Just eat the damn ice cream!

Sez3199 wrote: »

krisalexine wrote: »

Sez3199 wrote: »

Nah it's all good. I just get tired of the zombies on here spewing out the same rhetoric over and over again, whether it is warranted or not. On to the next!

Lol i get it. I asked a question maybe 2 years ago: "has anyone tried adipowers for lifting?" only to receive such responses as: "anything with a wide toe box and flat sole is fine!" or "i lift in socks" or "i lift, i do, i think, me me me me me me"... OH! I was lifting in stilettos this whole time. Thanks!

Hence why my post count is so low after being on here since '12.

Sorry for going off-topic a bit with this reply.

Oh man, I honestly think that there are teams of posters on here that make it their daily routine to go and post the same cookie cutter info on any thread they can find. The funniest is when I see some of these responses added where it doesn't really make sense.

*Dramatization*

OP: "how can I improve my 5k time?"

MFP Zombie: "The only thing that matters is CICO!"

Teehee, you know what I mean. I think we're on the same page and sorry for jumping down your throat

No no no .. I thought MFP was crystal clear that to improve your 5k time you have to go to a reputable running store and get a gait analysis and and be fit for $200 sneakers.

WinoGelato wrote: »

danielle4216 wrote: »

Well you could argue that an organic banana is healthier than refined white sugar in ice cream

I think the point is that, while our body needs sugar, for the same amount of sugar you'd eat in cakes, soda and ice cream, you'd get a lot more important nutrients' worth from fruits. Cakes are for self indulgence. Fruits are for indulgence AND keeping your body up to speed and running. It is absolutely ludicrous to argue that a tablespoon of refined sugar is the same as an apple. Sorry, but if I cared enough about my health, i'd choose the apple. So yea, the molecular structure of sugar is the same in fruit as it is in refined sugar, but in the long run, you still have to be careful and give your body the vitamins it deserves without overloading it with sugar.

Anyway I understand why you'd roll your eyes at people who say its better to eat a banana, because you think they argue that the sugar itself is better(ok some do that probably, but they miss the point too), but if your goal is to optimize the vitamins and other micro nutrition while still losing weight, then it really is. Then you can have a glass of milk, and some eggs and you got your ice cream content right there without the added unnecessary sugar! But I guess that just doesn't make for a very satisfying ice cream experience

Anyway I'm not arguing against ice cream, I'm just spelling out why it is that people would argue that fruit is better than sugar in terms of health(it has nothing to do with weight loss, but everything to do with optimal bodily functions of brain, cell, aging etc).

kittenonmars wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

danielle4216 wrote: »

Well you could argue that an organic banana is healthier than refined white sugar in ice cream

I think the point is that, while our body needs sugar, for the same amount of sugar you'd eat in cakes, soda and ice cream, you'd get a lot more important nutrients' worth from fruits. Cakes are for self indulgence. Fruits are for indulgence AND keeping your body up to speed and running. It is absolutely ludicrous to argue that a tablespoon of refined sugar is the same as an apple. Sorry, but if I cared enough about my health, i'd choose the apple. So yea, the molecular structure of sugar is the same in fruit as it is in refined sugar, but in the long run, you still have to be careful and give your body the vitamins it deserves without overloading it with sugar.

Anyway I understand why you'd roll your eyes at people who say its better to eat a banana, because you think they argue that the sugar itself is better(ok some do that probably, but they miss the point too), but if your goal is to optimize the vitamins and other micro nutrition while still losing weight, then it really is. Then you can have a glass of milk, and some eggs and you got your ice cream content right there without the added unnecessary sugar! But I guess that just doesn't make for a very satisfying ice cream experience

Anyway I'm not arguing against ice cream, I'm just spelling out why it is that people would argue that fruit is better than sugar in terms of health(it has nothing to do with weight loss, but everything to do with optimal bodily functions of brain, cell, aging etc).

You got all that from a George Carlin gif?

The OP talked about being surprised about the nutritional profile of what she thought was going to be a landslide victory for frozen bananas and how similar it was to ice cream Some people said they like the banana concoction or they use it as a way to use up aging fruit. No one had brought up "yeah but a banana is healthier", the inevitable statement that turns a nice thread about ice cream flavors into the same tired argument we have day in and day out. Until the post I quoted. That's all I was getting at.

Christine_72 wrote: »

kwtilbury wrote: »

I usually have some greek yogurt mixed with protein powder, which has a significantly different nutritional profile than ice cream...then I'll have some ice cream with whatever calories/macros I have left.

I have a similar concoction nearly every night for dessert.

100g chobani yogurt
100g full fat cottage cheese
40g chocolate/peanut butter protein powder
15g chia seeds

Mix it all together and refrigerate for a few hours, top with raspberries.

420 calories

20g carbs
56g protein
13g fat
10g fibre

So much more filling and satisfying than a little bowl of icecream, for me anyways

For 420 calories I could have 1.5 cups of the ice cream in my freezer; that's not a small bowl.

auddii wrote: »

Christine_72 wrote: »

kwtilbury wrote: »

I usually have some greek yogurt mixed with protein powder, which has a significantly different nutritional profile than ice cream...then I'll have some ice cream with whatever calories/macros I have left.

I have a similar concoction nearly every night for dessert.

100g chobani yogurt
100g full fat cottage cheese
40g chocolate/peanut butter protein powder
15g chia seeds

Mix it all together and refrigerate for a few hours, top with raspberries.

