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Anti-inflammatory foods
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i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.
Yes, I think inflammation could be related to an allergic reaction, and that can be highly individual. Migraine sufferers also may be triggered by some known foods and not others. I see the current wisdom is to NOT try and avoid all possible triggers, but if a food is a known culprit, avoid that.
One way to figure out what is a problem for you is to start with a very bland FODMAP diet and then slowly incorporate foods week by week back in to your diet. If you have a bad reaction one week, you have a clue what food you may need to avoid.
I figured out I had an allergy to almonds (but no other nuts) by meticulously logging and reviewing my diet. My (family doctor) sister warned me that a food allergy (hives, for me) can show up a couple days after ingestion. So I would have to review everything I ate over the last couple days to see if there was anything new or different I was eating.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.
Yes, I think inflammation could be related to an allergic reaction, and that can be highly individual. Migraine sufferers also may be triggered by some known foods and not others. I see the current wisdom is to NOT try and avoid all possible triggers, but if a food is a known culprit, avoid that.
One way to figure out what is a problem for you is to start with a very bland FODMAP diet and then slowly incorporate foods week by week back in to your diet. If you have a bad reaction one week, you have a clue what food you may need to avoid.
I figured out I had an allergy to almonds (but no other nuts) by meticulously logging and reviewing my diet. My (family doctor) sister warned me that a food allergy (hives, for me) can show up a couple days after ingestion. So I would have to review everything I ate over the last couple days to see if there was anything new or different I was eating.
Yes, i know i have a few food allergies (hazelnuts and almonds which cause hives and possibly some melons which cause itchiness in my mouth and throat) but i've been really wanting to avoid doing an elimination diet.
This is mostly because I am a lifelong vegetarian, and i feel like it cuts out a huge part of my already restrictive diet. I guess really, I should plan accordingly and see what happens.
The thing that REALLY sucks, is that even if a food is tolerated well (stomach wise), It may still be a trigger for my rosacea which means I must be on the lookout for both. I just wish i could go to the doctor, have them prick me a few times, and be like "Here's what you can and can't eat". >_< I don't want to put in the work of eliminating. /lazy
But it is causing a slew of problems for me like: really bad GERD, constant mucous in back of throat, dry skin, dry eyes, dry mouth, dry hair, brittle nails, skin which breaks out in hives often, flushing/blushing with temperature changes like cold to hot, etc. You'd think this would be enough of a motivator.
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My experience is that causes of inflammation are individual. And if you are having chronic issues, I would recommend an elimination diet. I used The Plan, http://lyngenet.com/. It is set up like a scientific experiment where all the variables are controlled.
For myself, I found out I am allergic to dairy and most nuts. Other causes of inflammation in order of severity are sesame seeds, buckwheat, pineapple, potato and eggplant, legumes (except peanuts), wheat (not gluten), citrus, corn. Other items that don't cause other symptoms, but do cause inflammation are fresh tomatoes and peppers, cucumbers, radishes turkey and some fish. Other things I have tested that don't cause inflammation most grains, eggs, most wheat relatives, butter, cream (unless I drink too much), every type of meat except turkey, veggies and fruit that aren't mentioned above.
I am no longer red all of the time, I don't have IBD, my joint pain is controlled, and my hair and skin look great.
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singingflutelady wrote: »A PI in my department studies the effects of curcurmin (active component) in turmeric in the context of a couple of different cancers, colorectal is his main focus. He's branching out to other diseases.
Unfortunately, while curcurmin definitely has an anti-inflammatory effect both in vivo and in vitro (shown via microarray as a down-regulation of inflammatory pathway transcripts in blood and the tissue cultures tested), you don't get enough curcurmin from the amounts of turmeric eaten in food to do much of anything. Not even if you eat it at almost every meal.
If you take turmeric capsules as supplements, there is a real risk of toxicity from overdose of other components of turmeric. You can get curcurmin supplements. Those would be the better choice, but keep in mind that an anti-inflammatory response is not in all cases a good thing. Anti-inflammatories can also impede the body's ability to fight off disease - inflammation is part of that process.
I know the importance of inflammation but as I said earlier I have Crohn's disease so inflammation is a big problem for me. I will try curcurmin supplements.
I wasn't addressing anyone in particular, there were several posts that mentioned turmeric so I was providing general info.
