1 stone to loose by Feb the 1st.
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I don't think I saw the reason for the time limit, but I did skim. Just wanted to share my personal opinion:
I completely get wanting to start out with quick loss, get pumped for being awesome, and then level out and continue on. It's a great theory, and tons of programs and people try it out (hence why "cleanses" are so popular). The problem I found is that I suck at rules, and eating very little makes me hangry (angry because I'm hungry). Seriously, my fiance will look at me when I start getting really annoyed at everything and ask if I need to eat something. I try to stick with a plan, and then I end up binging, feeling horrible about myself, and I give up.
I've done it over and over and over again. And one day, it clicked (when enough people on this site yelled at me). It doesn't have to be fast, there don't have to be rules, and there isn't a time limit. I need to make sustainable changes so that I don't feel like there's a "wagon" to fall off of repeatedly. And I'm really working on my feelings when I do have high days (my holidays this year were ridiculous). Self loathing does nothing.
As someone else pointed out (but you may have misunderstood), to lose 4lbs of fat per week, you would need to eat 2000 calories less than you burn each and every day. That is VERY low. And really, it's not going to be sustainable.
I would recommend setting MFP to lose two pounds a week. You will likely lose scale weight faster than that because you will lose some water weight. You may not lose the full stone, but you can make a really good start; and you will keep going.
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bethclabburn wrote: »Wow I'm not arguing with you all.
I disagree completely.
Of course I would take the advice of a qualified doctor over people that google.
There's a difference between people who go and study for 4/5 years and people who go and look on Google and then think they are just as qualified.
I believe I am initialed to my own option here.
You'd all tell me my diet is too low and wrong etc. But I feel healthier, fitter, I've lost weight, my skin and hair is much better.
I appreciate you voicing your opinion, tbh my doctor is an idiot. Yes what she has suggested would work, but i would loose weight at such a fast rate, i also wouldn't be very happy doing this, as i still like to have cheat meals, go out with my friends for drinks ect ect.. which she didn't take into account.
I honestly believe as long as the stuff your putting into your body is healthy and clean you will see a difference.
I've not set myself any time of long term goal, i just want to be able to feel comfortable with my own body and not feel uncomfortable and self conscious. I'm perfectly happy with what i'm doing.. its clearly working i've manged to keep 33lbs off so far, i'm still going and i'm consistently loosing weight. The doctor was wrong, and most of these people on here think i want a quick fix.. which is incorrect. They just don't understand, not because their stupid, but honestly because they just want to find fault and come across intelligent.. If you actually read what my first post says. It is literally the most harmless post, very honest and motivational, just was looking for some friendly tips and tricks, not to be judged and made to feel like an idiot.
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bethclabburn wrote: »Wow I'm not arguing with you all.
I disagree completely.
Of course I would take the advice of a qualified doctor over people that google.
There's a difference between people who go and study for 4/5 years and people who go and look on Google and then think they are just as qualified.
I believe I am initialed to my own option here.
You'd all tell me my diet is too low and wrong etc. But I feel healthier, fitter, I've lost weight, my skin and hair is much better.
That's like honestly saying a person with a doctorate in applied physics, would be more qualified than a chef who was no culinary training but has been cooking for numerous years and learned through trial and error and applied what he/she learned throughout the years because of that one cooking class the applied physics Doctor took his freshman year to teach a cooking class.
Logic fail...
Not so much a logic fail as the fact that it was never in this thread to start with.0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »If my GP gave me the "diet" plan cited by the OP, I'd laugh. When they told me to do it for the rest of my life, I'd laugh all the way out the door on my way to find a new doctor.
I honestly was so shocked, i laughed and said to her, you cant be serious. She was totally serious. Sad really...
So we agree that you know better than your gp
So what you going to do now?
I'm going to do exactly what i said - Loose 1 stone in 4 weeks... nothing has changed.
I regret making this post and I've learnt a valuable lesson from it.
What is it you find so disheartening about people encouraging you to have more realistic goals that are attainable and sustainable in the long run? How will you feel when Feb 1 comes around if you haven't lost a stone?
Why are you so sure 1 stone in 4 weeks isnt realistic... 1 stone to you may be significant, when you have 10-12 stone to loose... its not that much.0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »Wiseandcurious wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »2lbsbrianpperkins wrote: »What weekly rate of loss did you put in your MFP settings for a 1580 calorie per day goal?
2lbs - its the most u can do ...
Yet you want to lose at twice that rate. What you are saying you want to do requires a deficit of 2000 calories below tour maintenance level ... an intake of under 600 calories per day. That is why people are noting your goal is unrealistic ... it is supporting HEALTHY weight loss, not foolish and unsafe approaches.
I just felt the bold part needed repeating... What more anyone can say is beyond me...