420 calories

20g carbs
56g protein
13g fat
10g fibre

So much more filling and satisfying than a little bowl of icecream, for me anyways

For 420 calories I could have 1.5 cups of the ice cream in my freezer; that's not a small bowl.

Qft. That's two servings of most of the Talenti flavors in my freezer atm.

Sugars in a banana 3+2
Or sugars in ice cream 7-2
I'm having flashbacks to the Nutrition Debate.

krisalexine wrote: »

I felt like I was drinking a candle.

Lmao. I think this is why I've never tried it,

kittenonmars wrote: »

Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »

kittenonmars wrote: »

WinoGelato wrote: »

danielle4216 wrote: »

Well you could argue that an organic banana is healthier than refined white sugar in ice cream

I think the point is that, while our body needs sugar, for the same amount of sugar you'd eat in cakes, soda and ice cream, you'd get a lot more important nutrients' worth from fruits. Cakes are for self indulgence. Fruits are for indulgence AND keeping your body up to speed and running. It is absolutely ludicrous to argue that a tablespoon of refined sugar is the same as an apple. Sorry, but if I cared enough about my health, i'd choose the apple. So yea, the molecular structure of sugar is the same in fruit as it is in refined sugar, but in the long run, you still have to be careful and give your body the vitamins it deserves without overloading it with sugar.

Anyway I understand why you'd roll your eyes at people who say its better to eat a banana, because you think they argue that the sugar itself is better(ok some do that probably, but they miss the point too), but if your goal is to optimize the vitamins and other micro nutrition while still losing weight, then it really is. Then you can have a glass of milk, and some eggs and you got your ice cream content right there without the added unnecessary sugar! But I guess that just doesn't make for a very satisfying ice cream experience

Anyway I'm not arguing against ice cream, I'm just spelling out why it is that people would argue that fruit is better than sugar in terms of health(it has nothing to do with weight loss, but everything to do with optimal bodily functions of brain, cell, aging etc).

What if you've already met your micronutrient requirements for the day? Would the banana still be the "healthier" choice?

(Hint: your body doesn't give you extra credit for taking in more vitamins/minerals than you need)

(Another hint: I always choose Talenti over frozen banana sludge)

Well, given that the amount of recommended daily sugar amounts to very little fruit really, i think that if you eat candy and ice cream, you've pretty much ruined your chance at being optimal(not that you HAVE to be, i certainly am not) in that regard.

I don't see why. It's pretty easy to fit a moderate serving of ice cream (which typically has some calcium, something I'm more likely to be low on than anything in a banana) or chocolate in a nutrient-dense diet. I also think you are exaggerating the health benefits of fruit. I love fruit because it's tasty and has some vitamins and is (for me) filling for the calories, but I eat lots of vegetables and for the most part (based on logging at cronometer for a while) don't find that I end up getting much essential that I wasn't already getting from fruit.

On the other hand, a banana tastes great after a workout and I love in-season fruit or even a pear or clementine instead of dessert at any time. Berries are the perfect addition to oatmeal or plain greek yogurt, too.

Personally though, I think the recommended daily sugar intake came out of someone's *kitten* and is way too small as it is, but still... Ice cream has unnecessary, added, pure sugar.

Oh, you mean at MFP? I rarely go over mine (if you aren't at a crazy low calorie goal it's easier not to), but I also think it's meaningless. The sensible recommendations are to stay below 5 or 10% of ADDED sugar, on average (I am for 5%, but consider it an average, so if I'm high one day don't care). The WHO and others pushing this admit that it's to make sure the overall diet contains enough nutrients (isn't unbalanced) and to protect against the extra calories in many high added sugar items (often the calories are as much from fat, though).

I think MFP just took this estimate, guessed at how much fruit, veg, and dairy people ate on average, to give an overall estimate. If you don't eat a lot of added sugar (and I don't, even on days when I have some chocolate or ice cream), then I wouldn't worry about going over sugar from fruits and veg or consider that "non optimal." When I first started I ate 1250 calories and tons of veg, some fruit, and not much in the way of starches (and some starchy veg like sweet potatoes have sugar and other veg like beets are quite sugary). So I could hit my sugar limit then with no added sugar and being under my carb goal. Saying that is unhealthy seems crazy to me.

But you simply cant argue that ice cream compared to a banana or any other fruit is equally healthy, because ice cream contains added sugar, which is empty calories you could have gotten from a better source.

Well, added sugar makes things taste good. I'm not sure why adding sugar to, say, a rhubarb sauce (which I have been known to add to ice cream, but that's a separate matter) would be unhealthy while the same amount of sugar in an apple sauce (inherent in the apple) or mashed banana would not be, for example. Similarly, if someone enjoys oatmeal with added sugar, is the added sugar a problem? If that were so it would seem we should try to get the nutrients in the fruit without the sugar also, and that's certainly not necessary.

With respect to the ice cream vs. banana thing specifically, the problem is that people either grossly misunderstand how "healthy" the banana concoction is or think it's lower cal than it is (or doesn't count, since fruit) or else they claim the sugar in the bananas are different from sugar in ice cream, when it's not really.

Actually, the main difference between the banana and the ice cream (beyond different nutrients, and the banana having an advantage on more of those, probably, depending on the rest of your day), is not sugar (which probably is higher in the banana concoction), but that the ice cream tends to have lots of sat fat, which is why it's higher cal for the same volume. I don't think moderate amounts of sat fat is a problem (and I enjoy my ice cream and cheese and meat), but depends on the overall diet.