I can't do a freaking squat
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Ah, totally different then.0
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arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...0 -
arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...
I didn't say it lol
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arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...
I didn't say it lol
Just watch the cross fit games...0 -
arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...
I didn't say it lol
Just watch the cross fit games...
I can't0 -
The best thing you can do is to stop trying to prevent your knees from going past your toes. Note that in the front squat, knees go past the toes all the time. Just from a joint stress standpoint it doesn't make sense that "knees past the toes" is bad in a back squat and totally fine in a front squat and yet it happens frequently in a front squat due to the requirement of maintaining an upright torso.
Additionally, if you WERE attempting to prevent the knees from going past the toes it would be easier to accomplish in a low bar back squat position because the low bar placement allows you to push your hips further back. But having said that I still wouldn't worry about it.0 -
arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...
A lot of people in general have horrible form.
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3dogsrunning wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...
A lot of people in general have horrible form.
Honestly I've only actually seen a few crossfitters but the ones that I have seen have decent form compared to people who haven't been trained at all. That's certainly not going to apply to everyone but it's my observation so far.0 -
Not to be "that guy" but here's a clip of a recent squat and you'll see the knees going past the toes. I do think it's important to attempt to prevent excessive knee buckling/caving/valgus (knees should ideally not buckle inwards).
If you think about squat mechanics and what has to happen at each joint while you watch this, you'll note:
If I were to keep my knees from going past my toes, by default my hips would have to be further back. Since the bar ideally needs to be over the midfoot, then this means I'd also have to lean forward more at the waist. For ME, this causes low back pain and an incredibly crappy squat.0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...
A lot of people in general have horrible form.
Honestly I've only actually seen a few crossfitters but the ones that I have seen have decent form compared to people who haven't been trained at all. That's certainly not going to apply to everyone but it's my observation so far.
I based that opinion by watching cross fit games...I guess I should have said some and not a lot0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »arditarose wrote: »Keep a straight back, and the top of your head pointing skyward, so straight neck and facing forward. Feet should be hip width apart and pointed forward parallel to each other. Hope that helps, also I generally put my hands into a fist formation in front of me to keep centre
Sorry but that is horrible advice.
Your head should be forward or slightly down and feet should be turned out about 45 degrees or slightly less...
I learnt from my coach, who also coaches in the olympics...
What/who does he coach for the olympics?
It's a woman and she coaches Skeleton mainly
Ah, so not olympic lifting.
No, but obviously she's coaching in the olympics for a reason... Plus, I have a girl coaching me who was in the crossfit games. Anyways, I don't care, I feel like you guys are over exaggerating, so that's how I was taught to do a deep squat, and that's all
But what she coaches in the olympics has nothing to do with squatting. And then there's cross fit. It's okay, that's how you squat. It's just generally not great advice.
A lot of cross fitters have horrible form...
A lot of people in general have horrible form.
Touché0 -
`Not to be "that guy" but here's a clip of a recent squat and you'll see the knees going past the toes. I do think it's important to attempt to prevent excessive knee buckling/caving/valgus (knees should ideally not buckle inwards).
If you think about squat mechanics and what has to happen at each joint while you watch this, you'll note:
If I were to keep my knees from going past my toes, by default my hips would have to be further back. Since the bar ideally needs to be over the midfoot, then this means I'd also have to lean forward more at the waist. For ME, this causes low back pain and an incredibly crappy squat.
Just two reps? Looks like you had 3-4 easily.0 -
With many athletes, ankle mobility is an issue since it can effect the entire kinetic chain. I really like this guys video, see if it helps and good luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZYo1gLFv_c&index=11&list=FLeAdOJU2Wfk-_PLK_KFrKjA 0 -
`Not to be "that guy" but here's a clip of a recent squat and you'll see the knees going past the toes. I do think it's important to attempt to prevent excessive knee buckling/caving/valgus (knees should ideally not buckle inwards).
If you think about squat mechanics and what has to happen at each joint while you watch this, you'll note:
If I were to keep my knees from going past my toes, by default my hips would have to be further back. Since the bar ideally needs to be over the midfoot, then this means I'd also have to lean forward more at the waist. For ME, this causes low back pain and an incredibly crappy squat.
Just two reps? Looks like you had 3-4 easily.
I pegged that as an RPE 9-9.5 in my head. I think I had one grindy rep left in me but I don't think 2 more would have happened.0 -
Practice against a wall. Wall squats. If you're a member of a gym, use the cables to help your form. You use them to lower yourself into the proper position and stay there for a few seconds. This is what I am doing because my squats need help too because of my knees. Just a suggestion.0
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`Not to be "that guy" but here's a clip of a recent squat and you'll see the knees going past the toes. I do think it's important to attempt to prevent excessive knee buckling/caving/valgus (knees should ideally not buckle inwards).
If you think about squat mechanics and what has to happen at each joint while you watch this, you'll note:
If I were to keep my knees from going past my toes, by default my hips would have to be further back. Since the bar ideally needs to be over the midfoot, then this means I'd also have to lean forward more at the waist. For ME, this causes low back pain and an incredibly crappy squat.
Just two reps? Looks like you had 3-4 easily.
I pegged that as an RPE 9-9.5 in my head. I think I had one grindy rep left in me but I don't think 2 more would have happened.
All relative anyway. Everyone always tells me that my 9's are 8's etc... Nice gloots0 -
Anyway OP, knees tracking over toes is normal.0
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Nice article from Bret Contreras on bodyweight squats to help form.
https://www.t-nation.com/training/tip-do-a-deep-bodyweight-squat-daily0 -
Try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5zrloYWwxw
You can start out by doing goblet squats. That'll teach you how you your body moves in a squat. Once you have that down, move up to the barbell0 -
Ankle and hip mobility can really hurt your squat form. I'm not getting into the whole knees over toes thing. Say what you want, but if your knees are going way past your toes (with or without your heals coming up) you are asking for knee problems. Granted there may be some people who do to length of bones, etc. just can't do it, but I'm guessing most people whose knees go (well) past their toes have a form issue.
I would Google ankle and hip mobility and watch some You Tube videos on exercises and stretching you can do to help. Kelly Starrett has some great mobility videos.
Also, when squatting, what happens first? Do your knees go forward or does your butt go back? If you're not leading with your butt, that could be the problem. Think "sitting on the toilet".0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx0zcfR3Bqo
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