Just FYI - I do know someone who has very severe Crohn's (son of a friend) and he has not had any luck with any anti-inflammatory he tried. He is doing pretty well on a biologic - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head.0 -
A PI in my department studies the effects of curcurmin (active component) in turmeric in the context of a couple of different cancers, colorectal is his main focus. He's branching out to other diseases.
Unfortunately, while curcurmin definitely has an anti-inflammatory effect both in vivo and in vitro (shown via microarray as a down-regulation of inflammatory pathway transcripts in blood and the tissue cultures tested), you don't get enough curcurmin from the amounts of turmeric eaten in food to do much of anything. Not even if you eat it at almost every meal.
If you take turmeric capsules as supplements, there is a real risk of toxicity from overdose of other components of turmeric. You can get curcurmin supplements. Those would be the better choice, but keep in mind that an anti-inflammatory response is not in all cases a good thing. Anti-inflammatories can also impede the body's ability to fight off disease - inflammation is part of that process.
Indeed. A literature review of saturated fat minimum hypothesized that Paleo's belief that saturated fat is fine because of ancestral levels (whatever that might be) might be misguided. Saturated fat could be pro inflammatory and therefore useful for fighting infections, the more common killer in paleo man.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »A PI in my department studies the effects of curcurmin (active component) in turmeric in the context of a couple of different cancers, colorectal is his main focus. He's branching out to other diseases.
Unfortunately, while curcurmin definitely has an anti-inflammatory effect both in vivo and in vitro (shown via microarray as a down-regulation of inflammatory pathway transcripts in blood and the tissue cultures tested), you don't get enough curcurmin from the amounts of turmeric eaten in food to do much of anything. Not even if you eat it at almost every meal.
If you take turmeric capsules as supplements, there is a real risk of toxicity from overdose of other components of turmeric. You can get curcurmin supplements. Those would be the better choice, but keep in mind that an anti-inflammatory response is not in all cases a good thing. Anti-inflammatories can also impede the body's ability to fight off disease - inflammation is part of that process.
I know the importance of inflammation but as I said earlier I have Crohn's disease so inflammation is a big problem for me. I will try curcurmin supplements.
I wasn't addressing anyone in particular, there were several posts that mentioned turmeric so I was providing general info.
Just FYI - I do know someone who has very severe Crohn's (son of a friend) and he has not had any luck with any anti-inflammatory he tried. He is doing pretty well on a biologic - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head.
Remicade, humira or entyvio? I'm on Remicade. I have had no luck but twillimg to try0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlZrlm9tsrw
I added that link specifically for people suffering with crohns. I love that this post was started. I think a lot of inflammatory issues can be cured through healthy lifestyle. There probably isn't one cure all, I think its finding out your personal triggers. Everyone is different. I am triggered by refined sugars, potatoes and white flours. Busy lifestyles make it hard to really remove everything and introduce things one at a time to truly find your personal triggers but if you have issues that affect everyday living its so worth it. I also think if there is proven majority triggers, that is probably a good place to start.0 -
Tumeric and just black cherry juice
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Organic tart cherry juice and cinnamon.0
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cushman5279 wrote: »Tumeric and just black cherry juice
How? Why?NaturalNancy wrote: »Organic tart cherry juice and cinnamon.
How? Why?
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Alatariel75 wrote: »cushman5279 wrote: »Tumeric and just black cherry juice
How? Why?NaturalNancy wrote: »Organic tart cherry juice and cinnamon.
How? Why?
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Ghee and curcuma mixed together.0
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goldthistime wrote: »
Eureka Alert! Lol, sounds legit
The second one was a joke. 12 subjects and no blinding.0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »
Eureka Alert! Lol, sounds legit
The second one was a joke. 12 subjects and no blinding.
Fair enough. I'll poke around to see if I can find anything more convincing.
ETA Not as easy as I expected and I'm out of time atm. Here is one about sweet cherries:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23343675
I'm interested because we buy tart cherry juice on occasion.
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goldthistime wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »
Eureka Alert! Lol, sounds legit
The second one was a joke. 12 subjects and no blinding.
Fair enough. I'll poke around to see if I can find anything more convincing.
ETA Not as easy as I expected and I'm out of time atm. Here is one about sweet cherries:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23343675
I'm interested because we buy tart cherry juice on occasion.
Better, but still nothing remotely approaching a clinical result.