I actually don't even understand why you've commented on this post, you've have nothing to say that is actually informative or helpful. I may not agree with what the others are saying but at least they are talking about something.. whether i agree with it or not is invalid.
It was a bad idea posting this discussion - my fault, didn't think it through
Let me explain more fully my point now that I have more time and don't have a kid to prepare for school.
The bolded part I was repeating is according to me the key to the whole discussion - what you are attempting to do requires a really, really high deficit. More than is healthy for you and more than is reasonable. Once the extent of that deificit, and what it would truely entail if you could create it - in terms of hunger and poor nutrition and all their consequences - sinks in for you, I really don't think there is much one can say to convince you. That is why I repeated it - to my dry logical mind that was (and is) the best argument.
What is helpful and informative to you is up to you to say, and whether we attempt to give you our honest and well-meaning opinion at tne risk of making you angry is up to us, even though some express them better than others. You actually got so many responses because people care. Including me. And because too many people fixate on losing an unhealthy amount of weight in an unrealistic time frame and the results are always so sad.
I do hope you don't rage-quit the forums and I would feel sad if I though I had contributed to your doing so. There is a lot to learn here and there are many inspiring success stories on this site. Most of the people who now have the rocking bodies and lift heavy or run races and have been maintaining for years seem to have done it slowly and reasonably, one step at a time - there might be some exceptions.0 -
Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »If my GP gave me the "diet" plan cited by the OP, I'd laugh. When they told me to do it for the rest of my life, I'd laugh all the way out the door on my way to find a new doctor.
I honestly was so shocked, i laughed and said to her, you cant be serious. She was totally serious. Sad really...
So we agree that you know better than your gp
So what you going to do now?
I'm going to do exactly what i said - Loose 1 stone in 4 weeks... nothing has changed.
I regret making this post and I've learnt a valuable lesson from it.
What is it you find so disheartening about people encouraging you to have more realistic goals that are attainable and sustainable in the long run? How will you feel when Feb 1 comes around if you haven't lost a stone?
Why are you so sure 1 stone in 4 weeks isnt realistic... 1 stone to you may be significant, when you have 10-12 stone to loose... its not that much.
The math has been pointed out several times.
14 lbs in 4 weeks means losing 1/2 lb per day. Assuming your aim is to primarily lose fat, that equates to a calorie deficit of 1750-2000 calories per day.
I don't know what your caloric burn is on a given day, but let's say it's probably somewhere around 2800 calories. That means your diet would need to be a total intake of somewhere around 800-1000 calories per day to achieve the calorie deficit.
Eating a prolonged (and yes, 4 weeks for this purpose would be prolonged) diet of that few calories per day is going to leave you short of essential nutrients and energy.0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?
They do not have a qualification for nutritional advice. What's so hard to understand? They do not learn about nutrition any more than a high school student.0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?
Many of us also have important pieces of paper that represent equal amounts of nutrition training.0 -
OP, I am really sorry that you feel picked on and discouraged. I really am. I think it is great that you were motivated and cheerful before and I'm sad that this thread has changed that.
But please realize that the people who are responding are doing so because they WANT TO SEE YOU SUCCEED. They really do. There is just concern that your goal and timeline is not the healthiest way to do so.
Many people have done what you want to do, and many people have gained it all back. Many of the people responding have been on the endless yoyo of up and down, and are trying to help you do it in a way that is manageable, sustainable and enjoyable.
In the end, you do what you need to do, but I really ask that you not dismiss the comments here without stopping and thinking about them.
I know when I get criticism, I shut down and get angry... but if I stop and think about it... a lot of times I realize it's because that criticism has an element of truth I need to hear.
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Slimdownmb wrote: »My personal note: I Iost a lot of weight once in a very fast manner like you're attempting. It did not go well for me. It came back. After losing it again, more slowly with realistic goals, I've maintained for years. Good luck.
Sorry but what?
1 stone IS NOT a lot of weight to loose when your 20 stone - and 4 WEEKS... is not a that bad. - My main aim is just to give myself a boost, and i'm sorry but the majority of posts on this discussion has plummeted my mood - i was motivated, confident and extremely happy this morning. I totally regret my decision to write on here and try to obtain a few simple tips and tricks.
wasn't worth it
It was just a personal note. I'm sorry that you've taken other people's cautions as attacks. I'm sorry that your motivation has been affected by the well meaning words of others.
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bethclabburn wrote: »Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?
I hold a master's degree in communications. That doesn't mean that the 3 credit hours of history I took makes me more qualified to talk about the Civil War than my grandfather who has no degree but has been studying it extensively for over a decade.0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »If my GP gave me the "diet" plan cited by the OP, I'd laugh. When they told me to do it for the rest of my life, I'd laugh all the way out the door on my way to find a new doctor.
I honestly was so shocked, i laughed and said to her, you cant be serious. She was totally serious. Sad really...
