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Ayurvedic nutrition and holistic health
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ceoverturf wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
Two different studies were posted earlier in the thread, and (not surprisingly) have been complete ignored by the supporters.
Lest you incorrectly peg me as a supporter, I'll point out that bashing the bashers does not equal support of Ayurveda per se.
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tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
Pseudoscience with no discernible standards or measurable definitions can be easily used to fleece people. That's the reason you see proliferation in western locations. It's money.
The problem, I think, is that you took a path towards improvement and, when you realized that improvement, are now crediting it to ayurveda when, in reality, all you did was start eating better. You could have done that without the woo and still feel as good as you do now. And you'd have $175 more dollars in your pocket (minus the $19.99 for the cookbook, of course).
I agree about the fleecing and all the new agey stuff making money. I see it everywhere, and it's a slippery slope. But I don't think $175 is much to pay someone to totally jumpstart my digestion. I don't think I would have figured it out on my own. I'm trying to work so don't want to totally go into it here but woudl be happy to write you a message explaining why it's specific to me and why i think it helped. I agree that of course it's better to just, well, eat better but there were some things that weren't so obvious as that going on, and had to do with me, my history and my physical makeup. I woudn't have gotten there on my own, and I was already eating extremely healthy, just not the right things for my body and it was giving my stomach a hard time.
Nah, don't sweat it. You're fine. Sometimes we need a kick in the crotch, and if it comes from a shady place but leads to good results, no worries. I just argue with this stuff because some people don't approach it like you do and instead assign it these magical Indian properties.
ETA: And because some of the more extreme practices can actually hurt you, as pointed out in this thread.
Cool, but it's not a shady place, I don't think. I agree that people should use common sense. But I got psuedomembraneous intercolitis from western doctors overprescribing me antibiotics, so my *kitten* detector is pretty up in every direction, including some accepted science.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
Two different studies were posted earlier in the thread, and (not surprisingly) have been complete ignored by the supporters.
Lest you incorrectly peg me as a supporter, I'll point out that bashing the bashers does not equal support of Ayurveda per se.
I thought intentionally bashing other posters was against the TOS?0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
Pseudoscience with no discernible standards or measurable definitions can be easily used to fleece people. That's the reason you see proliferation in western locations. It's money.
The problem, I think, is that you took a path towards improvement and, when you realized that improvement, are now crediting it to ayurveda when, in reality, all you did was start eating better. You could have done that without the woo and still feel as good as you do now. And you'd have $175 more dollars in your pocket (minus the $19.99 for the cookbook, of course).
I agree about the fleecing and all the new agey stuff making money. I see it everywhere, and it's a slippery slope. But I don't think $175 is much to pay someone to totally jumpstart my digestion. I don't think I would have figured it out on my own. I'm trying to work so don't want to totally go into it here but woudl be happy to write you a message explaining why it's specific to me and why i think it helped. I agree that of course it's better to just, well, eat better but there were some things that weren't so obvious as that going on, and had to do with me, my history and my physical makeup. I woudn't have gotten there on my own, and I was already eating extremely healthy, just not the right things for my body and it was giving my stomach a hard time.
Nah, don't sweat it. You're fine. Sometimes we need a kick in the crotch, and if it comes from a shady place but leads to good results, no worries. I just argue with this stuff because some people don't approach it like you do and instead assign it these magical Indian properties.
ETA: And because some of the more extreme practices can actually hurt you, as pointed out in this thread.
Cool, but it's not a shady place, I don't think. I agree that people should use common sense. But I got psuedomembraneous intercolitis from western doctors overprescribing me antibiotics, so my *kitten* detector is pretty up in every direction, including commonly accepted science.
If you read further up, someone posted a link to a list of people who have died or become seriously ill because of ayurvedic medication. So personally... I think it does come from a shady place. Like all businesses, they just want your money.0 -
ericGold15 wrote: »So long as a balanced, nutritious diet is eaten, an Ayurvedic diet will not hurt you.
Some people like bland, tasteless, lukewarm food.
Tasteless? Have some kitchari: https://www.ayurveda.com/online_resource/kitchari_recipe.html
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margaretlb4 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
Pseudoscience with no discernible standards or measurable definitions can be easily used to fleece people. That's the reason you see proliferation in western locations. It's money.
The problem, I think, is that you took a path towards improvement and, when you realized that improvement, are now crediting it to ayurveda when, in reality, all you did was start eating better. You could have done that without the woo and still feel as good as you do now. And you'd have $175 more dollars in your pocket (minus the $19.99 for the cookbook, of course).
