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Can one live on only meat?
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queenliz99 wrote: »@queenliz99 I think both, or either. I know rare beef still retains some vitamin content...at least that seems to be the common opinion.
But are you saying the vitamins and minerals that come from raw meat retains more vitamins than rare meat? I would need to know the daily breakdown of numbers of how eating it raw is so much superior to rare. Wouldn't there be a health issue like E. Coli too?
That's kind of my question too. The understanding seems to be that heat destroys vitamins. So following that logic, one could deduce that raw meat would retain more vitamins than rare, but I haven't been able to find anything showing the difference.
When you say common opinion, what do you mean? Because if optimal health can be achieved eating raw meat then there should be some actual numbers somewhere. A breakdown. Again, whose common opinion do you mean?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Liz, if you want to do your FB friend one better, how about an all raw meat diet? http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/oct/02/raw-meat-mono-diet-nutritionists-comment
I'm not sure if I want to challenge her, she is wicked
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@queenliz99 The thought of a meat challenge that wouldn't allow a meat lover's pizza gives me a sad. It would be bad for my mental health.
Scrape the meat off the pizza crust, it seems sacrilegious.0 -
Raw meat, parasites. Is that going to be a problem for you? What do you do about that if you have to eat fresh raw meat? I've always wondered about this with people who eat raw meat and fish.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the blog that is recommending letting raw meat go rancid before eating it...
Not sure if I like that idea either. How rancid do they mean? The smell must be gagging.0 -
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »@queenliz99 I think both, or either. I know rare beef still retains some vitamin content...at least that seems to be the common opinion.
But are you saying the vitamins and minerals that come from raw meat retains more vitamins than rare meat? I would need to know the daily breakdown of numbers of how eating it raw is so much superior to rare. Wouldn't there be a health issue like E. Coli too?
That's kind of my question too. The understanding seems to be that heat destroys vitamins. So following that logic, one could deduce that raw meat would retain more vitamins than rare, but I haven't been able to find anything showing the difference.
When you say common opinion, what do you mean? Because if optimal health can be achieved eating raw meat then there should be some actual numbers somewhere. A breakdown. Again, whose common opinion do you mean?
Common opinion of people in forums who proclaim to eat all or mostly eat meat. I am not making any claims other than from what I understand, (read what I have been told by lay people) for people who eat only meat, most vitamins come from meat cooked very little. I believe rare meat falls in that category.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »@queenliz99 I think both, or either. I know rare beef still retains some vitamin content...at least that seems to be the common opinion.
But are you saying the vitamins and minerals that come from raw meat retains more vitamins than rare meat? I would need to know the daily breakdown of numbers of how eating it raw is so much superior to rare. Wouldn't there be a health issue like E. Coli too?
That's kind of my question too. The understanding seems to be that heat destroys vitamins. So following that logic, one could deduce that raw meat would retain more vitamins than rare, but I haven't been able to find anything showing the difference.
When you say common opinion, what do you mean? Because if optimal health can be achieved eating raw meat then there should be some actual numbers somewhere. A breakdown. Again, whose common opinion do you mean?
Common opinion of people in forums who proclaim to eat all or mostly eat meat. I am not making any claims other than from what I understand, (read what I have been told by lay people) for people who eat only meat, most vitamins come from meat cooked very little. I believe rare meat falls in that category.
So maybe I'm naive, but I'm trying to imagine if it is safe to consume raw meat? Beef carpaccio and tartare is raw, but it usually is served with lemon juice, but I don't know if that is for flavoring or if there is something in the citric acid that does "cure" the meat in a similar way to ceviche?
Are there other meats which can be consumed raw? Pork? Chicken? Lamb? I certainly wouldn't think so.
Sushi grade fish, I know the OP's challenge was beef only, but if it were "all meat" would fish/sushi be allowed?
I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around if it is safe to even consume raw meat, let alone if you would get appropriate micronutrients from it.
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Has anyone asked the question of "WHY"? Why does your friend want to do this OP? Is it because they are trying to prove a point? Do they dislike plants that much? Why would anyone choose to do this? Saying you CAN get adequate nutrition from something doesn't mean it is you SHOULD do, are people saying that they believe this diet is superior? Or is it simply a bragging rights kind of thing - like a Man Vs Food type challenge.
I'm truly asking - if there is a LCHF person on here that participates in these kind of challenges, I would genuinely be interested in the "why".0 -
Some seriously dangerous parasitical worm eggs will be consumed by eating fresh raw fish and meats.
Beware.0 -
The Guardian article I linked warned most strongly against raw chicken, and I would not do raw pork (rational or not, I'm skeered of trichinosis).0
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »@queenliz99 I think both, or either. I know rare beef still retains some vitamin content...at least that seems to be the common opinion.
But are you saying the vitamins and minerals that come from raw meat retains more vitamins than rare meat? I would need to know the daily breakdown of numbers of how eating it raw is so much superior to rare. Wouldn't there be a health issue like E. Coli too?
That's kind of my question too. The understanding seems to be that heat destroys vitamins. So following that logic, one could deduce that raw meat would retain more vitamins than rare, but I haven't been able to find anything showing the difference.
When you say common opinion, what do you mean? Because if optimal health can be achieved eating raw meat then there should be some actual numbers somewhere. A breakdown. Again, whose common opinion do you mean?
