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Ayurvedic nutrition and holistic health
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margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
I have, and would, laugh at someone spouting this nonsense in real life. I don't find it rude, I find it a normal reaction to ridiculous nonsense.
Can you describe the radical impact your nutritionist has had on your wallet?0 -
Can you describe the radical impact your nutritionist has had on your wallet?[/quote]
Sure thing - so far $175. But I've saved some money by cooking more.
The deal I'm trying to get at though is that I've been cooking my food instead of eating alot of raw food and its had a crazy wonderful impact on my digestion, and ability to sleep.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »
Sure thing - so far $175. But I've saved some money by cooking more.
The deal I'm trying to get at though is that I've been cooking my food instead of eating alot of raw food and its had a crazy wonderful impact on my digestion, and ability to sleep.
So, you've paid $175 for cooking classes? Couldn't you have just, I don't know, bought a cookbook?0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
Other than, you know, real life observations from the geographic location, studies indicating deep issues with the methods, and what appears to be rampant and horrifically negligent fraud in common ingredients. But the rest of it, yeah, no knowledge whatsoever...0 -
UltimateRBF wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »@WildePillar, as you can see, you are correct that you cannot have a civil conversation about Ayurveda here. Maybe check out this thread and reach out to the OP and other pro-Ayurvedic people there: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10167622/ayurvedic-nutrition-for-weight-loss-and-general-sanity/p1
Yes, it's great when people in comfortable, safe Western environments wax lyrical and romanticise about indigenous practices when those practices can actively harm people in developing countries.
Do elaborate about how Ayurveda hurts people in India. I look forward to running this by my Indian colleagues and getting their take on the matter.
I'm Sri Lankan as I said further up the thread.
I have had personal experience of very poor, very vulnerable, very hopeless people getting ripped off by Ayurvedic "medical" practitioners leading to worsening of conditions which modern medicine could have dealt with.
But please, do ask your Indian friends their opinion.kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »@WildePillar, as you can see, you are correct that you cannot have a civil conversation about Ayurveda here. Maybe check out this thread and reach out to the OP and other pro-Ayurvedic people there: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10167622/ayurvedic-nutrition-for-weight-loss-and-general-sanity/p1
Yes, it's great when people in comfortable, safe Western environments wax lyrical and romanticise about indigenous practices when those practices can actively harm people in developing countries.
Do elaborate about how Ayurveda hurts people in India. I look forward to running this by my Indian colleagues and getting their take on the matter.
Wait, you just pulled the "I have a (insert ethnic) friend, so therefore..." line.
Actually, I didn't. I have no idea what my Indian colleagues' opinion on Ayurveda is. When I said I was interested in getting their take on this matter, that's what I meant.
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tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Sure thing - so far $175. But I've saved some money by cooking more.
The deal I'm trying to get at though is that I've been cooking my food instead of eating alot of raw food and its had a crazy wonderful impact on my digestion, and ability to sleep.
So, you've paid $175 for cooking classes? Couldn't you have just, I don't know, bought a cookbook?
Really? Now cooking classes are being dissed. As if that's a bad thing?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Sure thing - so far $175. But I've saved some money by cooking more.
The deal I'm trying to get at though is that I've been cooking my food instead of eating alot of raw food and its had a crazy wonderful impact on my digestion, and ability to sleep.
So, you've paid $175 for cooking classes? Couldn't you have just, I don't know, bought a cookbook?
yeah i could have but sometimes I am able to admit that people know more than me, and need to know more about my body and patterns and how I eat. I wouldn't have gotten all that from a cookbook.
What is this negligent fraud in common ingredients? Are you talking about supplements? I eat mostly whole foods and take some ayurvedic supplements. I checked out your diary and see you eat splenda and mcdonalds so I think we might should just agree to disagree here about what is good to put into one's body. You should maybe check out the doc "Fed Up." Though I wish you luck with your rock hard abs, I'm going for that one too!
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Sure thing - so far $175. But I've saved some money by cooking more.
The deal I'm trying to get at though is that I've been cooking my food instead of eating alot of raw food and its had a crazy wonderful impact on my digestion, and ability to sleep.
So, you've paid $175 for cooking classes? Couldn't you have just, I don't know, bought a cookbook?
Really? Now cooking classes are being dissed. As if that's a bad thing?
Not at all. But I don't call my session at Kitchen Kapers a meeting with a nutritionist.
ETA: I'm also not paying that much money for them!0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
I agree. My digestion has been much better. And seriously, what's up with the Chopra mentioning and subsequent bashing? I never brought him up in my original post.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
And Chopra happens to be the one dude who is the most prolific at disseminating this nonsense.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
Two different studies were posted earlier in the thread, and (not surprisingly) have been complete ignored by the supporters.And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
The thing is, basing advice on "dem feelz" is simply not going to pass muster on this site.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
Pseudoscience with no discernible standards or measurable definitions can be easily used to fleece people. That's the reason you see proliferation in western locations. It's money.
