and it looks like you're still trending down overall. Just because someone else can do it in x amount of time, doesn't mean you have to. There is no race to lose the weight here, unless I'm missing something. If you want to eat more, you may have to deal with it taking longer. If you're ok with eating less, it may take less time. Personally, I'd rather eat more and it sounds like you are similar to me.
The only thing that you are missing is that this poster has a long history of asking for and getting great advice and then ignoring it, only to return and complain that people who are younger/fitter/a different sex, etc. can eat more than him and still lose weight at a faster rate than he can. There is literally nothing that anybody is going to suggest that is going to appease him.0 -
BTW, 165 lbs is a person. My bff is 130 lbs. You lost a person. It's going to get harder.0
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yopeeps025 wrote: »Don't have time to dig them up, but some studies have shown that formerly obese people have to eat less (I think it was ~10% on average?) than never-obese people to stay at the same weight, due to obesity-related changes in metabolism. Can't remember how long those studies lasted, though, might be people recover over time.
I think that might make sense due to the fact its hard to maintain LBM when you lose weight.
Lean mass loss, hormonal responses and suppressed cellular metabolic activity.
Well how long and how long will the 30lbs take. Everyone else gets there goal pretty quickly. It's a little BS to have to wait 2 years for something someone else gets in 6 months.
This attitude isn't going to help you, dude. It feels like it's not fair, ok. It's hard to accept obstacles, I get it, I struggle with this in other ways. (I'm annoyed that I have a bunch of tendon problems and osteoarthritis that set in at age 34, when it sometimes seems like everyone else can sprint and do whatever with no problems.) But you have to, to deal with them and move forward. And seriously, some people have it a lot worse than you do (and worse than I do). Try to keep a sense of perspective.
It's good that you're going to the doctor.0 -
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Lost to 230 not even counting calories accurately (estimates). Went off my low carb plan. Gained to 250. Counted calories down to 230. Stuck again. Cut calories down to a bonkers starving 1800. Lost some. Then boom, back up over one week.
I'm approaching this as someone fairly new who doesn't know your history and has no bias. One big problem leaps out at me here -- one I see over and over on these "why am I not losing" threads.
You're not changing your life: you're dieting. Stop Dieting.
You try something for a while and it works. Then you stop and the weight comes back. Well derp, of course it does. Albert Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So stop with the unsustainable gimmicks, like starvation calories, no-carb, all-jello-all-the-time, or whatever the fad diet du jour is. Log accurately, eat sensibly and don't stop. This is it, this is your life. Not your diet.
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Weakness my friend. You really need to get into a serious lifting routine and build up some more lean body mass, with a better engine you will quickly make waste to any extra fat. I looked at your food diary and it doesn't look that great you might also want to think about a better diet.0
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Best advice is to go back to the beginning....look at all the first step threads on here and make sure you are adhering to the advice in those threads. Congrats on your success and dont give up!0
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Lost to 230 not even counting calories accurately (estimates). Went off my low carb plan. Gained to 250. Counted calories down to 230. Stuck again. Cut calories down to a bonkers starving 1800. Lost some. Then boom, back up over one week.
I'm approaching this as someone fairly new who doesn't know your history and has no bias. One big problem leaps out at me here -- one I see over and over on these "why am I not losing" threads.
You're not changing your life: you're dieting. Stop Dieting.
You try something for a while and it works. Then you stop and the weight comes back. Well derp, of course it does. Albert Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So stop with the unsustainable gimmicks, like starvation calories, no-carb, all-jello-all-the-time, or whatever the fad diet du jour is. Log accurately, eat sensibly and don't stop. This is it, this is your life. Not your diet.
I get the thinking but for me life starts at 200 when I'm not obese by definition anymore. Even then it will still probably all be some endless "program" or cycle of changing things up in one way or another.
You're alive right now.0 -
You are getting large weight gain spikes every weekend. You sure you are logging accurately on the weekends?0
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Lost to 230 not even counting calories accurately (estimates). Went off my low carb plan. Gained to 250. Counted calories down to 230. Stuck again. Cut calories down to a bonkers starving 1800. Lost some. Then boom, back up over one week.
