Fed up of dieting...want to start enjoying
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
Isn't the whole reason many people are on MFP is because they don't know what correct portion sizes are? Also, yeah, maybe they're a little lower than a general serving... but when you're trying to lose weight you have to have smaller servings to enjoy some of those foods.
She did NOT except that she was wrong. And she's not right. She has continued to insist that my diet is bad. Yes, 50 grams is an absolute low, but just because I had 50 grams one day doesn't mean I only get that much every day. My goal is set at 60 grams because that is a reasonable amount, unless I eat nothing but eggs and meat there's really no way that I'm going to get much more than that while still staying under 1200 calories a day.
People are on MFP because they are looking to lose, gain, or maintain their weight by CICO.
I know what correct portion sizes are. I weigh every single thing I consume and have been doing so for 2+ years.
The only person who keeps calling your diet bad is you. I never called your diet bad- not once. My only problem with your diet is that 1200 calories is much too low. As another user pointed out, the amount of food you consume is very little and would not be satisfying for many people. Considering you only have 17 more pounds to lose, your deficit is much too large for the weight you have left to lose. Chances are you could eat 1500 calories and still lose weight.
You think I'm being rude- but I'm really just being blunt and upfront with you about your calorie intake.
1200 calories is not "much too low". I gave MFP my information and that's what it gave me... I didn't change it at all. You're right, I could probably lose weight at 1500... but 1200 does it faster. I lose about 1.5 lbs a week. You can't say it's much too low just based on the information you have. You have no idea how tall I am or what my weight is or what my activity level is.
Unless you are a doctor I don't think you can make claims that go against professional software. There's a lot of people on 1200.
1200 calories is in fact too low for you. Many people here will back me up on this.
A weight loss of 1.5 lbs a week is too aggressive for the weight you have to lose (17 lbs according to your profile). Many people will back me up on this, too.
MFP sets EVERY user here calorie goal at 1200- until YOU change it to fit YOUR needs. You act like MFP is a software that magically knows the calories and macros you need for your body- it isn't. You need to enter that yourself.
BTW, weight loss isn't a race. Fast weight loss isn't necessarily good. Slow & steady wins the race.
It's not "too aggressive". No matter how much weight you have to lose, from my research, as long as you're not consistently losing more than 2 lbs a week there's nothing wrong with it.
There is no time limit for how fast or slow you have to lose weight to be successful.
Research and people who have been successful here have determined otherwise I know you're young and think you have the answers to everything, but try listening to people who have been there and done that. You might actually learn something.
Sweetie, you don't have your profile public so I don't know how old you are, but from your picture you can't be that much older than me. I've talked to MANY people on here who have confirmed that I am doing what I need to. What I'm doing is working for me. I feel really good, I'm always as full as I need to be, I'm getting the results I'm looking for. It's my body, not yours.
Frankly, I don't care how many people you've talked to who have confirmed eating 1200 calories is safe for you. Obviously those people have no clue what they are talking about and are NOT the people you want to get nutrition advice from. Talk to people who have been successful with weight loss and have kept the weight off, all by eating WAY more than 1200 calories.
Don't be disappointed when you gain all of the weight back plus some due to your desire to lose the weight as fast as possible.
What medical or nutritional degree do you have? 1200 is the RDA minimum for women and is not the default for MFP, but rather the minimum number of safe calories that science shows is acceptable for some women. If you don't agree with MFPs standards, why are you on the website?
I lost 21 lbs at 1200 calories and safely met all my macros and nutrients and am in maintenance with no difficulty.
True this. Also, most of my days are over 1200 anyway, but with exercise I still keep my net under 1200
*Sigh* It's not even worth it
What? It's not worth it to tell someone you don't know and have never seen that they are unhealthy and going to be unsuccessful?