The problem, I think, is that you took a path towards improvement and, when you realized that improvement, are now crediting it to ayurveda when, in reality, all you did was start eating better. You could have done that without the woo and still feel as good as you do now. And you'd have $175 more dollars in your pocket (minus the $19.99 for the cookbook, of course).0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
Two different studies were posted earlier in the thread, and (not surprisingly) have been complete ignored by the supporters.And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
The thing is, basing advice on "dem feelz" is simply not going to pass muster on this site.
no, i get that. maybe it's helpful to someone.
I'll check out the studies, I'm trying to work and not get sucked into this so didn't read every post, was really commenting on the first person.
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Don't kid yourself. I can't be banned from real life. If I posted what I really thought of some of these posts, you'd be looking at a "user banned, please carry on" avatar on my posts.margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
You only see relatively polite me post here.
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So long as a balanced, nutritious diet is eaten, an Ayurvedic diet will not hurt you.
Some people like bland, tasteless, lukewarm food.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
Pseudoscience with no discernible standards or measurable definitions can be easily used to fleece people. That's the reason you see proliferation in western locations. It's money.
The problem, I think, is that you took a path towards improvement and, when you realized that improvement, are now crediting it to ayurveda when, in reality, all you did was start eating better. You could have done that without the woo and still feel as good as you do now. And you'd have $175 more dollars in your pocket (minus the $19.99 for the cookbook, of course).
I agree about the fleecing and all the new agey stuff making money. I see it everywhere, and it's a slippery slope. But I don't think $175 is much to pay someone to totally jumpstart my digestion. I don't think I would have figured it out on my own. I'm trying to work so don't want to totally go into it here but woudl be happy to write you a message explaining why it's specific to me and why i think it helped. I agree that of course it's better to just, well, eat better but there were some things that weren't so obvious as that going on, and had to do with me, my history and my physical makeup. I woudn't have gotten there on my own, and I was already eating extremely healthy, just not the right things for my body and it was giving my stomach a hard time.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »hi, I see you have posted something that sets off a bunch of (the same) people who love to call everyone else trolls! just ignore it.
I've been consulting with an ayurvedic nutritionist for about three months now and it has had a radical impact on my digestion. Would love to have a real discussion but just try to be entertained by these people. If they met you in person they would have a hard time being this rude.
I'm a former competitive athlete (and I had psuedomembraneous intercolitis earlier in my life), so I've tried everything, this is the first thing that has really helped my digestion. Also Deepak Chopra kinda has nothing to do with it. He's one dude.
Right, @WildePillar I noticed that a lot of people's only contribution to the discussion was to bash Deepak Chopra, hardly an indicator of a breadth of knowledge on the subject of Ayurveda.
What about those who posted...you know...real science showing dangerously high levels of toxic heavy metals in many of the treatments?
ETA: Not to mention the complete lack of ANY sort of scientific evidence showing positive effects (helpful hint - personal anecdotes =/= scientific evidence)
what are these treatments? ayurvedic eating in my experience doesn't involve treatments?
And yes, I'm talking from my experience. I'm definitely not a scientist, and obviously tests are important to pay attention to. I often feel on these forums that folks are really cherry-picking these tests as I see western doctors in LA where I live (and in Austin TX, and New York city where I used to live) that ascribed to acupuncture, ayurveda, yoga etc. It's not that far out folks!
In short, I feel better (personally, again not a doctor), and thought that experience could be helpful for this woman.
Pseudoscience with no discernible standards or measurable definitions can be easily used to fleece people. That's the reason you see proliferation in western locations. It's money.
The problem, I think, is that you took a path towards improvement and, when you realized that improvement, are now crediting it to ayurveda when, in reality, all you did was start eating better. You could have done that without the woo and still feel as good as you do now. And you'd have $175 more dollars in your pocket (minus the $19.99 for the cookbook, of course).
I agree about the fleecing and all the new agey stuff making money. I see it everywhere, and it's a slippery slope. But I don't think $175 is much to pay someone to totally jumpstart my digestion. I don't think I would have figured it out on my own. I'm trying to work so don't want to totally go into it here but woudl be happy to write you a message explaining why it's specific to me and why i think it helped. I agree that of course it's better to just, well, eat better but there were some things that weren't so obvious as that going on, and had to do with me, my history and my physical makeup. I woudn't have gotten there on my own, and I was already eating extremely healthy, just not the right things for my body and it was giving my stomach a hard time.
Nah, don't sweat it. You're fine. Sometimes we need a kick in the crotch, and if it comes from a shady place but leads to good results, no worries. I just argue with this stuff because some people don't approach it like you do and instead assign it these magical Indian properties.
ETA: And because some of the more extreme practices can actually hurt you, as pointed out in this thread.0
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