Matt Lauer proving why no-sugar does't work
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You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Well, you're obviously missing the point of the initial post, which was about a specific episode of the Today Show, and replacement food for regular food.
If the point was something other than replacements foods will make you miss the original food and binge on them, then I suppose I did.
People won't like the 'replacement food' because it doesn't taste good. They will miss the food they are trying to replace. They won't eat the replacement food, and will still eat the regular food they like.
Learning to eat in moderation isn't easy, no one has said that it is. Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean you just give up and go back to overeating. Or trying restriction, which has a very high rate of failure. One common misconception people have about moderation is that it means keeping foods in the home and portioning them out, where they are easily accessible. Often people will binge on foods if that is the case. the recommendation is to not keep the foods in the house, in those cases, and to go and buy a single serving at a time when one is wanted, to avoid overconsumption.
I moderate my consumption in different ways, depending on the food. I used to be a bread binger, but I have learned to moderate while keeping it in the house. Some things I buy a single serving when I want it. Other things I buy full sizes but keep them in a less accessible spot, like the trunk of my car. I hope to eventually not need to do these things but, until I have been able to change my behavior completely, these tricks will need to do.
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thatgeekinit wrote: »You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
That might be true for you, but every person is different. I know people who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit and can't figure out why they aren't losing weight.
And doughnuts have fat in them, and will be more satiating than fruit.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Well, you're obviously missing the point of the initial post, which was about a specific episode of the Today Show, and replacement food for regular food.
You missed the point that because Matt Lauer didn't like a handful of foods SOMEBODY ELSE chose for him, it doesn't mean that nobody can give up added sugar. Millions of people have and maintained it for years. Not everybody NEEDS their sugar.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Well, you're obviously missing the point of the initial post, which was about a specific episode of the Today Show, and replacement food for regular food.
If the point was something other than replacements foods will make you miss the original food and binge on them, then I suppose I did.
People won't like the 'replacement food' because it doesn't taste good. They will miss the food they are trying to replace. They won't eat the replacement food, and will still eat the regular food they like.
Learning to eat in moderation isn't easy, no one has said that it is. Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean you just give up and go back to overeating. Or trying restriction, which has a very high rate of failure. One common misconception people have about moderation is that it means keeping foods in the home and portioning them out, where they are easily accessible. Often people will binge on foods if that is the case. the recommendation is to not keep the foods in the house, in those cases, and to go and buy a single serving at a time when one is wanted, to avoid overconsumption.
The first paragraph would be true if you changed every "will" to "may".
Diets of all types have a very high rate of failure. Thinking there is one way that will work for everyone seems ridiculous to me. There isn't. We can argue about it all day and there still won't be.0 -
maillemaker wrote: »You can still have the ice cream, the cookie, the piece of cake. A serving of it. Not a binge sitting.
The problem is many people lack the self-control to do that, especially initially. As the saying goes:
did you read the whole post? Or my post to you in the other thread? You're missing the point of moderation. Weighing, logging, having the small serving every day. No restriction, no binging necessary. You know you get to have more again. Hold yourself accountable for your actions.
Binging is not "necessary" for anybody. The problem is lots of people do it. Both those who practice restriction AND those who practice moderation. It's a completely separate issue and people should choose the strategy (restriction or elimination) that works best for them.0 -
personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.0 -
mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
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A definitely can. If I have a bowl full of my favorite fruits, I can't have it within arm's reach or else it would be empty pretty fast.thatgeekinit wrote: »You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
That might be true for you, but every person is different. I know people who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit and can't figure out why they aren't losing weight.
And doughnuts have fat in them, and will be more satiating than fruit.
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thatgeekinit wrote: »You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
That might be true for you, but every person is different. I know people who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit and can't figure out why they aren't losing weight.
And doughnuts have fat in them, and will be more satiating than fruit.
Makes me wonder what else these people "who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit" are eating. But your other point goes both ways. One donut clearly doesn't cut it for a lot of people, and apples have fiber that also makes one feel full and satisfied. I feel lucky that sweets have never been my weakness. I love salty foods, however
I could easily give up added sugar, but since it's never been a weakness of mine, I don't see the point.
