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Can one live on only meat?
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Because they are eating this way, they are in a permanent state of ketosis. Can you imagine what their breath must smell like? YUCK!1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Thanks for all of the links. Kind of drives home how lame peer reviews can be since they are mainly personal opinions. Man made it to this point eating what he could get to his mouth which was in many parts only raw meats. If carbs were required for good health in humans then they would be a required part of every macro.
Peer reviewed studies are the opposite of personal opinion. By definition and the standard guidelines, they are are vetted by a group of peers and must be reproducible in a similar environment. What has been linked here, and what many on this site seem fond of, are blog pieces that confirm a particular opinion but are not scientifically validated.
I'm also not understanding your last sentence. Carbs are a macronutrient. How can they be a required part of every macro?
All of this. And no blue zones are keto, and likely no human cultures have been keto. Doesn't make keto unhealthy, but also demonstrates that human history is not a good argument for the X-Treme keto POV.
What is a good argument is that human being are quite resilient when it comes to the diets we are able to survive on (especially when we are active as those in traditional cultures are), but that's a good reason to stop the anti-carb preaching too.
My hopes are not up, so I will now return to my plan to not engage with it.7 -
floridagirl7264 wrote: »
Because they are eating this way, they are in a permanent state of ketosis. Can you imagine what their breath must smell like? YUCK!
@floridagirl7264 Usually those on a high protein diet are the ones who get stinky breath. Those in ketosis (high fat) usually do not get bad breath. Usually. There are a few.
I've been in ketosis for almost a year and my breath is fine; almost sweeter than it used to be... except if I have just eaten garlic, onion or cheese, but that makes most people stink.0 -
This is the STILLMAN diet, from many years ago. I'm an expert, as I used to do it when I was a teenager. You MUST drink AT LEAST 8 glasses of water per day or you will DESTROY your kidneys. Yes, you will lose weight- on STILLMAN I lost 1 lb per day. But it is VERY unpleasant, not sustainable, and NOT healthy- and on the Stillman diet, you were allowed MEAT, FISH, COTTAGE CHEESE, EGGS & WATER. That is IT. Not even one leaf of lettuce. But what's the point??? Just to do it b/c someone "challenged" you? I challenge you to eat a balanced, healthy diet and lose weight in a HEALTHY way. It's really very easy. I have lost nearly 30 lbs (just .6 lbs away) since Jan 1st of this year!)2
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NewMEEE2016 wrote: »This is the STILLMAN diet, from many years ago. I'm an expert, as I used to do it when I was a teenager. You MUST drink AT LEAST 8 glasses of water per day or you will DESTROY your kidneys. Yes, you will lose weight- on STILLMAN I lost 1 lb per day. But it is VERY unpleasant, not sustainable, and NOT healthy- and on the Stillman diet, you were allowed MEAT, FISH, COTTAGE CHEESE, EGGS & WATER. That is IT. Not even one leaf of lettuce. But what's the point??? Just to do it b/c someone "challenged" you? I challenge you to eat a balanced, healthy diet and lose weight in a HEALTHY way. It's really very easy. I have lost nearly 30 lbs (just .6 lbs away) since Jan 1st of this year!)
A high protein diet can be hard on the kidneys of those who have existing kidney problems. Eating animal products or meat is not high protein for most who eat carnivore. Usually the focus is on fatty meats so fat is the largest macro.
Carnivore appears to be a fine way to eat or the Masai and inuit wouldn't have survived (I realize that they did have small amounts of plant matter on ocassion). I know a few people who eat carnivore (95+% of the time), and have for years. They appear to be healthier for it.
I wouldn't want to eat cottage cheese everyday either.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »And people do all sorts of waca-doodle experiments with food - if you are trying to understand how people can get into the whole "only meat" thing I remember reading the Joe Anderson and his family blog about how it was "the best thing for them".
Here is someone who has gone from vegan to all meat. http://zerocarbzen.com/about-me/
Well, personally I'm going to consider all restrictive diets as dubious (or worse) - I'll respect how people eat because I understand it is a multifaceted decision that includes so many different factors - but generally anyone arguing either that their WoE is "nutritionally best" or the opposite that method x is "OMG, gonna die, necessarily nutritionally deficient" is blowing the horn on two sides of the same coin (might as well mix my metaphors and screw the pooch) and full of it.
Any diet may be nutritionally deficient. Almost any diet may meet personal nutritional needs. Most require some thought and specific action.
Would have loved to read any internal dialog she had about switching from all plant diet to the opposite0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »And people do all sorts of waca-doodle experiments with food - if you are trying to understand how people can get into the whole "only meat" thing I remember reading the Joe Anderson and his family blog about how it was "the best thing for them".