I agree about the fleecing and all the new agey stuff making money. I see it everywhere, and it's a slippery slope. But I don't think $175 is much to pay someone to totally jumpstart my digestion. I don't think I would have figured it out on my own. I'm trying to work so don't want to totally go into it here but woudl be happy to write you a message explaining why it's specific to me and why i think it helped. I agree that of course it's better to just, well, eat better but there were some things that weren't so obvious as that going on, and had to do with me, my history and my physical makeup. I woudn't have gotten there on my own, and I was already eating extremely healthy, just not the right things for my body and it was giving my stomach a hard time.
Nah, don't sweat it. You're fine. Sometimes we need a kick in the crotch, and if it comes from a shady place but leads to good results, no worries. I just argue with this stuff because some people don't approach it like you do and instead assign it these magical Indian properties.
ETA: And because some of the more extreme practices can actually hurt you, as pointed out in this thread.
Cool, but it's not a shady place, I don't think. I agree that people should use common sense. But I got psuedomembraneous intercolitis from western doctors overprescribing me antibiotics, so my *kitten* detector is pretty up in every direction, including some accepted science.
I don't know. I think anything, whether it be a way of eating, an alternative medical treatment, an exercise regimen, etc. is shady if it makes impractical and/or unrealistic claims. It's my opinion that ayurvedic practices meet that standard. Maybe it's not shady in the way you approached it, but I don't think you're the normal practitioner.0 -
I don't know anything about Ayuruvedic weight loss, but one herb commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine is turmeric. It is a powerful cancer fighter (anti-tumural and antiangiogenesis) and an anti-inflammatory. I had stage three cancer six years ago and only did half the chemotherapy in part because of turmeric. (I buy organic turmeric in the natural food store and make my own capsules with black pepper. I take it daily.)0
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kshama2001 wrote: »ericGold15 wrote: »So long as a balanced, nutritious diet is eaten, an Ayurvedic diet will not hurt you.
Some people like bland, tasteless, lukewarm food.
Tasteless? Have some kitchari: https://www.ayurveda.com/online_resource/kitchari_recipe.html
Oh, I thought they were calling non-ayurvedic food bland, tasteless, and lukewarm.
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oyChihuahua wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
Readily dismissible - science believers are a merely cultists here on MFP
No one ever expects the CICO Cult Inquisition!0 -
fastforlife1 wrote: »I don't know anything about Ayuruvedic weight loss, but one herb commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine is turmeric. It is a powerful cancer fighter (anti-tumural and antiangiogenesis) and an anti-inflammatory. I had stage three cancer six years ago and only did half the chemotherapy in part because of turmeric.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/turmeric-tasty-in-curry-questionable-as-medicine/0 -
fastforlife1 wrote: »I don't know anything about Ayuruvedic weight loss, but one herb commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine is turmeric. It is a powerful cancer fighter (anti-tumural and antiangiogenesis) and an anti-inflammatory. I had stage three cancer six years ago and only did half the chemotherapy in part because of turmeric. (I buy organic turmeric in the natural food store and make my own capsules with black pepper. I take it daily.)
Oh dear...
*le sigh*0 -
I guess my digestion is a Prius in that I think it would be near impossible to jump start it.0
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ceoverturf wrote: »fastforlife1 wrote: »I don't know anything about Ayuruvedic weight loss, but one herb commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine is turmeric. It is a powerful cancer fighter (anti-tumural and antiangiogenesis) and an anti-inflammatory. I had stage three cancer six years ago and only did half the chemotherapy in part because of turmeric. (I buy organic turmeric in the natural food store and make my own capsules with black pepper. I take it daily.)
Oh dear...
*le sigh*
Yep. When people ask "what's the harm?" or wonder why I argue about this bull****, this right here is the reason.0 -
Le Sigh.
There is no such thing as "Western Medicine."
There is medical science and everything else.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »fastforlife1 wrote: »I don't know anything about Ayuruvedic weight loss, but one herb commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine is turmeric. It is a powerful cancer fighter (anti-tumural and antiangiogenesis) and an anti-inflammatory. I had stage three cancer six years ago and only did half the chemotherapy in part because of turmeric. (I buy organic turmeric in the natural food store and make my own capsules with black pepper. I take it daily.)
Oh dear...
