Keto diet

Wouldn't some vegetables be more important for your health and wellbeing than fruits? I always thought fruits were much more optional for a healthy life than vegetables.

Brocoli spinach cucumber very low carbs and nutritious and will break the borderm of pure meat

^ my cousin makes bulletproof coffee on keto- adds coconut oil/butter. still creamy but high fat. I don't really know what to think of keto as shes focusing on only doing high fat, more so than protein, which imo, cant be good for organs.

Clare0116 wrote: »

I can't give up my 2x daily cuppa and have tried Arla Lactose Free whole milk' the lowest carb milk I can find. At only 2 teaspoons per cup, I'm hoping it won't stall my keto start? Ideas please ☕

meekmoe85 wrote: »

6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.

Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.

If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:

(1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.

(2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.

(3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.

(4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).

lemurcat12 wrote: »

meekmoe85 wrote: »

6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.

Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.

If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:

(1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.

(2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.

(3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.

(4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).

I'm generally of this opinion, too. After watching someone try (and fail) many times to do keto, I've learned a few important facts:

- Reddit users have a screwed up definition of "healthy" (saying this because the Keto Reddit forum seems to be where a lot of Ketoers go for information)

- Keto flu sucks.

- The amount of grease one creates from all that HF cooking can really saturate a kitchen. We're still in the process of having to scrape the congealed fat off of our appliances and light fixtures. It got everywhere.


That being said, while the person I witnessed was able to stay on plan, he did lose weight. I've also heard it can be a life-changing diet for people with seizure disorders. Just... definitely not the diet for the majority, IMO.

lemurcat12 wrote: »

meekmoe85 wrote: »

6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.

Out of curiosity, how is this a debate thread? Do you wish to debate the merits of the keto diet? If you want support, there's a good low carb group, and the Motivation forum.

If you want to discuss keto, here's my view:

(1) Not necessary to lose weight or superior to other methods, and is not for everyone or even most people.

(2) Can be a great choice for people who find that they are more likely to have cravings or difficulty being satisfied on a higher carb or even moderate carb diet (I don't understand how this is, so it's obviously not for me) or for someone who simply prefers high fat foods to most carbs.

(3) Is often tried before someone tries just changing their carb choices, and if someone is eating a low nutrient diet and their carb choices are mostly sweets or refined grains or soda or the like and they don't eat many vegetables, they should probably fix that before deciding carbs are the problem.

(4) Can be healthy (although no more so than other diets), but is only healthy if someone makes good food choices and doesn't just lower carbs. Those good food choices frequently will include carbs -- specifically, I am skeptical that people are better off ignoring the dietary advice to eat a good amount and variety of vegetables (I do know there are some rare digestive issues that would be an exception).

Wondering this too. If it isnt meant for debate, I can move it.

meekmoe85 wrote: »

6 days no carbs. Cold turkey. High fat and protein diet is working wonders. Eventually, slowly introduce fruits back in and that's all you need.

No carbs?

Hmm.

And if I were going to "introduce things back" to a keto diet I'd start with vegetables.

Are you sure you've read up on a keto diet?

Maybe the OP checked her crystal ball and determined that any thread with "keto" in the title is going to end up resulting in debate so she just started her thread here rather than subjecting it to being moved later, in entirety or in pieces...

mattyc772014 wrote: »

I like to see this debated. Recently had a friend switch to keto. He is a nutrition science major and bodybuilder. I was under the impression that the studies say at the end of the day keto makes no difference. In fact low fat diet did a little better in fat loss. CICO is king then macros.

Either way works, so I've heard.

I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!

Have you tried cashew milk or full fat Coconut milk from a can?

mrbgraziano wrote: »

I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!

I have a friend who went on the Keto diet last year. She is an example of what psulemon was talking about. She has a bad set of genes for the diet - and ended up with a cholesterol level of more than 300.

Like I said though - that's not the diet itself. That's a likely combination of the diet with genetics. Even with the controversy of dietary fat and its relationship with cholesterol, her doctor pulled her off Keto immediately and put her on LFHC, with mostly greens and veggies. Her cholesterol is now normalizing, but she's still working on it.

mrbgraziano wrote: »

I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663 was a keto diet study without weight loss.

Lower triglycerides (-33%) and a trend to higher HDL (+11.5%; P = 0.066) which is fairly typical of keto diets studies.

Individual cholesterol responses :-

psulemon wrote: »

senecarr wrote: »

yarwell wrote: »

mrbgraziano wrote: »

I am curious about the effects of keto diets on cholesterol levels. Any insight or literature welcomed!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12097663 was a keto diet study without weight loss.

Lower triglycerides (-33%) and a trend to higher HDL (+11.5%; P = 0.066) which is fairly typical of keto diets studies.

Individual cholesterol responses :-

Protein percentage appeared to double. I wonder how much impact that had on HDL. Interesting that total and LDL remained neutral.

One thing I would find interesting is if they would provide similar nutrition intervention for the control group. Meaning, that they maintain their macronutrients but improved the quality of food. Because with keto, their diet was very high heavy in MUFA and PUFAs.

Oh and funded by Atkins, lol.

I hate when studies get clearly biased by the people paying for them. People walk away from it assuming all research is biased and can be dismissed. /rant