Fed up of dieting...want to start enjoying
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galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
No, but she's younger, so she naturally burns more calories, so by eating 900 calories net her deficit is pretty huge. The lower your weight, the higher your deficit, the more likely you are to burn muscle... I thought it was common knowledge. I guess not. But sure, she can lose weight that way, and she can maintain the loss just fine. She's just likely to lose a bunch of muscle mass as well, especially eating so little protein.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day (usually netting below 1200 actually)
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.-1 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.0 -
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
So basically, 3 small meat balls. I don't have trouble believing the calorie count then.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day (usually netting below 1200 actually)
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
How is any of this any of your business?
She is an adult...if she wants your advice she can ask for it.
I don't always agree with other peoples dietary approach. However...unless they ask...it is none of my business. Katey didn't ask anyone to review her diet. This thread is not about how much she eats...what she eats...when she eats nor is it about if she uses a fork or her fingers.
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Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
So basically, 3 small meat balls. I don't have trouble believing the calorie count then.
Small meatballs, no. These meatloafs are the size of a normal cupcake. we've already had this discussion.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
When you lose weight you're almost always going to burn muscle as well as fat. I never said anything about that. It has nothing to do with how old I am or how fast I'm losing weight.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
When you lose weight you're almost always going to burn muscle as well as fat. I never said anything about that. It has nothing to do with how old I am or how fast I'm losing weight.
Yup, but you can reduce that by eating more protein, eating more calories, and losing weight at a slower rate. Like I've been telling you this whole time.-1 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
When you lose weight you're almost always going to burn muscle as well as fat. I never said anything about that. It has nothing to do with how old I am or how fast I'm losing weight.
Yup, but you can reduce that by eating more protein, eating more calories, and losing weight at a slower rate. Like I've been telling you this whole time.
The dominant factor in fat:muscle ratios during weight loss is genetics.
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Back to the OP...again...
I hope that you have had second thoughts about quitting. I am older than you are by a few years. While there are challenges for older people we are very much as capable of losing weight as someone younger. Where we might struggle is in the fitness area. Our joints sometimes just won't cooperate.
Even that though can be overcome. There are many low-impact routines online that are designed for older people just starting on a fitness routine. There is also walking that is perfect for us. We can go as fast and as far as we are capable of.
Sad that you haven't come back and explained yourself further...maybe (in between the battle) someone could have given you some good advice.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
When you lose weight you're almost always going to burn muscle as well as fat. I never said anything about that. It has nothing to do with how old I am or how fast I'm losing weight.
Yup, but you can reduce that by eating more protein, eating more calories, and losing weight at a slower rate. Like I've been telling you this whole time.
...or you drop the weight, then up your intake and start bulking. Might as well get the weight loss part over with ASAP. We all know it's not the fun part.
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Faithful_Chosen wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
When you lose weight you're almost always going to burn muscle as well as fat. I never said anything about that. It has nothing to do with how old I am or how fast I'm losing weight.
Yup, but you can reduce that by eating more protein, eating more calories, and losing weight at a slower rate. Like I've been telling you this whole time.
...or you drop the weight, then up your intake and start bulking. Might as well get the weight loss part over with ASAP. We all know it's not the fun part.
Except it's probably easier to minimize muscle loss in the first place than to try and build muscle later, at least if you're female. Plus I'd guess that someone who is in such a rush to lose weight isn't keen on the idea of bulking and having to lose more fat afterwards either.
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I cannot believe the attitudes of some people on this website. We are all trying to lead a better, healthier and happier life so why not support one another rather than criticise. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for friendly suggestions/tips etc. between one another in a supportive manner but not in the form of immaturity with a 'you're wrong I'm right' attitude. It's just not necessary at all.0
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Faithful_Chosen wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
When you lose weight you're almost always going to burn muscle as well as fat. I never said anything about that. It has nothing to do with how old I am or how fast I'm losing weight.
Yup, but you can reduce that by eating more protein, eating more calories, and losing weight at a slower rate. Like I've been telling you this whole time.
...or you drop the weight, then up your intake and start bulking. Might as well get the weight loss part over with ASAP. We all know it's not the fun part.
Who says she wants to bulk? Assumptions, assumptions.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
Isn't the whole reason many people are on MFP is because they don't know what correct portion sizes are? Also, yeah, maybe they're a little lower than a general serving... but when you're trying to lose weight you have to have smaller servings to enjoy some of those foods.