I'm approaching this as someone fairly new who doesn't know your history and has no bias. One big problem leaps out at me here -- one I see over and over on these "why am I not losing" threads.
You're not changing your life: you're dieting. Stop Dieting.
You try something for a while and it works. Then you stop and the weight comes back. Well derp, of course it does. Albert Einstein defined insanity as "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." So stop with the unsustainable gimmicks, like starvation calories, no-carb, all-jello-all-the-time, or whatever the fad diet du jour is. Log accurately, eat sensibly and don't stop. This is it, this is your life. Not your diet.
I get the thinking but for me life starts at 200 when I'm not obese by definition anymore. Even then it will still probably all be some endless "program" or cycle of changing things up in one way or another.
Life starts when you reach a random number on a box. That's sad.0 -
megantischner wrote: »A one week "plateau" is nothing. It could be water weight, it could be your body's natural day-to-day fluctuations in weight, it could be you're eating a little more than you think you are. Give it another week or two.
I've been 230 since last December. I went from 250 to 230 eating 2300 calories LOL. That's the silly thing. It just stopped working.
your cut level at 230 pounds is not going to be the same as it was at 250 pounds.
I would say consistently eat 2000 accuratecalories a day for a month.
OR
do the diet break that I have suggested five thousand times.0 -
But I'm not close to my goal? I'm 30lbs from it. That's super far from my goal. That's 30 weeks at a pound a week. 60 by your plan. Without stalls or breaks. Which would put it at 2 years or more. So why? Why are my 30lbs going to supposedly take 2 years but someone else just loses them and gets ripped in 6 months? That's the answer I'm looking for. What can I do to make my loss take 6 months like that guys.Ironmaiden4life wrote: »As you get closer to your goal the grind becomes HARD!!! Your loss may slow to 0.5lbs a week or the scale may stay static and measurements may be the only thing changing, some weeks there may be no change at all. You just have to keep grinding that last little bit off and starving to death isn't the way to do it. There are plenty of tools at your disposal to help you, changes to your work outs, utilizing different cardio training variables, diet breaks eating back to your maintenance calories, carb cycling and on it goes.
You rebounded because you went on vacation and did vacation things there's not much mystery there.
Keep grinding it out and you'll get there..... in other words 'suck it up buttercup'
If you continue to eat at 2300 calories a day, that's going to take a long time to get to your goal weight. Without exercise, 2300 calories is about maintenance for a 205 pound person. The reason I know that is because my non-exercise calorie goal is 1600 and I'm looking at 2300 when I switch to maintenance. I don't normally eat 2300 calories even on days when I exercise. If you want to lose weight, cut your calorie intake. Or if you like, you can just keep posting things here about why it is so terrible that you aren't losing weight while eating at maintenance.0 -
Since I think all the obvious, probable answers have been given, I'll offer a couple of exotic suggestions that might or might not help.
First, you could try getting tested for food allergies and sensitivities. The inflammation response from eating something you have a mild intolerance to can keep you full of water weight that's very difficult to shed. It's probably not this, but if you've tried everything else, may be worth a check.
Secondly, you could try a very different WOE and/or very different exercise plan. Scientifically, CICO is all created equal, but some people have had luck breaking a stubborn plateau by really shaking things up. I'm not convinced that this is anything more than a placebo effect, but there's no harm in trying as long as you stay under your calorie goal, right?
Sorry I can't do more to help, I'm not close to my goal either, nor an expert in these things.0 -
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Let's put it this way...if you stop now out of frustration in a year from now you will have gained 50+ pounds. You seem to think this is a sort term diet. We'll if you haven't gotten the memo there's no going back to the way you use to live and eat. Your definition of what "normal people eat" is probably what got you into this mess in the first place. You're worried about it taking two years...LOL. Dude this if for the rest of your life. Get use to smaller portions or you are going to be a yoyo dieter. You're attitude is what will keep you from your goal and will also be the reason you gain the weight back.0
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Well how long and how long will the 30lbs take. Everyone else gets there goal pretty quickly. It's a little BS to have to wait 2 years for something someone else gets in 6 months.