So we agree that you know better than your gp
So what you going to do now?
I'm going to do exactly what i said - Loose 1 stone in 4 weeks... nothing has changed.
I regret making this post and I've learnt a valuable lesson from it.
What is it you find so disheartening about people encouraging you to have more realistic goals that are attainable and sustainable in the long run? How will you feel when Feb 1 comes around if you haven't lost a stone?
Why are you so sure 1 stone in 4 weeks isnt realistic... 1 stone to you may be significant, when you have 10-12 stone to loose... its not that much.
You want to lose a pound every other day.
Can you, being absolutely honest with yourself, sustain eating 2000 calories under your requirements in a healthy way? Do you know how much you burn in a day and how little you would need to eat to achieve this?0 -
Slimbdownmp I think you are taking the earlier comments the wrong way. Think about where you want to be this time next year- do you want to be at the same weight (having lost a stone by feb but then having put it all back on due to binge eating after starving for jan) Or would you rather be two stone lighter having slowly lost a few pounds each month in a healthy sustainable way? Crash dieting is not healthy in the long term. Healthy eating and regular exercise should be your lifestyle goal instead of this low cal diet you seem to want.0
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bethclabburn wrote: »Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?
So, if I took the same nutrition class in college while obtaining a BA in English Lit, would you say I'm equally qualified?
I asked about how much you eat because I suspect you eat a dangerously low amount of calories, which is making you white knight the OP as a defense mechanism. Prove me wrong.0 -
Let me ask you a sincere question.
If you lost the stone in 2 months instead of one month - would you be disappointed, or would you be happy that you lost the weight?0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?
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bethclabburn wrote: »Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?
I hold a master's degree in communications. That doesn't mean that the 3 credit hours of history I took makes me more qualified to talk about the Civil War than my grandfather who has no degree but has been studying it extensively for over a decade.
Great example, thanks.0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »Technically I am right as they have the qualification. The all important piece of paper. In a job world it's qualifications first... That's what I was always told anyways.
What does it matter what I'm eating a day?
I hold a master's degree in communications. That doesn't mean that the 3 credit hours of history I took makes me more qualified to talk about the Civil War than my grandfather who has no degree but has been studying it extensively for over a decade.
I had a class on electrical circuits in my Computer Science studies. I think I'm gonna go tell electricians how to do their job because obviously I'm more qualified than them.0 -
Did you consider there is a reason why MFP doesn't have a 4 pound per week rate of loss?0
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Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »If my GP gave me the "diet" plan cited by the OP, I'd laugh. When they told me to do it for the rest of my life, I'd laugh all the way out the door on my way to find a new doctor.
I honestly was so shocked, i laughed and said to her, you cant be serious. She was totally serious. Sad really...
So we agree that you know better than your gp
So what you going to do now?
I'm going to do exactly what i said - Loose 1 stone in 4 weeks... nothing has changed.
I regret making this post and I've learnt a valuable lesson from it.
Well, you said 3 weeks before.
What happens if you don't?0 -
Ok you are all correct I apologise to you all. Obviously I didn't realise you are all highly qualified in nutrition...
When I return to the UK I'll be asking my GP about all this.
I've come to realise the forums are only helpful if it's what you believe in and any other way is wrong. You're all quite quick to judge and tell someone their goals are wrong.
This app is great for logging it's a shame I can't say the same for the 'support' from the community.0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »
Sorry but what?
1 stone IS NOT a lot of weight to loose when your 20 stone - and 4 WEEKS... is not a that bad. - My main aim is just to give myself a boost, and i'm sorry but the majority of posts on this discussion has plummeted my mood - i was motivated, confident and extremely happy this morning. I totally regret my decision to write on here and try to obtain a few simple tips and tricks.
wasn't worth it
Well, if you take one thing from your post, that should be that there are 'no simple tips and tricks' that will help you lose weight super fast, that are actually safe and not just water weight.
And someone already said upthread that 3 pounds per week while you are still in the obese category is probably okay. It's the jump to 4 that has everyone upset.
And the 2000 calories you thought someone was saying that you should eat per day? No, that is just showing a lack of understanding on your part. He was saying that 4 pounds per week requires a DEFICIT of 2000 calories per day from your maintenance calories. (For every pound you want to lose per week, it requires a deficit of 500 calories per day. 3500/7 x 4=2000)
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bethclabburn wrote: »Ok you are all correct I apologise to you all. Obviously I didn't realise you are all highly qualified in nutrition...
When I return to the UK I'll be asking my GP about all this.
I've come to realise the forums are only helpful if it's what you believe in and any other way is wrong. You're all quite quick to judge and tell someone their goals are wrong.
This app is great for logging it's a shame I can't say the same for the 'support' from the community.