I do agree with your main point, though. Moderation, not replacement foods, is the key. But the thing is, a lot of the time "replacement foods" are replacing junk that really shouldn't make up a huge percentage of our daily calories anyway.
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Learning to eat in moderation isn't easy, no one has said that it is. Just because something isn't easy doesn't mean you just give up and go back to overeating. Or trying restriction, which has a very high rate of failure.
Is there any data that shows long-term weight loss results between moderation vs. abstinence?
Personally, I find it a process of building confidence and stamina. I could not undertake moderation, caloric deficit, and exercise simultaneously. I did not have the strength in me to do all of those at once. So I did caloric deficit first. Then, as I started feeling like I had some control over that, and got some confidence from the weight loss results, I felt like I could try eating some foods in moderation. Once I felt like I had a handle on that, I felt like I could try some exercise.
Each of these things is an additional burden you have to bear. Just like you might not be able to pick up 100 pounds right away, you might be able to do it if you work up to it.
Lots of people who might be able to manage a caloric deficit through abstinence are not mentally able to do it with moderation yet.
Like the saying goes, it's a lot easier to avoid temptation than it is to resist it. It can be the difference between sticking to a diet or not.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.0 -
Just for the record, I have been adding a tablespoon of real brown sugar to my plain oatmeal the last few mornings instead of having it plain, with stevia, or plain with fruit. And it has made all the difference. Seriously the best most satiating breakfasts I can remember. Artificial sweeteners don't do that for me at all. For me, it's worth the 56 or whatever extra calories because it is so satisfying I quit thinking about food all morning.0
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
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thatgeekinit wrote: »You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
That might be true for you, but every person is different. I know people who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit and can't figure out why they aren't losing weight.
And doughnuts have fat in them, and will be more satiating than fruit.
I also find it odd that people think you can't binge on nutrient dense things (regardless of if they're sweet or not). I had a binge the other day, and ended up eating what was within easy reach; ended up being the entire pound of brussel sprouts I'd just roasted...0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
How is keeping food you overeat out of the house not a method of learning not to overeat? You can't overeat it if it's not there, right?0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
It appears to me she has learned one easy way to not overeat: Simply do not keep things she eats too much of in her house. Whether she finds other ways is her call. If she does, not keeping it at home will work in the meantime. If she doesn't, not keeping it at home will work forever.
You grossly oversimplify matters, which is not helpful for anybody looking for advice. That's a shame.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
How is keeping food you overeat out of the house not a method of learning not to overeat? You can't overeat it if it's not there, right?
If your problem is so great that you can't keep any food in the house......? she's losing foods one at a time, what's next?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
How is keeping food you overeat out of the house not a method of learning not to overeat? You can't overeat it if it's not there, right?
If your problem is so great that you can't keep any food in the house......? she's losing foods one at a time, what's next?
She mentioned TWO foods. Seriously, get control of yourself.
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I myself ate a pound of fruit almost everyday while I was in the hospital, in addition to everything else.
That might be true for you, but every person is different. I know people who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit and can't figure out why they aren't losing weight.thatgeekinit wrote: »You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
And doughnuts have fat in them, and will be more satiating than fruit.
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thatgeekinit wrote: »You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
That might be true for you, but every person is different. I know people who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit and can't figure out why they aren't losing weight.
And doughnuts have fat in them, and will be more satiating than fruit.
I also find it odd that people think you can't binge on nutrient dense things (regardless of if they're sweet or not). I had a binge the other day, and ended up eating what was within easy reach; ended up being the entire pound of brussel sprouts I'd just roasted...
Oh, I've done that with vegetables, especially roasted ones. SO good.0 -
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
How is keeping food you overeat out of the house not a method of learning not to overeat? You can't overeat it if it's not there, right?
If your problem is so great that you can't keep any food in the house......? she's losing foods one at a time, what's next?