She did NOT except that she was wrong. And she's not right. She has continued to insist that my diet is bad. Yes, 50 grams is an absolute low, but just because I had 50 grams one day doesn't mean I only get that much every day. My goal is set at 60 grams because that is a reasonable amount, unless I eat nothing but eggs and meat there's really no way that I'm going to get much more than that while still staying under 1200 calories a day.
People are on MFP because they are looking to lose, gain, or maintain their weight by CICO.
I know what correct portion sizes are. I weigh every single thing I consume and have been doing so for 2+ years.
The only person who keeps calling your diet bad is you. I never called your diet bad- not once. My only problem with your diet is that 1200 calories is much too low. As another user pointed out, the amount of food you consume is very little and would not be satisfying for many people. Considering you only have 17 more pounds to lose, your deficit is much too large for the weight you have left to lose. Chances are you could eat 1500 calories and still lose weight.
You think I'm being rude- but I'm really just being blunt and upfront with you about your calorie intake.
1200 calories is not "much too low". I gave MFP my information and that's what it gave me... I didn't change it at all. You're right, I could probably lose weight at 1500... but 1200 does it faster. I lose about 1.5 lbs a week. You can't say it's much too low just based on the information you have. You have no idea how tall I am or what my weight is or what my activity level is.
Unless you are a doctor I don't think you can make claims that go against professional software. There's a lot of people on 1200.
1200 calories is in fact too low for you. Many people here will back me up on this.
A weight loss of 1.5 lbs a week is too aggressive for the weight you have to lose (17 lbs according to your profile). Many people will back me up on this, too.
MFP sets EVERY user here calorie goal at 1200- until YOU change it to fit YOUR needs. You act like MFP is a software that magically knows the calories and macros you need for your body- it isn't. You need to enter that yourself.
BTW, weight loss isn't a race. Fast weight loss isn't necessarily good. Slow & steady wins the race.
It's not "too aggressive". No matter how much weight you have to lose, from my research, as long as you're not consistently losing more than 2 lbs a week there's nothing wrong with it.
There is no time limit for how fast or slow you have to lose weight to be successful.
Research and people who have been successful here have determined otherwise I know you're young and think you have the answers to everything, but try listening to people who have been there and done that. You might actually learn something.
Has research determined that those who lose faster have a lower success rate? I'd be interested in seeing it.
No, it has not. I lose very slowly, so I'd love it to be true, lol, but it's not.0 -
Faithful_Chosen wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
When you lose weight you're almost always going to burn muscle as well as fat. I never said anything about that. It has nothing to do with how old I am or how fast I'm losing weight.
Yup, but you can reduce that by eating more protein, eating more calories, and losing weight at a slower rate. Like I've been telling you this whole time.
...or you drop the weight, then up your intake and start bulking. Might as well get the weight loss part over with ASAP. We all know it's not the fun part.
Except it's probably easier to minimize muscle loss in the first place than to try and build muscle later, at least if you're female. Plus I'd guess that someone who is in such a rush to lose weight isn't keen on the idea of bulking and having to lose more fat afterwards either.
But what do I know.
Amen. At least someone gets it!0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.
Buddy, you are missing the fact that @kateyb94 can eat more calories, still lose weight, and hold onto as much muscle mass as possible by increasing cals and protein intake.
You think it is perfectly healthy to consistently net 900 calories (speaking about another user, BTW). I sincerely hope no one listens to you. Please hold back on giving advice, as you may put someones health in danger by doing so. Also advocating for VLCD's is against the rules of the forums.0 -
OP, where did you go? Do you have all of the information you need now to be successful?
Let me know.0 -
ninerbuff is right; what everyone seems to be missing is the put a start and end date to a "diet." What it needs to be is a lifestyle with no end date. Need to make changes you can live with, w/o denying yourself ("I can't have____ [fill in the blank] because I'm on a "diet.' You need to eat enough to maintain your muscle mass and stay healthy (under 1000 cals a day doesn't cut it). I'm 60+ and eat around 1400 cals a day; lift weights (25 & 30 lbs on some body parts) three days a week and am maintaining my weight. Only wanted to lose abt 6 or 7 lbs; upped the calories, cut back on the sugar and lost 10. P.S. I at half a Chocolate Stamped from Longhorn Steakhouse and still lost weight.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.