Below are some threads you should take a look at. Maybe then you'll realize that netting under 1200 is not healthy and attempting to lose 1.5 lbs a week when you only have 17 lbs to lose is much too aggressive.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/819055/setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1318741/in-5-weeks-youll-lose-10lbs-why-is-it-not-working/p1
I'll leave this here as well:
Pound per week goals
75+ lbs set to lose 2 lb range
Between 40 - 75 lbs set to lose 1.5 lb range
Between 25-40 lbs set to lose 1 lb range
Between 15-25 lbs set to lose 1 -.50 lb range
Less than 15 lbs set to lose 0.5 lbs range
As you see, you fall into the 0.50 to 1 lb loss per week range
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your concern. But you can understand my frustration when I have done a significant amount of research about my weight loss and talked to many people about it and you're the first person that has told me that I will be unsuccessful.0 -
Anything that you do in a loaf pan you can do in a muffin pan. The great thing...it is already in serving size and as long as you weigh it when you fill it there is no need to weigh it before eating.
I have done eggs...mini casseroles...meatloaf...just about everything.
There are several sites on the web about muffin tin cooking. You will be amazed at what some cook as muffins.
Wonderful! Thanks for the tip.0 -
BrianaDuBois wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
I'm going to second this. Those crepes sound so good. I would love to make them!
Also @kateyb94 , my logging looks the way I'm sure yours looks as well. My lunch might say "chicken parm - 1 serving", but in reality, I know each "serving" was 3 oz of chicken, 2 Tbsp marinara sauce and 1 oz cheese.
I understand what you are explaining, but would like to point out that it is not a good way to enter food into the MFP data base, because many of us use it and especially newcomers rely heavily on it. They have no idea that your " serving " is actually three servings of 3 oz each. It really messes things up.
So what is the best way, in your opinion, to log in recipes? Should @kateyb94 every time log each individual bit of food in her meatloaf? .10 grams of carrot, etc.? Just don't read her log! Just don't!0 -
Nerdycurls wrote: »One of the concerns my husband has is whether or not this is sustainable. It's not that I deprive myself; I certainly do enjoy a little bit of cake once in a while. I keep the portions small, count it toward my calories for the day, and make sure I am steady the rest of the day. But his concern is after a point I should be able to "eyeball" food and know how much I need to eat. To him, watching me weigh my food and log every now is a pain in the *kitten* and will eventually make me frustrated.
I understand that response. I also assumed it would be a pain in the rear. I think that is honestly why it took me several years to actually commit to counting and weighing. Weighing seemed rather obsessive (I don't know many other people who weigh their food, unless they are baking). I also hated the idea of having to count calories for the rest of my life. Could I really commit to that? Ultimately, however, I hate being overweight a heck of lot more than I hate the idea of counting calories and weighing my food. And once I actually started doing it, I found it to be far simpler (and less restrictive) than I anticipated.
I won't lie. There are times when I wish I didn't have to count or weigh, that I could just eyeball servings, or indulge in comfort eating (I come from a long line of emotional/comfort eaters). Giving up the (bad) habits of thirty years is hard at times. Still, it is not as hard as I anticipated it would be.
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I only have to cook them for 20 minutes instead of an hour which is awesome!
I intend to use that recipe. It sounds scrumptious.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
The serving for the crepes is small, IMO, because you are eating it in place of two meals...breakfast and lunch. And then nothing whatsoever to eat until dinner. Great that it works for you; but I would hazard a guess that you are more the exception than the rule. I need breakfast, lunch, and usually a small mid-afternoon snack or I get hangry.
P.S. I'm gonna try your meatloaf recipe. Do you bake it in a meatloaf pan?0 -
AuroraGeorge8393 wrote: »
I only have to cook them for 20 minutes instead of an hour which is awesome!
I intend to use that recipe. It sounds scrumptious.
Just to warn you, it looks like a LOT of onion when you make it, but I promise it's not overly oniony.0 -
AuroraGeorge8393 wrote: »
I only have to cook them for 20 minutes instead of an hour which is awesome!