It's possible that there is an anti-inflammatory component of cherry juice, but it is unlikely to be in a high enough concentration to have any real result.0 -
I'm impressed that you took the time to review. A lot of the discussion points to a 1950's study that I'm having trouble finding the text of: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14776685
What surprises (and disappoints) me is that researchers often cite the anti inflammatory properties of cherries without even providing links, as though it is a known fact, no evidence required.0 -
goldthistime wrote: »I'm impressed that you took the time to review. A lot of the discussion points to a 1950's study that I'm having trouble finding the text of: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14776685
What surprises (and disappoints) me is that researchers often cite the anti inflammatory properties of cherries without even providing links, as though it is a known fact, no evidence required.
When clinicians and researchers sound like Dothraki, there's a problem
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rainbowbow wrote: »i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.
@rainbowbow from my personal experience I think very few things applies to everyone when it comes to diet. In my case when I cut all carbs to less than 50 grams daily and held protein down to 70-90 grams daily and made up the rest of my calories from fats (avoiding any from grains like soybeans/sunflower/etc) my joint and muscle pain of 40 year duration dropped from a subjective 7-8 level to 2-3 in just 30 days. 1.5 years later the pain is still low, I am down 50 pounds and my IBS left after the 1st six month of eating this way and so far has not returned.
A food that is bad for me may be good for another and the other way around.
I am heavy into fried bacon, eggs, sausages, dairy (as in Heavy Whipping Cream, cheeses and the like but not so much in high lactose forms) plus a lot of cocoa and regular coffee along with nuts like almonds, cashews, macadamia. 80% of my 2200-2500 calories daily come from fats hence this example list of foods.
At age 65 currently my health and health markers are better then when I was 45. I do not know why carbs do such a number on my health and others can seem to eat them just fine.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.
@rainbowbow from my personal experience I think very few things applies to everyone when it comes to diet. In my case when I cut all carbs to less than 50 grams daily and held protein down to 70-90 grams daily and made up the rest of my calories from fats (avoiding any from grains like soybeans/sunflower/etc) my joint and muscle pain of 40 year duration dropped from a subjective 7-8 level to 2-3 in just 30 days. 1.5 years later the pain is still low, I am down 50 pounds and my IBS left after the 1st six month of eating this way and so far has not returned.
A food that is bad for me may be good for another and the other way around.
I am heavy into fried bacon, eggs, sausages, dairy (as in Heavy Whipping Cream, cheeses and the like but not so much in high lactose forms) plus a lot of cocoa and regular coffee along with nuts like almonds, cashews, macadamia. 80% of my 2200-2500 calories daily come from fats hence this example list of foods.
At age 65 currently my health and health markers are better then when I was 45. I do not know why carbs do such a number on my health and others can seem to eat them just fine.
You have your health records from 20 years ago?0 -
Out of curiosity, IBS-C or IBS-D? I ask because there's a big difference between the two, and I would think fixing one type using a given method may not work for the other type.GaleHawkins wrote: »
I am down 50 pounds and my IBS left after the 1st six month of eating this way and so far has not returned.rainbowbow wrote: »i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.
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rainbowbow wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.
Yes, I think inflammation could be related to an allergic reaction, and that can be highly individual. Migraine sufferers also may be triggered by some known foods and not others. I see the current wisdom is to NOT try and avoid all possible triggers, but if a food is a known culprit, avoid that.
One way to figure out what is a problem for you is to start with a very bland FODMAP diet and then slowly incorporate foods week by week back in to your diet. If you have a bad reaction one week, you have a clue what food you may need to avoid.
I figured out I had an allergy to almonds (but no other nuts) by meticulously logging and reviewing my diet. My (family doctor) sister warned me that a food allergy (hives, for me) can show up a couple days after ingestion. So I would have to review everything I ate over the last couple days to see if there was anything new or different I was eating.
....This is mostly because I am a lifelong vegetarian, and i feel like it cuts out a huge part of my already restrictive diet. I guess really, I should plan accordingly and see what happens. ... You'd think this would be enough of a motivator.
Keep in mind that an experiment like this would be for a short period of time, and will reap answers. I suggest also that you start putting together a list of foods that do work well. So you can focus on all the things you can eat instead of the ones you can't.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »A PI in my department studies the effects of curcurmin (active component) in turmeric in the context of a couple of different cancers, colorectal is his main focus. He's branching out to other diseases.
Unfortunately, while curcurmin definitely has an anti-inflammatory effect both in vivo and in vitro (shown via microarray as a down-regulation of inflammatory pathway transcripts in blood and the tissue cultures tested), you don't get enough curcurmin from the amounts of turmeric eaten in food to do much of anything. Not even if you eat it at almost every meal.