The first sentence has a question mark but I don't see a question to answer. What difference does what's next make? Even if your ridiculous extrapolation was correct and she did lose food one at a time it would take a really long time to go through every food, don't you think?0 -
thatgeekinit wrote: »You have to find something that works for you. We have an absolutely terrible industry for weight loss in this country that just wants to sell you the latest fad or a long term gym membership or expensive meals and supplements.
I just replaced some of the really high calorie, low satisfaction stuff with some counterparts that I actually prefer but didn't think of buying until I went looking. I have dropped nearly all of the soda from my diet. I buy those honest teas instead when I want a drink that isn't water and its half the calories or less compared to the soda. My other go-to is an unsweetened ice coffee with some milk. That is about 60 calories and its impossible to go back for seconds unless you want bad things to happen to your insides. They are also way more expensive than soda so that helps keep the quantity down.
The other thing I do is manage the proximity of the treats. I buy the dark chocolate cranberries and espresso beans from Trader Joes and I don't let myself take the container out of the cupboard so its limited to a small handful if I happen to want some. The end result is that I end up with less than a serving instead of half the box.
Lastly, I try hard to make myself eat a piece of fresh fruit before any other snack items. You simply can't binge on fresh fruit the way you can on anything processed or dehydrated or baked. You'll be sick before you hit 400 calories worth of apples, but that second doughnut won't even make you feel satisfied.
That might be true for you, but every person is different. I know people who eat hundreds of calories a day of fruit and can't figure out why they aren't losing weight.
And doughnuts have fat in them, and will be more satiating than fruit.
I also find it odd that people think you can't binge on nutrient dense things (regardless of if they're sweet or not). I had a binge the other day, and ended up eating what was within easy reach; ended up being the entire pound of brussel sprouts I'd just roasted...
Does anyone think that? As many people binge on things like chips and pizza as on sweets, I'd bet.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
How is keeping food you overeat out of the house not a method of learning not to overeat? You can't overeat it if it's not there, right?
If your problem is so great that you can't keep any food in the house......? she's losing foods one at a time, what's next?
The first sentence has a question mark but I don't see a question to answer. What difference does what's next make? Even if your ridiculous extrapolation was correct and she did lose food one at a time it would take a really long time to go through every food, don't you think?
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maillemaker wrote: »Personally, I find it a process of building confidence and stamina. I could not undertake moderation, caloric deficit, and exercise simultaneously. I did not have the strength in me to do all of those at once. So I did caloric deficit first. Then, as I started feeling like I had some control over that, and got some confidence from the weight loss results, I felt like I could try eating some foods in moderation. Once I felt like I had a handle on that, I felt like I could try some exercise.
Each of these things is an additional burden you have to bear. Just like you might not be able to pick up 100 pounds right away, you might be able to do it if you work up to it.
Lots of people who might be able to manage a caloric deficit through abstinence are not mentally able to do it with moderation yet.
Like the saying goes, it's a lot easier to avoid temptation than it is to resist it. It can be the difference between sticking to a diet or not.
This is interesting and definitely shows how people are different.
For me, it was important to start with exercise plus a calorie deficit. Not hard exercise -- I intentionally made my demands on myself pretty easy at first -- but exercise makes a huge difference to my motivation and excitement about the process. It was important to me not to focus JUST on deprivation.
Similarly, it was important to focus on improving my diet (not just cutting calories) upfront, since that felt like a fun, positive change, not just deprivation. As part of that I focused on changing some habits, which meant cutting out sweets for a while AND snacking, and came to realize that the issue for me wasn't sweets, but snacking, so my version of elimination was eliminating snacking.