I intend to use that recipe. It sounds scrumptious.
Just to warn you, it looks like a LOT of onion when you make it, but I promise it's not overly oniony.
Thanks for the warning, but I love onions. Onion-y recipes are not a problem in this household. 0 -
And you could've easily said something in a PM rather than derail this thread. kateyb94's diet and logging isn't part of it. She mentioned what she ate with the implication that others can eat delicious foods without depriving themselves.FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »I like how this thread turned into a critique of @kateyb94 's diet and logging. As a few people have said, "Never change, MFP. Never change."
When someone is eating too few calories and losing weight at a very aggressive rate (based on the amount of weight they have to lose), people are going to say something.
It doesn't matter what anyone posts on here, if they're diary is open to the public people will check and then start saying things. I don't know kateyb94 or you other than what's posted on MFP. I don't care what or how much you eat because I feel people need to find out what works for them.
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
The serving for the crepes is small, IMO, because you are eating it in place of two meals...breakfast and lunch. And then nothing whatsoever to eat until dinner. Great that it works for you; but I would hazard a guess that you are more the exception than the rule. I need breakfast, lunch, and usually a small mid-afternoon snack or I get hangry.
P.S. I'm gonna try your meatloaf recipe. Do you bake it in a meatloaf pan?
I usually wouldn't do brunch, but I didn't have to work today so I slept in and didn't eat until around 10:30 and I ate dinner around 3:30 and ate desserts and such later. If you look at my diaries from other days I definitely eat much more than that usually.
I bake the meatloaf in silicone cupcake holders... although you could also do them in muffin tins (350 for 20 minutes), you could also do them in a loaf pan or any other kind you want to do, but I can't tell you how long to do them for (usually around an hour)0 -
AuroraGeorge8393 wrote: »AuroraGeorge8393 wrote: »
I only have to cook them for 20 minutes instead of an hour which is awesome!
I intend to use that recipe. It sounds scrumptious.
Just to warn you, it looks like a LOT of onion when you make it, but I promise it's not overly oniony.
Thanks for the warning, but I love onions. Onion-y recipes are not a problem in this household.
me too! But even though I love onions when I was mixing things I was a little worried... eating them dispelled that, though 0 -
This thread is why my food diary is all measured in angstroms^3 for volume and electron-volts for mass. No one tells me I'm wrong about any of it.0
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FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
Isn't the whole reason many people are on MFP is because they don't know what correct portion sizes are? Also, yeah, maybe they're a little lower than a general serving... but when you're trying to lose weight you have to have smaller servings to enjoy some of those foods.
She did NOT except that she was wrong. And she's not right. She has continued to insist that my diet is bad. Yes, 50 grams is an absolute low, but just because I had 50 grams one day doesn't mean I only get that much every day. My goal is set at 60 grams because that is a reasonable amount, unless I eat nothing but eggs and meat there's really no way that I'm going to get much more than that while still staying under 1200 calories a day.
People are on MFP because they are looking to lose, gain, or maintain their weight by CICO.
I know what correct portion sizes are. I weigh every single thing I consume and have been doing so for 2+ years.
The only person who keeps calling your diet bad is you. I never called your diet bad- not once. My only problem with your diet is that 1200 calories is much too low. As another user pointed out, the amount of food you consume is very little and would not be satisfying for many people. Considering you only have 17 more pounds to lose, your deficit is much too large for the weight you have left to lose. Chances are you could eat 1500 calories and still lose weight.
You think I'm being rude- but I'm really just being blunt and upfront with you about your calorie intake.
1200 calories is not "much too low". I gave MFP my information and that's what it gave me... I didn't change it at all. You're right, I could probably lose weight at 1500... but 1200 does it faster. I lose about 1.5 lbs a week. You can't say it's much too low just based on the information you have. You have no idea how tall I am or what my weight is or what my activity level is.