If you take turmeric capsules as supplements, there is a real risk of toxicity from overdose of other components of turmeric. You can get curcurmin supplements. Those would be the better choice, but keep in mind that an anti-inflammatory response is not in all cases a good thing. Anti-inflammatories can also impede the body's ability to fight off disease - inflammation is part of that process.
I know the importance of inflammation but as I said earlier I have Crohn's disease so inflammation is a big problem for me. I will try curcurmin supplements.
I wasn't addressing anyone in particular, there were several posts that mentioned turmeric so I was providing general info.
Just FYI - I do know someone who has very severe Crohn's (son of a friend) and he has not had any luck with any anti-inflammatory he tried. He is doing pretty well on a biologic - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head.
Remicade, humira or entyvio? I'm on Remicade. I have had no luck but twillimg to try
Definitely not entyvio. I can't remember if he started off on humira and when it didn't help switched to remicade, or vice versa. I think the former.
I remember sending some research to them on thalidomide as a potential treatment, but once the biologic started working well enough that the son can hold a job, they quit looking to improve matters. They had so many things fail, I'm not surprised.0 -
goldthistime wrote: »I'm impressed that you took the time to review. A lot of the discussion points to a 1950's study that I'm having trouble finding the text of: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14776685
What surprises (and disappoints) me is that researchers often cite the anti inflammatory properties of cherries without even providing links, as though it is a known fact, no evidence required.
When clinicians and researchers sound like Dothraki, there's a problem
Argumentum ad Dothrakium0 -
I have inflammatory disorder triggered by medical injuries. Definitely relate to a lot of these posts because my symptoms are also food related. Seems like there is so much conflicting information. And can be influenced by the individual. For example if a person has celiac disease, other food intolerance disorders, etc. Ultimately I have learned I need to watch my own reactions. But, I have two conflicting medical issues because I was injured by two different types of medications. Sorry I haven't been able to add to the debate in the way you were asking. I just find the information to be contradictory and dependant upon the disorders the person has. After my initial antibiotic injury I was recovering fine for six months. But, then I was wrongly prescribed a vasoconstrictor that caused a nerve disorder in my face that reacts to food. And that diet caused the condition from the antibiotics to become problematic.0
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Out of curiosity, IBS-C or IBS-D? I ask because there's a big difference between the two, and I would think fixing one type using a given method may not work for the other type.GaleHawkins wrote: »
I am down 50 pounds and my IBS left after the 1st six month of eating this way and so far has not returned.rainbowbow wrote: »i'd be curious to know if this is something that applies to everyone across the board or if anti inflammatory foods come down to an individual basis.
I am only questioning this because i want a few tests done (like the ALCAT) as i've seen that some foods may be perfectly fine and others may be poorly tolerated on a case by case basis.
I have an auto immune disease (sjorgen's syndrome) as well as rosacea both of which can be worsened or even triggered with certain foods. Typically i see things such as curcumin (turmeric) and ginger be recommended and avoiding things that may be inflammatory such as: spicy foods, fried foods, tomatoes, dairy, and chocolate/caffiene. Are these foods simply more likely to cause inflammation in humans in general?
I haven't found my specific food triggers and i suspect that i likely have many food intolerances going on that i'm eating unawaredly.
@ForecasterJason I was never to IBS was C or D in my case. Others in the family have be told IBS-C.
Actually I did not cut out sugars and all forms of grains to cure my IBS but to manage my joint and muscle pain. The IBS resolving and staying that way after 6 months was just a side effect of very LCHF Way Of Eating in my case.0 -
Sorry to be dense...but is inflammation only associated with joints/muscles?
Would puffing/bloating/skin tenderness and pain be considered inflammation?0 -
arditarose wrote: »Sorry to be dense...but is inflammation only associated with joints/muscles?
Would puffing/bloating/skin tenderness and pain be considered inflammation?
No, inflammation can involve a myriad of bodily areas and conditions. Some go so far as to say depression and mental health issues might be forms of inflammation.
Some forms of puffing, bloating, and tenderness could be an inflammatory response.0 -
arditarose wrote: »Sorry to be dense...but is inflammation only associated with joints/muscles?
Would puffing/bloating/skin tenderness and pain be considered inflammation?
No, inflammation can involve a myriad of bodily areas and conditions. Some go so far as to say depression and mental health issues might be forms of inflammation.
Some forms of puffing, bloating, and tenderness could be an inflammatory response.
Hmm..I'll look into this more. Thank you.0
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