As for moderation, I see this as really a choice between a year (or a lifetime) on diet food, as I see some people try to do--all veggies with no oil or butter and chicken breast and "diet" products and Fiber One bars (I know some like those, I don't)--or eating basically normally, just less. It was important to me to believe that eating fewer calories would also be a fun, enjoyable way to eat, so I've included chicken with skin and steak and pork shoulder on occasion and lamb shanks and some butter on my fish sometimes and potatoes and pasta and, yes, ice cream and cheese as part of my overall diet. And lots of vegetables since I love vegetables and am a volume eater. For me it would not be at all easier to eat in a more restrictive manner while dieting--it would make it hard to imagine doing it for the 13 months it took me to lose my 95 lbs to date or while maintaining happily. But doing it as I did I didn't find it hard at all. (And the fact I exercised so had a reasonable number of calories probably helped.)
Now, as I've been maintaining, I do find myself working through some of the issues with sustaining this as fun without the added benefit of seeing the losses every week. I am satisfied and enjoy how I eat, but sure I'd sometimes like not to have to think of it, but that's not focused on any particular kind of food. I don't think elimination would make this aspect of it -- or my emotional eating struggles -- easier for me.
But I acknowledge that people are different.
Overall, I think it's been an interesting and not unpleasant process. Fun even.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
How is keeping food you overeat out of the house not a method of learning not to overeat? You can't overeat it if it's not there, right?
You can if you get offered it places besides the house, so if that happens putting all your eggs in the avoidance basket might not be helpful.
But it also might, if your house was the place you were in the habit of eating it, of course.0 -
flyingtanuki wrote: »Raw horse meat ice cream would be a great replacement food.
I love weird ice cream flavors. Avocado ice cream sounds delicious to me.
But raw horse meat, no. I've met my adventurous eating limit!
(Pretty sure that the eat for your Type B blood diet said I should eat a lot of raw horse meat, though.)0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »mantium999 wrote: »personally it is easier for me to give up sugar and use my calories for healthier options. i am not able to measure out 1/2 cup of ice cream and then leave it alone, if i eat sugar i crave more sugar. i have been eating Quest bars but i am starting to eat them too often so i don't plan on buying anymore for awhile. the last Quest bar that i ate had only 1 gram of sugar, plus 17g of fiber, and 21g of protein. i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. i also try to get the most nutrition from my calories. i think you have to do what works for you and listen to your body. i admire those who can practice moderation!
This post is an example of why this debate happens. This person associates sugar as bad for them, on account of cravings. So she must avoid things like ice cream. But then proceeded to say she isn't buying any more Quest bars because she is eating them too often, despite the fact they only have 1g of sugar. It therefore seems reasonable to think that this person has a misguided fear of sugar.
No, it is completely unreasonable to think that. She clearly stated she tries to not keep foods in the house that she overeats...which is perfectly reasonable and taking personal responsibility. She mentioned sugar and ice cream. And then mentioned a low sugar item which she also avoids for the same reason...she eats too much of it. I don't know where you get the idea she is "afraid" of sugar. Perhaps you read a different post and replied to the wrong person?
No, I don't think so. It stands to reason. this person obviously is relating overeating to something else. Otherwise the nutrition information, including the sugar, wouldn't have been included.
If sugar routinely makes her overeat, she is relating sugar to overeating. She also relates Quest bars to overeating, and she has very clearly stated they do NOT have a lot of sugar. Thus, she she was pretty clear that ANY food she over eats she tried not to keep at home. She actually wrote these words..."i just try not to keep foods in the house that i over eat. "
This seems pretty simple to me.
Sugar doesn't MAKE her overeat. She chooses to overeat things that have sugar in them. Not keeping them in the house is a good choice for her.
However, she needs to learn how not to overeat. The fact that she now has a food that doesn't have a lot of sugar that she's overeating says a lot, doesn't it? when does she get to the point where she's not keeping any food in the house?
How is keeping food you overeat out of the house not a method of learning not to overeat? You can't overeat it if it's not there, right?
You can if you get offered it places besides the house, so if that happens putting all your eggs in the avoidance basket might not be helpful.
But it also might, if your house was the place you were in the habit of eating it, of course.
Even if you are offered it outside your home and you do over-indulge, that doesn't mean you will have overeaten for more than that day. Most everyone has high calorie days. Keeping troublesome foods out of the house can be a good way to keep those days to a minimum.0
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