Common opinion of people in forums who proclaim to eat all or mostly eat meat. I am not making any claims other than from what I understand, (read what I have been told by lay people) for people who eat only meat, most vitamins come from meat cooked very little. I believe rare meat falls in that category.
Hmm, lay people. Did you see that person's meals and what they looked like everyday and if it added up to the appropriate nutrients? That would be really cool if you did.
Maybe I will challenge my friend to only raw meat. I suppose I would have to freeze it small bite size chunks so I could get it past my gullet.
ETA: The 30 Days of Bacon sounds like fun too.0 -
Omnivore here. Same statement I make in vegan threads, except for ethical considerations. So why?0
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »@queenliz99 I think both, or either. I know rare beef still retains some vitamin content...at least that seems to be the common opinion.
But are you saying the vitamins and minerals that come from raw meat retains more vitamins than rare meat? I would need to know the daily breakdown of numbers of how eating it raw is so much superior to rare. Wouldn't there be a health issue like E. Coli too?
That's kind of my question too. The understanding seems to be that heat destroys vitamins. So following that logic, one could deduce that raw meat would retain more vitamins than rare, but I haven't been able to find anything showing the difference.
When you say common opinion, what do you mean? Because if optimal health can be achieved eating raw meat then there should be some actual numbers somewhere. A breakdown. Again, whose common opinion do you mean?
Common opinion of people in forums who proclaim to eat all or mostly eat meat. I am not making any claims other than from what I understand, (read what I have been told by lay people) for people who eat only meat, most vitamins come from meat cooked very little. I believe rare meat falls in that category.
Hmm, lay people. Did you see that person's meals and what they looked like everyday and if it added up to the appropriate nutrients? That would be really cool if you did.
Maybe I will challenge my friend to only raw meat. I suppose I would have to freeze it small bite size chunks so I could get it past my gullet.
No. Again, I am making no claim to their veracity. I'm pretty sure the USDA has nutritional information for raw meat if you're interested. I am searching for the vitamin content for beef cooked at various temperatures. I haven't found that yet.0 -
I've always thought the Eskimo diet was interesting for its lack of fruits and veggies. Not for me, but I guess it can be done. Anyone have any thoughtful criticism of this?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/450725-eskimo-diet-heart-disease/0 -
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sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I've always thought the Eskimo diet was interesting for its lack of fruits and veggies. Not for me, but I guess it can be done. Anyone have any thoughtful criticism of this?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/450725-eskimo-diet-heart-disease/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/eskimo-myth_b_5268420.html0 -
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WinoGelato wrote: »
It's not meat. It's from vegetables. I believe no coconut oil either. Nada. Just meat.
I think it needs to be fatty meat.0 -
Raw meat, parasites. Is that going to be a problem for you? What do you do about that if you have to eat fresh raw meat? I've always wondered about this with people who eat raw meat and fish.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the blog that is recommending letting raw meat go rancid before eating it...
Stuff like that is a delicacy in some places.0 -
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stevencloser wrote: »Raw meat, parasites. Is that going to be a problem for you? What do you do about that if you have to eat fresh raw meat? I've always wondered about this with people who eat raw meat and fish.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the blog that is recommending letting raw meat go rancid before eating it...
Stuff like that is a delicacy in some places.
The idea is ludicrous! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surströmming0 -
Liz...you will be OK for a month, in my opinion. Many indigenous Arctic cultures survived and thrived for millennia on diets of primarily whale, seal and bear meat, and in winter, rotted fish, with a growing season of barely two months to provide any kind of vegetation. This is well-documented: Google "Indigenous Arctic diets".
The real question is, "Will you lose any weight?".
No, the real question is, "How many types of vitamin/mineral deficiencies can you acquire?" Those cultures may have lived for millennia on meat but have one of the lowest lifespans of modern man.
"Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.1…"
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-are-the-inuit-healthy.html0 -
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queenliz99 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
It's not meat. It's from vegetables. I believe no coconut oil either. Nada. Just meat.
I think it needs to be fatty meat.
I would think it would have to be.
I am assuming no coffee either since that's not meatsy.
I will need a clarification because coffee0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Raw meat, parasites. Is that going to be a problem for you? What do you do about that if you have to eat fresh raw meat? I've always wondered about this with people who eat raw meat and fish.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the blog that is recommending letting raw meat go rancid before eating it...
Stuff like that is a delicacy in some places.
The idea is ludicrous! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surströmming
You have to open outside!!! Lol0 -
Why? Even very low carb programs emphasis veggies. I'm a firm believer in protein...but not to the exclusion of everything else. I would say challenge not accepted.0
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I remember a wife swap episode many years ago which one family ate raw meat and then would let it "cure" by putting it in a mason jar and let it go rancid. They considered it a special treat. I am pretty sure I threw up in my mouth while watching that episode.
This whole thread is making me throw up in my mouth a bit. Drinking blood, eating raw meat, eating rancid meat.... yuck, yuck, and more yuck. I really love meat of all kinds, but if I had to eat only meat for a month, I do believe it would turn me off to eating meat for a long time afterward.1 -
I can't believe their are people who never eat raw meat. Thinly sliced beef with a raw egg on top (I had in Korea, can't recall the name) or kitfo (no citrus, but hella spices) is like heaven. Now I want kitfo again. QQ0
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