You do realize everyone loses at different rates. I've been at this for just over a year and a half, and have only lost 15 pounds since July of last year. Part of that is because I have chosen to take a break here or there, and part of it was because I wasn't being honest about what/how much I was eating. Prior to that 15 pounds, I had already lost 75 pounds between Halloween 2013 and July 2014. I still have 20 pounds to go. And who knows, maybe I will decide to lose a little bit more once I finally get there. It might take me 6 months, or it might take me another year. That doesn't really matter to me, as long as I am seeing progress in the right direction.
You need to stop worrying about how quickly everyone else is losing, and focus on yourself. Your circumstances are unique, so you will never be able to do things "just like" someone else or have identical results. If you are 100% sure you are doing everything you should, then, like previously mentioned, you need to meet with your doctor. If not, you need to be honest with yourself and just admit you aren't doing things quite as accurately as you know you should. In the end, it doesn't matter to any of us if you are being honest about everything - you're only cheating yourself.0 -
Don't have time to dig them up, but some studies have shown that formerly obese people have to eat less (I think it was ~10% on average?) than never-obese people to stay at the same weight, due to obesity-related changes in metabolism. Can't remember how long those studies lasted, though, might be people recover over time.
I was just reading about that! And it depressed me thoroughly. Here's the link I just read about it:
http://www.science20.com/deconstructing_obesity/blog/metabolic_adaptations_to_weight_loss-156281#ixzz3du4WjNUJ
For what it's worth, I don't blame you for feeling this way. Lots of people believe that the science of weight loss is a settled matter, but I think that is hardly the case. Even everyone's favorite four-letter word - CICO! - doesn't align with the latest reports on how bacteria in our guts influence every process in our bodies, let alone the fact that some foods are more bioavailable than others (see the researchers who were able to lower the calories of rice by adding cococut oil and refrigerating overnight, or the re-estimation of the true, bio-available calorie content of almonds). So I'm with you - I think there are some mysteries in this process, much like epileptics probably didn't believe that getting their blood sucked by leeches in the middle ages was really all that helpful. That was the CICO of its day.
Central to your questions is the fact that your "body" is not one thing. It's a mega-metropolis of bacteria, hungry mitochondria, hormones and diabolical, unkillable, hormone-spewing fat cells. You want the mega-metropolis to weigh a certain amount and have a certain waist size and inseam, but unfortunatley, the denizens of your body disagree. There is no relationship between our highly socialized aspirational goals for ourselves and the ground truth inside our bodies.
My suggestion is to be your own scientist, and conduct your own experiments. Change your calorie intake, increase and change your weight training or cardio, cut certain foods that seem like they're sticking to you more than others, etc. Do each thing for two weeks (I do this to myself and I think two weeks has been the magic number - one isn't enough to trick your body into thinking this is how it's going to be from now on) and keep what works and ditch what doesn't. All my best successes came from doing that - never from reading studies or following conventional wisdom on weight loss.0 -
ok so in may when you gained that 8lbs over the course of 2 weeks.. what did you do differently? I find it hard to believe you ate an extra 28,000 calories.
I find pretty much every one of my plateus is actually water weight fluctuations. Back in march I went a full month with only losing a lb.. Then I lost 7lbs within 3 days. No clue why it happens, but it happens sometimes.
Just make sure you are being honest with your logging. Do you go get an apple or some other fruit or veg before bed thinking "I am not going to log it... it is healthy anyways and low cal" Well dont think that.
I started 350lbs last september and 260lbs today.
I eat 1800-2000 cal per day. I eat out twice a week (so no clue how accurate I am on those days). I jog three times a week (I sometimes eat back some calories, but usually only 100-200).
Just log accurately, keep eating the 1800 calories, but try adding in cardio if you havent yet.0 -
Go on the show Naked and Afraid. I'll bet you lose weight.0
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