Here is someone who has gone from vegan to all meat. http://zerocarbzen.com/about-me/
Well, personally I'm going to consider all restrictive diets as dubious (or worse) - I'll respect how people eat because I understand it is a multifaceted decision that includes so many different factors - but generally anyone arguing either that their WoE is "nutritionally best" or the opposite that method x is "OMG, gonna die, necessarily nutritionally deficient" is blowing the horn on two sides of the same coin (might as well mix my metaphors and screw the pooch) and full of it.
Any diet may be nutritionally deficient. Almost any diet may meet personal nutritional needs. Most require some thought and specific action.
Would have loved to read any internal dialog she had about switching from all plant diet to the opposite
Well, at least she provides a cautionary example of why one should avoid fad diets. Although, I guess if one is drawn to fad diets then she's Wonderwoman. Her "about me" made my head hurt.1 -
Wow. You are an awful human being if you go from "vegan", knowing every ounce of cruelty, torture and inhumanity in animal agriculture, to eating nothing but animals.
Earthlings. Watch it.
Nutritionfacts.org0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx wrote: »And people do all sorts of waca-doodle experiments with food - if you are trying to understand how people can get into the whole "only meat" thing I remember reading the Joe Anderson and his family blog about how it was "the best thing for them".
Here is someone who has gone from vegan to all meat. http://zerocarbzen.com/about-me/
Well, personally I'm going to consider all restrictive diets as dubious (or worse) - I'll respect how people eat because I understand it is a multifaceted decision that includes so many different factors - but generally anyone arguing either that their WoE is "nutritionally best" or the opposite that method x is "OMG, gonna die, necessarily nutritionally deficient" is blowing the horn on two sides of the same coin (might as well mix my metaphors and screw the pooch) and full of it.
Any diet may be nutritionally deficient. Almost any diet may meet personal nutritional needs. Most require some thought and specific action.
Would have loved to read any internal dialog she had about switching from all plant diet to the opposite
Well, at least she provides a cautionary example of why one should avoid fad diets. Although, I guess if one is drawn to fad diets then she's Wonderwoman. Her "about me" made my head hurt.
I know, right? What was it for years - just celery and berries? Now you make me wonder what new diet she'll be writing about in five or ten years. I don't recall if she just called these "diets" and not the severe eating disorders they were, seeing as she had extremely limited diets plus water fasts, and got way down to was it 69 or 85 lbs0 -
vinegar_husbands wrote: »floridagirl7264 wrote: »
Because they are eating this way, they are in a permanent state of ketosis. Can you imagine what their breath must smell like? YUCK!
Not everyone gets keto breath.
My pee smells like bacon and I like it.
You like bacon?
Or you like pee that smells like bacon?0 -
ItsABreeThing wrote: »Wow. You are an awful human being if you go from "vegan", knowing every ounce of cruelty, torture and inhumanity in animal agriculture, to eating nothing but animals.
Earthlings. Watch it.
Nutritionfacts.org
Inspired sermon, reverend.6 -
Can't we all just get along and respect the different ways that people eat without attacking it??? *shrugs*
Where do you think you are? Somewhere that is not mfp?
Thanks for the continued updates. Not something I want to do, but it's always interesting to hear about others experiences.5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Thanks for all of the links. Kind of drives home how lame peer reviews can be since they are mainly personal opinions. Man made it to this point eating what he could get to his mouth which was in many parts only raw meats. If carbs were required for good health in humans then they would be a required part of every macro.
Peer reviewed studies are the opposite of personal opinion. By definition and the standard guidelines, they are are vetted by a group of peers and must be reproducible in a similar environment. What has been linked here, and what many on this site seem fond of, are blog pieces that confirm a particular opinion but are not scientifically validated.
I'm also not understanding your last sentence. Carbs are a macronutrient. How can they be a required part of every macro?
Clarifying for those not familiar with peer review and the biological sciences.
The above about peer review is all correct. However the bolded might be misunderstood. There is no requirement to demonstrate reproducibility prior to publication. The paper submitted must contain sufficient detail for the research to be reproduced if the resources are available. Papers are subject to challenge should other researchers attempt to reproduce the work and fail.3 -
Seems like an Adkins kinda thing, seems like a heart attack.2
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ItsABreeThing wrote: »Wow. You are an awful human being if you go from "vegan", knowing every ounce of cruelty, torture and inhumanity in animal agriculture, to eating nothing but animals.
Earthlings. Watch it.
Nutritionfacts.org
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