*le sigh*
Well, at least there've been positive results using purified curcurmin in cell culture with specific human colorectal cancer cell lines, unlike a lot of these kinds of claims that don't have a hint of a shred of evidence.0 -
Yeah, it is a huge false label that tries to make it about racism by people who are actually being a bit racist by fetishizing other culture's ancient treatments. Ask these same people if they want to act on ancient white people's wisdom of bloodletting and they'll rightly say there isn't scientific evidence for it. Yet they'll listen to some guru says to balance their fire yin and water yang by standing on your head and taking herbs they can't identify and they'll listen just because he's Asian, and if you disagree because actual scientific evidence, you're insulting the person's culture.nakedraygun wrote: »Le Sigh.
There is no such thing as "Western Medicine."
There is medical science and everything else.
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WildePillar wrote: »Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone out there practices or studies Ayurvedic nutrition. I feel like I'm gonna get yelled at for posting this on MFP because Ayurveda is not about counting calories for weight loss, but it IS about achieving optimal health by eating for your body type.
Anyway, I recently started looking into Ayurveda after the birth of my infant daughter. If anyone has any good resources, recipes, practices that they'd like to share I would love to hear them! Please feel free to add me
These threads tend to degenerate into howler monkey status pretty quickly, but I guess I'll share my perspective and then walk away. As wiser people than I have said, "take what you need and leave the rest".
My whole professional career has been in private and public health settings, trying to support people in various categories labeled as "high risk" for any number of reasons. I rely on good science to help me craft recommendations and interventions. I know enough about science and research to understand that none of it is The Last Word, and even the best research has plenty of grey areas.
I believe in many, but not all, "Western" medical practices (using the phrase to differentiate from practices generally labeled as "complementary" or "alternative", as I think it makes the conversation a bit more clear). I'm a genuine advocate of complementary or alternative medicine IF it is demonstrably effective. Unfortunately, my experience with and understanding of Ayurvedic practices has left me feeling that the efficacy of Ayurvedic medicines has never been clearly demonstrated and is highly doubtful, while potentially dangerous risks have been well-documented.
I DO agree with the concept that mind/body/spirit are not separate. But that's a very basic concept that is expressed across countless belief systems and health practices. There are many spiritual practices and philosophies that can help you attain a better physical/mental/spiritual balance, and there are plenty of studies offering evidence that practices like mindfulness meditation and Yoga, in combination with dietary and other lifestyle changes, can result in very positive health outcomes. But Ayurvedic 'medicine' has diverted too far into the realm of magic rather than spirituality, and as far as I'm concerned it is simply an expensive sham.
And with that, I am exiting this thread before a dumpster fire starts. For those remaining, have fun fanning the flames =P
^This is why we're friends.
To the OP, to answer one of your earlier questions, one of the reasons Chopra was brought up is because he's sort of the face of "pop culture" Ayurveda here in the States.
The problem here is the same as with western medicine. Just as all physicians aren't shady diet doctors or media hounds like Dr. Oz or "The Doctors", not all Ayurvedic practices are shady/harmful, particularly if they're handled in a complementary fashion in an integrated setting. Used in place of better practice? That's unconscionable. And in some cases, people like Chopra have promoted that sort of thing.
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fastforlife1 wrote: »I don't know anything about Ayuruvedic weight loss, but one herb commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine is turmeric. It is a powerful cancer fighter (anti-tumural and antiangiogenesis) and an anti-inflammatory. I had stage three cancer six years ago and only did half the chemotherapy in part because of turmeric. (I buy organic turmeric in the natural food store and make my own capsules with black pepper. I take it daily.)
Oh. my. Well....
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ceoverturf wrote: »fastforlife1 wrote: »I don't know anything about Ayuruvedic weight loss, but one herb commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine is turmeric. It is a powerful cancer fighter (anti-tumural and antiangiogenesis) and an anti-inflammatory. I had stage three cancer six years ago and only did half the chemotherapy in part because of turmeric. (I buy organic turmeric in the natural food store and make my own capsules with black pepper. I take it daily.)
Oh dear...
*le sigh*
Well, at least there've been positive results using purified curcurmin in cell culture with specific human colorectal cancer cell lines, unlike a lot of these kinds of claims that don't have a hint of a shred of evidence.
Yes, but in vivo (i.e. in real life, not in a petri dish) it has a very low bioavailability. Very little of it is actually absorbed by the body. And in high doses, it chelates iron and can cause a deficiency.0
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