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Can one live on only meat?
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thorsmom01 wrote: »This is no different then the other fad type of challenges around.
Every week there's a new one that goes around like " go paleo for a month " or " eat only eggs for a week and lose weight " or " green smoothie 30 day challenge"
Some people will blindly follow anything.
I'll continue to eat a well balanced diet that meets all my macros and micros.
But don't you think one month is not very long to do any long term damage but just to torch some body fat? What could be the harm?0 -
This seems ridiculous and unnecessary.0
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Akimajuktuq wrote: »goingtobefit2015 wrote: »Not good very unhealthy and lots of fat and disease causing food.
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." The plague of diseases called "diseases of civilization" did not plague our ancestors. Accidents, infections, high child mortality, and food scarcity did though.
You might want to revisit the "fats are unhealthy" idea. I'd agree that Becel and most plant oils, which are in all our "healthy" low fat foods are definitely not healthy but humans have been eating, and showing preference for, animal fats for millions of years. You and I are here; proof is in our survival as a species. The future doesn't look so good though.
Actually, for those that lived into old age, newer forensic techniques are showing that our ancestors also had the disease of civilization. Being active helped prevent and slow some of it, but they not only had all the dreadful diseases we've eliminated or drastically reduced, a long life could see them have arthritis, gout, kidney stones, heart disease, stroke. All with worse chance of survival.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/the-surprising-thing-ancient-mummies-tell-us-about-what-to-eat/
But hey, admittedly, made up history is so much more romantic and idealistic.
So the take from the article is this, get lean and stay lean.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I've always thought the Eskimo diet was interesting for its lack of fruits and veggies. Not for me, but I guess it can be done. Anyone have any thoughtful criticism of this?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/450725-eskimo-diet-heart-disease/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/eskimo-myth_b_5268420.html
I'm just quoting because not everyone saw this.Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I've always thought the Eskimo diet was interesting for its lack of fruits and veggies. Not for me, but I guess it can be done. Anyone have any thoughtful criticism of this?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/450725-eskimo-diet-heart-disease/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/eskimo-myth_b_5268420.html
I'm just quoting because not everyone saw this.
Huff post articles aren't generally very well received around here.
Maybe actually read the studies linked in the article....
I saw no studies.0 -
I don't think it would kill you, but I don't understand why you would want to.
To paraphrase mothers through history: "If your friend challenged you to jump off a cliff would you do that too?".
Humans are omnivores and have survived on very limited diets in the past when scarcity, climate or environment has enforced this. But, as someone who has easy access to a wide range of foods, I just don't see the point in self imposed "challenges" like this. Your friend might get a good laugh out of your discomfort, but what's in it for you??0 -
Chamorro people eat chicken kelaguin which is basically raw chicken. The thought of eating raw chicken is vile to me. The thought of eating all meat for a month sounds....unappealing.1
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pebble4321 wrote: »I don't think it would kill you, but I don't understand why you would want to.
To paraphrase mothers through history: "If your friend challenged you to jump off a cliff would you do that too?".
Humans are omnivores and have survived on very limited diets in the past when scarcity, climate or environment has enforced this. But, as someone who has easy access to a wide range of foods, I just don't see the point in self imposed "challenges" like this. Your friend might get a good laugh out of your discomfort, but what's in it for you??
She's mean but I love her. She's my friend. Funny thing, she doesn't want to be friends with FitBit she thinks I will kick her butt in steps.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »pebble4321 wrote: »I don't think it would kill you, but I don't understand why you would want to.
To paraphrase mothers through history: "If your friend challenged you to jump off a cliff would you do that too?".
Humans are omnivores and have survived on very limited diets in the past when scarcity, climate or environment has enforced this. But, as someone who has easy access to a wide range of foods, I just don't see the point in self imposed "challenges" like this. Your friend might get a good laugh out of your discomfort, but what's in it for you??
She's mean but I love her. She's my friend. Funny thing, she doesn't want to be friends with FitBit she thinks I will kick her butt in steps.
Has your friend told you what her preferred selections will be for the challenge? Steak and chicken breast seem pretty expensive for the long haul, and bacon alone isn't that filling.0 -
Hmm. Meat only. I suppose it could be just hamburger which is certainly cheapest of all cuts. I know Costco has a huge selection of frozen ground beef and bacon. My hubby thinks I'm nuts if I do this but it's only one month.0
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I had plans to try something like this already, except I am still including coconut oil and some eggs.0
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queenliz99 wrote: »Hmm. Meat only. I suppose it could be just hamburger which is certainly cheapest of all cuts. I know Costco has a huge selection of frozen ground beef and bacon. My hubby thinks I'm nuts if I do this but it's only one month.