Apology accepted! So, I missed where you answered the question about how many calories you consume.0 -
bethclabburn wrote: »Ok you are all correct I apologise to you all. Obviously I didn't realise you are all highly qualified in nutrition...
When I return to the UK I'll be asking my GP about all this.
I've come to realise the forums are only helpful if it's what you believe in and any other way is wrong. You're all quite quick to judge and tell someone their goals are wrong.
This app is great for logging it's a shame I can't say the same for the 'support' from the community.
Rather than asking just your GP... how about ask your GP and then ask a nutritionist. See how in line they are. Some GPs are better than others, some more knowledgeable than others, and some keep up with the information instead of letting it die shortly after they were tested on it and passed.
I was phenomenal at advanced calculus in University, but I doubt I could do a simple derivation right now. I still claim my degree in math... but my ability is significantly reduced some 20 years later.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »
Sorry but what?
1 stone IS NOT a lot of weight to loose when your 20 stone - and 4 WEEKS... is not a that bad. - My main aim is just to give myself a boost, and i'm sorry but the majority of posts on this discussion has plummeted my mood - i was motivated, confident and extremely happy this morning. I totally regret my decision to write on here and try to obtain a few simple tips and tricks.
wasn't worth it
Well, if you take one thing from your post, that should be that there are 'no simple tips and tricks' that will help you lose weight super fast, that are actually safe and not just water weight.
And someone already said upthread that 3 pounds per week while you are still in the obese category is probably okay. It's the jump to 4 that has everyone upset.
And the 2000 calories you thought someone was saying that you should eat per day? No, that is just showing a lack of understanding on your part. He was saying that 4 pounds per week requires a DEFICIT of 2000 calories per day from your maintenance calories. (For every pound you want to lose per week, it requires a deficit of 500 calories per day. 3500/7 x 4=2000)
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This, and a quick TDEE estimate that'd probably be between TDEE-60 to 80%, which is normally quite inadvisable.
I would consider that support, but I guess some don't.0 -
At one point in my life I was a residential property manager, I knew a great deal about tenancy law as I had to work within its parameters every single day for years. I went to work for a company that had in house solicitor, highly qualified in law, better qualified than me you would say? Well guess what, he didn't specialise in residential tenancy laws and I had to correct some of his mistakes pertaining to the management of giving notices etc to our tenants. So I have no qualifications but was far more specialised in a field because I worked with it every day whereas the person with the law degree only had a broad overview and gladly took my advice (with his own further research to satisfy himself I knew my stuff).
So it's the same with a GP with a broad overview of medical qualifications vs someone who, in the pursuit of being as knowledgeable as possible has very specialist knowledge on diet and weight loss, can be the one more informed and better to take advice from. I have even gone to my GP with my own research and medication recommendations because she isn't specialised in mental illness and is open to patient insight and intelligent research by me. Not all doctors are created equal, it's why they do different things, psychiatrists, paediatricians, GPs etc.
One qualification and MD after a name doesn't make them all knowing. Just looking at the meal plan should show you that. It's nutritionally lacking and would result in a very poorly patient if by some miracle they did manage to comply for years on end.0 -
Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »Slimdownmb wrote: »If my GP gave me the "diet" plan cited by the OP, I'd laugh. When they told me to do it for the rest of my life, I'd laugh all the way out the door on my way to find a new doctor.
I honestly was so shocked, i laughed and said to her, you cant be serious. She was totally serious. Sad really...
So we agree that you know better than your gp
So what you going to do now?
I'm going to do exactly what i said - Loose 1 stone in 4 weeks... nothing has changed.
I regret making this post and I've learnt a valuable lesson from it.
What is it you find so disheartening about people encouraging you to have more realistic goals that are attainable and sustainable in the long run? How will you feel when Feb 1 comes around if you haven't lost a stone?
Why are you so sure 1 stone in 4 weeks isnt realistic... 1 stone to you may be significant, when you have 10-12 stone to loose... its not that much.
In 12 weeks using a VLCD of ~800 cals these women lost about 10% of body weight, but weren't quite as heavy as 20 stone.
You could discuss a VLCD with your GP, they are a recognised short term intervention in the NHS.0 -
That's a good study
Average starting weigh 105kg (231lbs/ 16 stone 6)
Average Loss 10.5kg (23lbs)
Over 12 weeks ...average weekly weight loss = 1.9lbs
On a Medically supervised VLCD
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That's a good study
Average starting weigh 105kg (231lbs/ 16 stone 6)
Average Loss 10.5kg (23lbs)
Over 12 weeks ...average weekly weight loss = 1.9lbs
On a Medically supervised VLCD
Wow. My first 12 weeks on MFP (after I'd already lost my first 10, so none of the usual big water weight drop), I lost 30 lbs, no VLCD. Sure glad I didn't do any silly VLCD.0
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