Gained weight on 1200cal diet, AND 800cal diet.

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I am also 5 2 and 47 year's old. Being short we really do have a small window so logging for weight loss is extremely important and some kind of activity as this will help offset any inaccurate logging.

I tried this last year it's the first time I had tried to lose weight. I was logging ok but not moving enough. I know for me I have keep my calorie at 1200 - 1300 a day but I walk between 2.5 - 3 miles per day.

I have been back at this for a month and have lost 8.4 pounds. I know now I am doing it the right way for my body.

Please stop using your height as the sole reason for eating 1200 calories. I'm 5'2", 45 y/o, and maintain on 1900-2000 calories a day. Unless you're trapped working out in a Jefferies tube, being short has no bearing.

Not using it as an excuse lol. My total calorie need is not the same as someone who is 6 foot. I opt to believe my doctor.

Rude. Seriously

truth is that a GP doesn't have enough training to suggest a calorie goal.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430660/

Is a study done which indicates that the average time spent by doctors studying nutrition is about 24hours in the duration of their studies and this included specialist.

If you want to know what you should be eating talk to an up to date registered dietician.

my doctor is pretty on the ball.

Not.all doctors are misinformed or uninformed . Some actually care about weight loss nutrition and proper activity for their patients. Not all doctors are the same

Again GPs are not registered dieticians....and unless they specialize in nutrition should not be giving nutrional advice above geneic stuff like keep saturated fats down. Don't over eat.

You don't know my doctor so why judge his qualifications ?

Don't over eat? Lol. You think it's because of me over eating ? No. You don't know my medical history

Not one sitiuation applies to everyone. Gesh.

I really try to like this community. But it's just judgment and know it all behavior

To the OP. Tigten up your logging and up your activity. Keep at it and you will see results. Good luck ❤

Why did you ask for advice if you are just going to refute everything that is offered? Stop being so offended and take the advice of the forum, there has been some good advice offered here but it seems you've ignored it all.

Its nothing against your doctor or others, they simply do not have the correct training to be offering the kind of advice. That is why we have dietitians.

@JoshuaMcAllister - she didn't ask for advice, she is responding to Op. Doctors do not have specific nutrition training unless they pursue it themselves. None of us know that that particular poster's doctor has or not.

Yeah I'm not disputing that they cant pursue it in their spare time but to blindly take advice from someone on nutrition simply because they are a doctor is misguided. I certainly wouldn't unless they provide some evidence that they have studied it.

And believe me if doctors around the world are as overworked as the UKs NHS I sincerely doubt they have enough free time to study. (just a little joke before I get hounded for this)

No one on this board suggested they were a doctor. No one even suggested blindly taking advice. I certainly don't support that. A poster relayed the information provided to her by her doctor, one she described as "on the ball" and people outright dismissed the information based on the fact that doctors do not receive a lot of nutrition training.

First of all, that poster and I are in one country, you in another. The other person dimissing that poster's doctor is in yet another.

My only point is that we cannot outright dismiss the advice of a doctor based on the assumption that doctors get little nutritional training. There are any number of factors that can go towards (or against) the validity of a GP's nutritional advice.

As I said earlier, my own doctor keeps up to date on some specific information that other GPs aren't well versed on. And she is quite busy.

Firstly, nowhere have I said that someone suggested they were a doctor? And again nowhere does it state in my post that I believe someone suggested taking advice blindly, these were my own words. What I mean by this is that suggesting to the OP or others to ask a doctor/or take advice from one nutrition probably isn't the best advice as there is a high likelihood they will not be "one the ball" or "up to date on some specific information". Advising them to seek a dietitian or nutritionist for information would be far more beneficial.

I don't really see how my being in another country makes much of a difference?

I'm not arguing with your point about dismissing the advice, I think if you re-read my post you will see me post that i would not take advice "unless they provide some evidence that they have studied it."

You seem to have taken real offence to this, I'm really unsure why. If you are confident your GP has knowledge of health and nutrition then great, no doubt you'll be offered some good advice each visit but as I've previously said not everyone is lucky enough to have a GP like yours.