Buddy, you are missing the fact that @kateyb94 can eat more calories, still lose weight, and hold onto as much muscle mass as possible by increasing cals and protein intake.
You think it is perfectly healthy to consistently net 900 calories (speaking about another user, BTW). I sincerely hope no one listens to you. Please hold back on giving advice, as you may put someones health in danger by doing so. Also advocating for VLCD's is against the rules of the forums.
No one advocated VLCD. With the proper training and nutrition one can lose at a rate of 1.5 pounds per week while holding onto their muscle mass.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.
Buddy, you are missing the fact that @kateyb94 can eat more calories, still lose weight, and hold onto as much muscle mass as possible by increasing cals and protein intake.
You think it is perfectly healthy to consistently net 900 calories (speaking about another user, BTW). I sincerely hope no one listens to you. Please hold back on giving advice, as you may put someones health in danger by doing so. Also advocating for VLCD's is against the rules of the forums.
No one advocated VLCD. With the proper training and nutrition one can lose at a rate of 1.5 pounds per week while holding onto their muscle mass.
Pretty doubtful for someone who really doesn't have that much fat to lose in the first place.0 -
Here is one article I have found about rapid weight loss...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20443094
CONCLUSION:
Collectively, findings indicate both short- and long-term advantages to fast initial weight loss. Fast weight losers obtained greater weight reduction and long-term maintenance, and were not more susceptible to weight regain than gradual weight losers.
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I am not an advocate of "extreme" fast weight loss.
For myself I still have have 37lbs to go before I am in the high range of what is normal for someone with my stats. I am still trying for 2lbs a week and will continue to do so for another 20lbs. I am set for 1400 calories. I usually meet my macro/micro amounts before I hit the 1200 mark. If I am still hungry...I eat something else...if I am not...I don't. No...I don't eat back exercise calories. I use those mainly to reach my activity level.
This works for me. I am sure that someone could find fault with it but...oh well.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.
Buddy, you are missing the fact that @kateyb94 can eat more calories, still lose weight, and hold onto as much muscle mass as possible by increasing cals and protein intake.
You think it is perfectly healthy to consistently net 900 calories (speaking about another user, BTW). I sincerely hope no one listens to you. Please hold back on giving advice, as you may put someones health in danger by doing so. Also advocating for VLCD's is against the rules of the forums.
No one advocated VLCD. With the proper training and nutrition one can lose at a rate of 1.5 pounds per week while holding onto their muscle mass.
Uh, you kind of did when you said it's okay for a person to eat 1400 calories and burn off 500- leaving them with a net of 900 calories.
A person who eats 40-60 grams of protein a day is not holding on to much muscle mass while losing 1.5 lbs a week, considering that they only have 17 pounds to lose.
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Yer doin' it wrong.0
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_incogNEATo_ wrote: »OP, where did you go? Do you have all of the information you need now to be successful?
Let me know.
If she happened to look in...she probably ran. Who could blame her?
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.
Buddy, you are missing the fact that @kateyb94 can eat more calories, still lose weight, and hold onto as much muscle mass as possible by increasing cals and protein intake.
You think it is perfectly healthy to consistently net 900 calories (speaking about another user, BTW). I sincerely hope no one listens to you. Please hold back on giving advice, as you may put someones health in danger by doing so. Also advocating for VLCD's is against the rules of the forums.
No one advocated VLCD. With the proper training and nutrition one can lose at a rate of 1.5 pounds per week while holding onto their muscle mass.
Uh, you kind of did when you said it's okay for a person to eat 1400 calories and burn off 500- leaving them with a net of 900 calories.
A person who eats 40-60 grams of protein a day is not holding on to much muscle mass while losing 1.5 lbs a week, considering that they only have 17 pounds to lose.
You just don't get it.
A VLCD is by definition the consumption of very low calories. Has nothing to do with net calories. You just don't get it.
I agree with your second point. That wouldn't be adequate protein for that rate of loss. Like I said proper training and nutrition would be required.0 -
900 is Low Calorie. 800 and under is Very Low Calorie.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.
Buddy, you are missing the fact that @kateyb94 can eat more calories, still lose weight, and hold onto as much muscle mass as possible by increasing cals and protein intake.
You think it is perfectly healthy to consistently net 900 calories (speaking about another user, BTW). I sincerely hope no one listens to you. Please hold back on giving advice, as you may put someones health in danger by doing so. Also advocating for VLCD's is against the rules of the forums.