Unless you are a doctor I don't think you can make claims that go against professional software. There's a lot of people on 1200.
1200 calories is in fact too low for you. Many people here will back me up on this.
A weight loss of 1.5 lbs a week is too aggressive for the weight you have to lose (17 lbs according to your profile). Many people will back me up on this, too.
MFP sets EVERY user here calorie goal at 1200- until YOU change it to fit YOUR needs. You act like MFP is a software that magically knows the calories and macros you need for your body- it isn't. You need to enter that yourself.
BTW, weight loss isn't a race. Fast weight loss isn't necessarily good. Slow & steady wins the race.
It's not "too aggressive". No matter how much weight you have to lose, from my research, as long as you're not consistently losing more than 2 lbs a week there's nothing wrong with it.
There is no time limit for how fast or slow you have to lose weight to be successful.
Research and people who have been successful here have determined otherwise I know you're young and think you have the answers to everything, but try listening to people who have been there and done that. You might actually learn something.
Has research determined that those who lose faster have a lower success rate? I'd be interested in seeing it.
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AlabasterVerve wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »Don't be disappointed when you gain all of the weight back plus some due to your desire to lose the weight as fast as possible.
There's reason to believe the speed of weight loss does not impact the rate of regain.Summary: Contrary to current dietary recommendations, slow and steady weight loss does not reduce the amount or rate of weight regain compared with losing weight quickly, new research has found.
Science: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587%2814%2970200-1/abstract
Media: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141015190832.htm
That study is very flawed in the fact there was a group restricted to a diet of 450-800 calories a day for 12 weeks. No person should be eating less than 1,200 per day. Not only was this caloric restriction unhealthy, but it was unrealistic considering the possible metabolic damage and how it may have contributed to the weight regain.
Of course the initial weight loss tends to be rapid, but science also shows how plateauing comes into play. Most people do tend to regain the weight after an extended amount of time. I think more research needs to be done on a variety of weight-groups.0 -
FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
Isn't the whole reason many people are on MFP is because they don't know what correct portion sizes are? Also, yeah, maybe they're a little lower than a general serving... but when you're trying to lose weight you have to have smaller servings to enjoy some of those foods.
She did NOT except that she was wrong. And she's not right. She has continued to insist that my diet is bad. Yes, 50 grams is an absolute low, but just because I had 50 grams one day doesn't mean I only get that much every day. My goal is set at 60 grams because that is a reasonable amount, unless I eat nothing but eggs and meat there's really no way that I'm going to get much more than that while still staying under 1200 calories a day.
People are on MFP because they are looking to lose, gain, or maintain their weight by CICO.
I know what correct portion sizes are. I weigh every single thing I consume and have been doing so for 2+ years.
The only person who keeps calling your diet bad is you. I never called your diet bad- not once. My only problem with your diet is that 1200 calories is much too low. As another user pointed out, the amount of food you consume is very little and would not be satisfying for many people. Considering you only have 17 more pounds to lose, your deficit is much too large for the weight you have left to lose. Chances are you could eat 1500 calories and still lose weight.
You think I'm being rude- but I'm really just being blunt and upfront with you about your calorie intake.
1200 calories is not "much too low". I gave MFP my information and that's what it gave me... I didn't change it at all. You're right, I could probably lose weight at 1500... but 1200 does it faster. I lose about 1.5 lbs a week. You can't say it's much too low just based on the information you have. You have no idea how tall I am or what my weight is or what my activity level is.
Unless you are a doctor I don't think you can make claims that go against professional software. There's a lot of people on 1200.
1200 calories is in fact too low for you. Many people here will back me up on this.
A weight loss of 1.5 lbs a week is too aggressive for the weight you have to lose (17 lbs according to your profile). Many people will back me up on this, too.
MFP sets EVERY user here calorie goal at 1200- until YOU change it to fit YOUR needs. You act like MFP is a software that magically knows the calories and macros you need for your body- it isn't. You need to enter that yourself.