Have you had your thyroid checked? If you do have a thyroid problem restricting this much will just throw it out of whack even more. If you've noticed other symptoms (dry skin, fatigue, etc) I would definitely get that checked. Either way your doctor will be able to help you.

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StephanieLMcQuinn wrote: »

First off, I'm 5'2 and I weighed a steady 130 lbs for years. Over the winter I slowly gained weight, until I got to 144. In January I started a 1200cal diet with cardio exercise, and gained 2 pounds. Last week, I read that for some RARE women, 1200 may not be enough for weight loss, so I (maybe stupidly), restricted to 800cals. I worked out like crazy every day. I gained another pound. I feel so frustrated I want to cry. In hindsight, I know 800 was probably too little. I should have done 1000. But still! I don't know what else to do. I'm only 21 years old. I'm trying to get to 120 lbs. Please feel free to add me for Support as well.

Assuming exercising 3 times weekly for 30 mins at a light intensity, currently 144 lbs, and a sedentary job, your TDEE is 1643 cals per day.

You're short (No offense meant), but you're fighting an uphill battle. Any error in your logging could completely wipe any deficit you might have.

Buy and use a food scale, to get the most accurate logging possible. I would not recommend logging your exercise in the app, as the estimates for caloric burn rate are way off. Set your daily goal to 1200, log accurately, and see what happens for a bit. I'm guessing overestimation of caloric burn coupled with inaccurate logging is what is doing you in. Very heavy individuals can error greatly in both, and still see results, because their TDEE is so high to being with. You're only 20 lbs over, have a low TDEE, so you need to really knuckle down on the logging aspect.

@coreyreichle Where do you get 1643?

I checked on a site that I find close to actuals and with exercise and age and other stats it calculates it at 2k....

cut at 1610...which makes sense at her age, current weight and exercise...

http://www.iifym.com/tdee-calculator/

Bear in mind, I also made some assumptions, which I laid out, and OP didn't provide (ie, intensity level of exercise, time/frequency of exercise, and daily activity level).

I made assumptions as well on exercise

http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/

typically these are quite close.

https://tdeecalculator.net/result.php?s=imperial&g=female&age=21&lbs=144&in=61&act=1.375&f=1

this one is higher than yours as well....hence the reason giving out numbers is not a good idea.

To figure out TDEE actually requires personal data and this formula

Total calories consumed + (lbs lostx 3500)/#days

need to be accurate with consumption using a food scale of course and at least 21 days.

Personally, I don't like to use the sites you supplied, due to lack of granularity in what data you provide. ie, how much exercise and for how long...

But, to each their own, I suppose.

@coreyreichle you missed the most important part of my post...how to calculate your own tdee without assumptions and websites.

and the fact you shouldn't throw numbers at folks without really knowing the facts.

Your simplistic formula fails to take into account the fact that your TDEE changes based current, or sloped weight, though, so it's fairly inaccurate.

I used the facts I knew (She supplied), added some reasonable assumptions to fill out the required data, provided the source (When asked) so she could do it on her own.

To boil is down, your simple formula doesn't work. It would work well if you limited it to a data set of 4 weeks, as weight changes don't happen that quickly.

So, you shouldn't throw around formulas that are untested, because you don't like time tested formula/calculators.

@coreyreichle Interesting..untested eh.

It is a simple formula that is correct but it has been tested numerous times by those in the Eat Train progress group and I trust SideSteel and Sara with the information they provide way over a website where one is making assumptions and throwing arbitrary numbers out to someone that they don't know much about just some info on a forum post.

SMH

FYI if you use rolling data you get your accurate tdee and it's much more accurate than those sites you use, and based on your own assertions TDEE changes (correct) based on weight and activity...so your sites will have to be visited as much as the formula has to be calculated...keep in mind the formula doesn't make assumptions.

You do know TDEE calcs change every time you lose weight, right?

If I were to include data in an average from 1 year ago in my TDEE calcs, it would push me over my TDEE. Sure, your formula works, if your weight is stable over the period, but with someone trying to lose/gain, you're always running late, so to speak (Either over/under).

Your formula makes a critically incorrect assumption: Your TDEE is constant over the time period, which is why I said it would work better if you shortened the period to 4 weeks, rather than 12 months.