No one advocated VLCD. With the proper training and nutrition one can lose at a rate of 1.5 pounds per week while holding onto their muscle mass.
Uh, you kind of did when you said it's okay for a person to eat 1400 calories and burn off 500- leaving them with a net of 900 calories.
A person who eats 40-60 grams of protein a day is not holding on to much muscle mass while losing 1.5 lbs a week, considering that they only have 17 pounds to lose.
You just don't get it.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Faithful_Chosen wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!
Your diary shows you consistently net under 1000 calories, but keep telling yourself that.
Why do you keep attacking people?
Pointing out the fact that her diary shows she nets under 1000 calories is definitely not attacking.
What's wrong with netting under 1000 calories if she's losing at a reasonable rate? The exercise calories and calorie intake calculations are estimates only, what matters is the results.
Eating under 1200 calories is unhealthy and dangerous unless under constant medical supervision. Chances are she is not and is netting under 1000 calories for fast results- as she already stated.
What matters is losing weight in a healthy manner- a manner that is sustainable and ensures adequate nutrition.
There's a big difference between netting under 1200 and eating under 1200. I see no problem with netting under 1200 with exercise for people losing at a healthy rate.
No, there isn't because essentially they still consumed under 1200 calories due to burning off x amount of calories from exercise.
If I ate 1400 calories and burned off 500 from exercise, I still consumed 1400 calories. I just created a larger deficit. Again, there's nothing wrong with that if they're losing at a reasonable rate.
You consumed 1400 calories but burned 500 of them- meaning you have a net caloric intake of 900 calories. Constantly netting 900 calories is not sustainable- whether you agree with it or not. Don't try to justify netting 900 calories because no one who has a basic understanding of nutrition will agree with you.
I think the majority of people on here have a basic understanding of nutrition, but you're the only one making these claims. Suspicious.
No actually, she's right... Especially at your age, you're probably burning muscle as much as fat eating so little.
But I'm also jealous that you can feel 'full' on so few calories. I totally get what OP is coming from, honestly. Even at maintenance, I still feel like I'm 'dieting'. Eating everything in moderation and not depriving yourself is nice and all, but half the time, if I do that, I'm starving and I get hangry. And that's with 2200 calories a day (ok, I'm back to cutting now - or at least trying to - after going in vacations and probably gaining a couple pounds). Crepes for breakfast/lunch? With no protein? I'd be starving within an hour (and my crepes are about 110-120 calories, so yeah, it seems about right).
Bottom line is that for some people, losing weight and maintaining a weight loss is much harder than just calories in, calories out. And it has nothing to do with 'doing it wrong'. It's a constant struggle to choose between eating something that will satisfy my sense of taste or something that will satisfy my stomach, basically. Because I'll never like veggies as much as I like sweets.
You're basing this claim off of her age? That's nonsense, you don't have enough information to say that with certainty.
We don't need any more information. We know all we need to.- She is a 20 year old female
- She wants to lose weight as fast as possible
- She is aiming to lose 1.5 pounds a week
- She has 17 pounds left to lose
- She is eating 1200 calories a day
- She is losing weight at an aggressive rate
End of discussion.
1.5 pounds is aggressive, but reasonable. Age has nothing to do with it if her rate of loss is constant.
Eh, many people here would disagree.
Our point is that she is young and naturally burns more calories. She has a small amount of weight to lose so she could afford to eat more calories. When you lose weight at the rate she is and eat as little as 40-60 grams of protein a day, you are losing a good deal of muscle mass. The goal of weight loss is to keep as much muscle mass as possible.
She can choose to take our advice or not. She will learn one way or another.
If she's losing at a constant rate, then your point is meaningless.
Buddy, you are missing the fact that @kateyb94 can eat more calories, still lose weight, and hold onto as much muscle mass as possible by increasing cals and protein intake.
You think it is perfectly healthy to consistently net 900 calories (speaking about another user, BTW). I sincerely hope no one listens to you. Please hold back on giving advice, as you may put someones health in danger by doing so. Also advocating for VLCD's is against the rules of the forums.
No one advocated VLCD. With the proper training and nutrition one can lose at a rate of 1.5 pounds per week while holding onto their muscle mass.
Uh, you kind of did when you said it's okay for a person to eat 1400 calories and burn off 500- leaving them with a net of 900 calories.
Acknowledging something is ok is not the same as advocating.You're not understanding...
Oh, the irony...
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