True. How about sausage? Some varieties can have fillers that aren't meat.
Ground beef is fine, but I've always thought those plastic tube packs were a bit suspect.0 -
I'd be curious about the nutritional completeness of this as well. I can't imagine that you could get the full compliment of necessary vitamins and minerals through meat alone. Definitely lacking in fibre. @queenliz99 your friend sounds a little cray... And that's coming from me
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queenliz99 wrote: »Hmm. Meat only. I suppose it could be just hamburger which is certainly cheapest of all cuts. I know Costco has a huge selection of frozen ground beef and bacon. My hubby thinks I'm nuts if I do this but it's only one month.
True. How about sausage? Some varieties can have fillers that aren't meat.
Ground beef is fine, but I've always thought those plastic tube packs were a bit suspect.
What are these plastic tube packs you speak of?0 -
Sausage is out because of the fillers, I may be wrong about this. Plastic? Do you mean trays?0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Hmm. Meat only. I suppose it could be just hamburger which is certainly cheapest of all cuts. I know Costco has a huge selection of frozen ground beef and bacon. My hubby thinks I'm nuts if I do this but it's only one month.
True. How about sausage? Some varieties can have fillers that aren't meat.
Ground beef is fine, but I've always thought those plastic tube packs were a bit suspect.
What are these plastic tube packs you speak of?
These types of packs...I think the supermarkets call them chubs
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lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Hmm. Meat only. I suppose it could be just hamburger which is certainly cheapest of all cuts. I know Costco has a huge selection of frozen ground beef and bacon. My hubby thinks I'm nuts if I do this but it's only one month.
True. How about sausage? Some varieties can have fillers that aren't meat.
Ground beef is fine, but I've always thought those plastic tube packs were a bit suspect.
What are these plastic tube packs you speak of?
These types of packs...
Heh I've never seen mince packaged like that here. Sausage mince come like that though.
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queenliz99 wrote: »Sausage is out because of the fillers, I may be wrong about this. Plastic? Do you mean trays?
Going without good sausage seems a shame.
I don't mind the plastic wrapped ground beef trays, you can see the meat at least. The tubes are opaque so you can't see what you're getting.0 -
I could do some chubs. Good idea. Chubs is a funny name. Is chub the singular?0
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queenliz99 wrote: »Sausage is out because of the fillers, I may be wrong about this. Plastic? Do you mean trays?
Going without good sausage seems a shame.
I don't mind the plastic wrapped ground beef trays, you can see the meat at least. The tubes are opaque so you can't see what you're getting.
I've always found that kind of packaging suspect, we don't see it here very often anymore. Except at the local butcher shop. I trust them though. Fabulous meats there, but expensive.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I could do some chubs. Good idea. Chubs is a funny name. Is chub the singular?
Hmmm chub wrapped in plastic. Sounds safe
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nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Sausage is out because of the fillers, I may be wrong about this. Plastic? Do you mean trays?
Going without good sausage seems a shame.
I don't mind the plastic wrapped ground beef trays, you can see the meat at least. The tubes are opaque so you can't see what you're getting.
I've always found that kind of packaging suspect, we don't see it here very often anymore. Except at the local butcher shop. I trust them though. Fabulous meats there, but expensive.
The International Market where I used to live did their own in-house packs, ground on site. The packs were clear so you could see the meat before you bought it. I liked that since there wasn't any styrofoam waste.
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You can survive but it is not healthy. It will really *kitten* up your system and your body will go into a survival mode. Just read about what happens when your body has no carbs. There are serious risks.0
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I had plans to try something like this already, except I am still including coconut oil and some eggs.