BTW, weight loss isn't a race. Fast weight loss isn't necessarily good. Slow & steady wins the race.
It's not "too aggressive". No matter how much weight you have to lose, from my research, as long as you're not consistently losing more than 2 lbs a week there's nothing wrong with it.
There is no time limit for how fast or slow you have to lose weight to be successful.
Research and people who have been successful here have determined otherwise I know you're young and think you have the answers to everything, but try listening to people who have been there and done that. You might actually learn something.
Has research determined that those who lose faster have a lower success rate? I'd be interested in seeing it.
Nope, never been demonstrated.0 -
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »FatFreeFrolicking wrote: »KisforKrista wrote: »Well as long as you are sure you are being accurate, although its going to be hard for people to help you if one day you need it because they wont be able to see that in your logging and will assume you don't know what you are consuming and eating more then you think you are.
My diary and logging are for me, I don't mind other people looking at them, but that's how recipes are logged. There's nothing I can do about that. I weigh every single thing I put in my mouth unless I just don't have access to a scale, I am EXTREMELY accurate. I don't really need help as far as what I eat, and if I decided that I needed help I would probably mention in my post that "servings" are either based off a recipe or something actually weighed exactly what the serving size says.
Sorry but 3 servings of 'sweet crepes with strawberry filling' has way more than 309 calories and 39 grams of carbs.
Same goes for meatloaf. 3 servings for 284 calories? I don't think so.
I'm sorry but did you read the rest of my comments? I guarantee all of that is completely accurate.
Do you mind sending the recipes for the crepes and meatloaf you made?
Sure:
Meatloaf: 6 servings (I ate 3)
208 grams ground beef
70 grams white onion
5 grams shredded carrot
46 gram egg (a medium sized egg)
40 grams bread crumbs (Great value whole wheat)
a little garlic, salt, and pepper (not enough to even show up on the scale)
Potatoes: 2 servings (I ate 1)
231 grams potatoes
23 grams butter (about 2 tbs)
1/3 cup 1% milk
plus a little salt and garlic for flavor
Crepes: 4 servings (I ate 3 because I burned one)
62 grams enriched wheat flour
49 gram egg (medium sized egg)
1/4 cup 1% milk
1/4 cup water
a tiny bit of salt
12 grams butter
3 grams raw sugar
Thanks for the recipes! The calorie counts are more believable after seeing the recipes. Each serving is obviously on the small side.
If you think those servings are small then you probably have a very skewed view of how much you should be eating. I can't see how anyone could eat more than 3 crepes with filling. The meatloaf was a total of 210 grams, and the potatoes were about 153 grams. Of course, I ate some other things for dessert... but I honestly wouldn't have eaten more than that even when I wasn't trying to lose weight.
Based on your diary, your diet is mainly comprised of carbs. You eat very little protein from what I can see. For example, crepes would never be satisfying or filling for me because they are made up of entirely carbs and little to no protein. You ate 3 breadsticks for dinner one night… I personally wouldn't call that a dinner. I like well-balanced meals with a similar ratio of carbs, protein, and fat.
I can make assumptions too.
I ate 3 breadsticks for dinner because I ate a really large snack and my parents surprised me by showing up at my apartment and taking me out to dinner. (and since that's a 2 hour drive for them and they just came to fix my car I couldn't really say "no") I still had 50 grams of protein that day and my daily goal is 60.
I have balanced days and weeks, not necessarily balanced meals because dinner is often the only meal I can eat at home.
Sure, I eat carbs because they're filling, but I also eat a lot of protein throughout most days.
You also have a much higher calorie goal than I do, my protein and carbs are just about on point for the amount of calories I actually consume.
I eat things I enjoy, I am healthy and consistently losing weight. I stay under my calorie goal. I meticulously weigh every single thing I eat.