Eat Train? Never heard of them. IIFYM? Scooby? Well accepted sources of data in the fitness community, from runners to body builders. I'll take their well tested methods over Eat Train progress groups any day.

I am aware of the fact TDEE changes every time you lose weight as I mentioned in my post.

Eat Train Progress Yah I am not surprised by the fact you aren't in that group otherwise you wouldn't be throwing numbers out at posters without all the knowledge required.

You do what you want...you don't like the formula don't use it...no skin off my nose...

My point really is this...and let me bold it for you okay...

do not throw numbers out to posters who are new to weight loss without all the knowledge you need to give them those numbers....and since you will not have that...don't throw numbers out.

Exits gracefully.

I didn't "throw out numbers". I took given facts by OP, made some reasonable assumption (3 days a week, 30 minutes of light activity, and a sedentary job), and provided a tested calculation based on that.

You don't like my numbers. Fine. I don't care. They are reasonable numbers, under reasonable assumptions. And, far more accurate than a 1 year average of TDEE, for which data doesn't even exist.

Yes you did and no they aren't reasonable.

Assuming exercising 3 times weekly for 30 mins at a light intensity, currently 144 lbs, and a sedentary job, your TDEE is 1643 cals per day.

which is not a reasonable TDEE for a women who is 144lbs. who said...

I worked out like crazy every day

one of these days you will get it...hope I am here to see it...*smiles*

They are completely reasonable. Most people have no idea what "working out like crazy every day" really means. People assume I do that too, and they know how far, and how long I run for. It's really not much, maybe 300-500 cals worth per day, and that's for 1.5 hours of exercising a day, 5 days per week, and my TDEE is only ~2200 cals as a 5'10" male, weighing 170lbs.

Sure. You believe what you like is reasonable. I provided sourcing. You gave an overly simplistic, and incorrect formula to follow.

There's nothing I need to "get". I've already "got it". I've reached my goal weight already, and am working on maintenance. I arrived here, on schedule, per iifym.com's calculator.

Just a few questions. Do you have a medical issue or are you otherwise sedentary? I ask because for your stats a TDEE of 2200 seems kind of low. I'm 5'3", 115 pounds, and a female and my TDEE is 2200 to 2600. I didn't really think I was all that active.

No medical issue. An office job. Average ~12,000 steps per day, and I typically run anywhere from 3-6 miles per day (30-60 minutes), 5 days per week, with one long run of ~8-9 miles per week (90 minutes or so), and one rest day.

And, it's "winter time" still, so I'm not outdoors all that much, outside of my runs. Come spring/summer? My TDEE will likely jump to 25-2600 per day, as I'll be throwing in hiking and camping in the mix.

vcurrie19 wrote: »

I'm not a fitness junkie, but I would assume the weight gain is probably muscle gain. 800 calories is really low girl, I wouldn't suggest going that low. Eating healthily and often while maintaining your workouts is your best option. Overall though, I would think your weight gain is probably muscle (or water retention, but I don't know how much water you've been drinking!)

Water retention, yes. Muscle gain at 800kcal? No.

Watch your sodium. I was on a soup kick one week and put on 4lbs. I instantly cut the soup (canned high sodium crap) and it came right off in a week. It wasn't actual fat gain.

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vcurrie19 wrote: »

I'm not a fitness junkie, but I would assume the weight gain is probably muscle gain. 800 calories is really low girl, I wouldn't suggest going that low. Eating healthily and often while maintaining your workouts is your best option. Overall though, I would think your weight gain is probably muscle (or water retention, but I don't know how much water you've been drinking!)

No it seems you aren't a fitness person, so why give advice?
You can't gain muscle in a deficit.
It doesn't matter how often or whether the food is healthy to lose weight.
You can retain water for muscle repair without drinking a lot of water, you can retain water within the muscle cells that you get from other parts of the body, or food.

You were spot on with the low calorie advice.

you can have newbie gains in a deficit
if you are an experienced lifter than you cant

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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »

HELLO @StephanieLMcQuinn PLEASE COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT HAPPENED

I PMd her and asked her to come back and update us.

Did she reply? I am curious