Oh I'm glad you're here. I'm genuinely curious why people try something like this? I know you're a huge proponent of keto and how beneficial its been for you. What's the draw for something even more extreme like this? Are you hoping for accelerated weight loss? Some change in your health markers? Ive been struggling go understand the appeal and potential benefits of this, other than bragging rights, and while I don't always agree with your logic I know that you have strong convictions about your LCHF lifestyle so I'm sure yo are trying to avhieve something with this.0 -
I'm pretty sure a month is long enough to start showing the early symptoms of scurvy. Probably not long for any of your teeth to fall out, but you might find any cuts you get are slow to heal. You can get some vitamin C from liver. Or central nervous system tissue--but I'd rather run a fairly high risk of scurvy than a remote risk of "mad cow." Probably not rational, since I still eat ground beef, but there you are.
I so don't get why you would do this just because somebody issued a challenge. Is she going to pay you a thousand dollars?0 -
I have a very close friend that followed the meat only diet and still largely does. It's been about a year now. Initially, she only did meat (always cooked). She mostly did chicken because of cost. She went through a horrid detox rash for about a month after she started. Once the rash went away she didn't have anymore uncomfortable symptoms. She had been struggling and counting calories, etc. and happened on the Andersons (I think that's who it is) blog and got intrigued. Initially, she had decided to only do it for 90 days. She was so happy with it she kept on. She lost the 40#'s she'd been trying to lose and has kept it off. Now she has added a few more proteins/fats. I know she does eggs and oils now and once in awhile she'll do some cheese but mostly she stays away from that even.
After her being happy with it, I tried it for about a week. I do not like chicken all that much and could not bring myself to eat it. I wanted steak. Period. Which was fine when we first got our cow butchered but the family wasn't too happy I was eating all of their steaks. ;-) In the end, I just couldn't do it. I like variety too much and I wasn't willing to spend the kind of money it would take for me to have steak everyday (because that's all I wanted).
I think doing this type of "diet" requires a certain personality. I just couldn't do it, but I don't knock her success with it. Thus far, it's been good for my friend. It will be interesting to see long term what happens.1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
No, I will include some coconut oil amd eggs. I'll skip dairy because I find I tend to do better without much and my cheese consumption is creeping up. I'll see how it goes. I enjoy veggies so it could get old. If so, I'll stop.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I had plans to try something like this already, except I am still including coconut oil and some eggs.
Oh I'm glad you're here. I'm genuinely curious why people try something like this? I know you're a huge proponent of keto and how beneficial its been for you. What's the draw for something even more extreme like this? Are you hoping for accelerated weight loss? Some change in your health markers? Ive been struggling go understand the appeal and potential benefits of this, other than bragging rights, and while I don't always agree with your logic I know that you have strong convictions about your LCHF lifestyle so I'm sure yo are trying to avhieve something with this.
For me, it is partially curiosity, There are a few low carbers on MFP who eat virtually an all meat diet. They've discussed how it made them feel even better. Better energy, better stomach issues, better weight loss and stability, and the cooking is simple. LOL I felt a lot better going keto. It's why I have stayed with it. I wonder if I will feel even better after cutting out veggies... As it is, there are many veggies I avoid due to stomach pain, bloating and gas. I do find that the fewer plant products I eat, the better I have felt so far. This is just taking it a bit further.
I would enjoy seeing a bit of weight loss but I am a size 8 so I am pretty happy with where I am. I now eat quite a bit for a sedentary woman (about 2000-2500kcal per day) so I doubt I'll lose. If I do it will be because my appetite dips and I eat less, or it increases my CO, or a combination of the two.
As for health markers, I wouldn't mind seeing lower FBG numbers and lower insulin, but that's about it. My health markers are fine and don't need improving.
It is just some experimenting. I'll see how it makes me feel and if that is worth the expected food boredom. Who knows, I may enjoy it. I enjoy a keto diet much more than most people seem to expect, so maybe this will agree with me too.
It isn't about bragging rights. I doubt I will even tell anybody (IRL) I am doing it besides my husband. I don't need the support or judgement from others. Most people can't wrap their heads around this idea. I think it is sort of like vegetarianism or veganism was viewed 30 or so years ago. It is largely misunderstood.0 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »I'm pretty sure a month is long enough to start showing the early symptoms of scurvy. Probably not long for any of your teeth to fall out, but you might find any cuts you get are slow to heal. You can get some vitamin C from liver. Or central nervous system tissue--but I'd rather run a fairly high risk of scurvy than a remote risk of "mad cow." Probably not rational, since I still eat ground beef, but there you are.
I so don't get why you would do this just because somebody issued a challenge. Is she going to pay you a thousand dollars?
There is vitamin C in meats. Just eat it rare.0
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