Frankly, looking at your diary I feel I would be extremely bored with your diet.
The whole point of the original post is that she doesn't like having to worry about what she eats. Dieting is awful and boring, and while I love healthy food I want people to know that you don't have to have "forbidden foods" or be restrictive to lose weight and to be healthy.
I personally don't consider 50-60 grams of protein/day a lot of protein. You might- that's fine.
I eat the way I eat because I have medical conditions that require me to do so. I also eat the way I do because it makes me feel my best and keeps me out of the hospital.
No where have I said that there's anything wrong with incorporating foods you enjoy into your diet. I ALWAYS tell people to eat the foods they enjoy in moderation because eliminating foods leads to binges and yo-yo dieting.
60 grams is enough because my calorie goal is 1200. Your calorie goal appears to be 2000 so more protein is required. It's a ratio, there's NO way I could reach more than MAYBE 70 grams of protein and still stay under my calorie goal.
You're upset because I said your eating was boring, but you eat that way because you have to. So why are you condemning how I eat?
You might be surprised to learn that even though MFP does do macros by percentages, 50g of protein is the absolute minimum you should get no matter how many calories you eat. Even on a medically supervised VLCD, 50g is usually the minimum. Protein grams aren't as affected by how many calories you're allowed as you might think!
There seems to be a lot of arguing for no reason, here. She accepted that she was wrong about your meatloaf and crepes, there was no need to continue the argument by saying she has a skewed view on portion sizes. Truth is that she was right. Most average portions of those foods have a lot more calories than what you said. All she was saying was that you said it was x amount of servings but they were smaller servings than she anticipated.
ANYWAY. OP. Dieting doesn't have to be boring! You can still enjoy treats and fit them in your calories, and there are a lot of fun healthy low cal recipes out there on the internet
That's some US-standard the rest of the world goes meh over. Here in The Netherlands, the guideline is 0.8 grams per kilo body weight. So for me that's ~43 g a day.
I also don't have much to lose as I gained my weight by going just over maintenance pretty much every day with a bag of potato crisps. I cut that out, eat 1200 - 1300 cal as I always used to do naturally and added a work-out every day. I'm not going to take four months to lose 8 lb, tyvm. I just want to drop the weight and get on with my life, minus the crisps. So yes, for me it is a sprint. Stop faulting people who are in a situation different from yours. You have no idea what our situations are like and how our bodies react. I'll trust my doctor and dietitian, if you don't mind, and live happily off of 1200 (plus a bit on heavy exercise days) for two months so I can go back to maintenance at around 1900 calories. Your truth is not universal, okay?
And OP? Restricting sucks. And as much as it's a life style change, it will probably only feel like that once you go into maintenance. All the tools you learned while restricting should help you over indulge then. You can do this!0 -
@kateyb94 I've read through this thread....I think you're doing it well from recipe building to portion control, to eating back exercise, to variable daily intake ...true you could eat more and slow your weight loss a touch using the rough 1% bodyweight guideline and that would be my personal preference but it's not a hard and fast rule and you're netting a minimum of 1200. You're not asking but I'd also say your protein is probably a touch low for defecit and I would up it to a minimum 0.64g per lb bodyweight and make sure your micronutrients are generally in line
Anyway just wanted to say I thought you handled this thread quite well and your attitude has the hallmarks of success0 -
Thanks, I appreciate the positive feedback@kateyb94 I've read through this thread....I think you're doing it well from recipe building to portion control, to eating back exercise, to variable daily intake ...true you could eat more and slow your weight loss a touch using the rough 1% bodyweight guideline and that would be my personal preference but it's not a hard and fast rule and you're netting a minimum of 1200. You're not asking but I'd also say your protein is probably a touch low for defecit and I would up it to a minimum 0.64g per lb bodyweight and make sure your micronutrients are generally in line
Anyway just wanted to say I thought you handled this thread quite well and your attitude has the hallmarks of success0
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