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While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/3 -
Ketosis doesn't change your metabolism, extra protein's effect on TEF is laughable, and what Tobias posted.
"On the basis of a meta-analysis, it was concluded that the thermic effect of food increases 7 kcal/1000 kcal of ingested food for each increase of 10 percentage points in the percentage of energy from protein. Thus, if a subject is instructed to consume a 1500-kcal/d energy-restricted diet with 35% of energy from protein, then the thermic effect of food will be 21 kcal/d higher than if protein contributes only 15% of the dietary energy. "
http://saudeemovimento.net.br/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/467_IS_CALORIE_A_CALORIE.PDF3 -
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melissalatzel25 wrote: »we are frugivores by design, so knock yourself out... check mango island mama for inspo! youtube .... and instgram "hclf"
We are not frugivores, nor were we designed. We evolved to be omnivores.5 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
You like clearly state "Yes, metabolic rate (the amount of calories burnt a day) does vary between people." Which is what I said. It seems you are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about.
You link goes to trying to trivialize a 200 kc to 300 kc typical difference and also admits much larger difference occur. Well 200 kc / day is 21 pounds of fat a year by the CICO model.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Ketosis doesn't change your metabolism, extra protein's effect on TEF is laughable, and what Tobias posted.
"On the basis of a meta-analysis, it was concluded that the thermic effect of food increases 7 kcal/1000 kcal of ingested food for each increase of 10 percentage points in the percentage of energy from protein. Thus, if a subject is instructed to consume a 1500-kcal/d energy-restricted diet with 35% of energy from protein, then the thermic effect of food will be 21 kcal/d higher than if protein contributes only 15% of the dietary energy. "
http://saudeemovimento.net.br/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/467_IS_CALORIE_A_CALORIE.PDF
Your link isn't even valid. The energy costs of using protein depends on what the body does with it. Protein isn't a very good source of glucose although the body can use it.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/3/519.full
Going into ketosis is a huge metabolic change. Claiming it isn't doesn't change anything. The whole point of ketosis is to force the body to depend on burning fat and to reduce the insulin being produced. It is all about metabolism.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Ketosis doesn't change your metabolism, extra protein's effect on TEF is laughable, and what Tobias posted.
"On the basis of a meta-analysis, it was concluded that the thermic effect of food increases 7 kcal/1000 kcal of ingested food for each increase of 10 percentage points in the percentage of energy from protein. Thus, if a subject is instructed to consume a 1500-kcal/d energy-restricted diet with 35% of energy from protein, then the thermic effect of food will be 21 kcal/d higher than if protein contributes only 15% of the dietary energy. "
http://saudeemovimento.net.br/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/467_IS_CALORIE_A_CALORIE.PDF
As typical your link isn't even valid. The energy costs of using protein depends on what the body does with it. Protein isn't a very good source of glucose although the body can use it.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/3/519.full
Going into ketosis is a huge metabolic change. Claiming it isn't doesn't change anything. The whole point of ketosis is to force the body to depend on burning fat and to reduce the insulin being produced. It is all about metabolism.
Wrong again
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.full&ved=0ahUKEwiC4sTplIzOAhVH2IMKHZPICr8QFggkMAA&usg=AFQjCNGPM2iUvPpy_IQQZdOkGb5pILxCLw&sig2=1qkiKqm9Iw3mD5JdL5X_1Q
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FunkyTobias wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Ketosis doesn't change your metabolism, extra protein's effect on TEF is laughable, and what Tobias posted.
"On the basis of a meta-analysis, it was concluded that the thermic effect of food increases 7 kcal/1000 kcal of ingested food for each increase of 10 percentage points in the percentage of energy from protein. Thus, if a subject is instructed to consume a 1500-kcal/d energy-restricted diet with 35% of energy from protein, then the thermic effect of food will be 21 kcal/d higher than if protein contributes only 15% of the dietary energy. "
http://saudeemovimento.net.br/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/467_IS_CALORIE_A_CALORIE.PDF
As typical your link isn't even valid. The energy costs of using protein depends on what the body does with it. Protein isn't a very good source of glucose although the body can use it.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/3/519.full
Going into ketosis is a huge metabolic change. Claiming it isn't doesn't change anything. The whole point of ketosis is to force the body to depend on burning fat and to reduce the insulin being produced. It is all about metabolism.
Wrong again
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.full&ved=0ahUKEwiC4sTplIzOAhVH2IMKHZPICr8QFggkMAA&usg=AFQjCNGPM2iUvPpy_IQQZdOkGb5pILxCLw&sig2=1qkiKqm9Iw3mD5JdL5X_1Q
Metabolic advantage is different than metabolism. The action of changing the fuel source mostly used is a metabolic change. In ketosis even the brain is force to get up to 70% of its fuel form ketones. Claiming ketosis isn't a change in metabolism clearly indicates a lack of understanding what metabolism is.
The reason all calories aren't equal is there are many different metabolic pathways in the body with different costs and tradeoffs. Many of these we have no control over. Ketosis is an example of where a diet change which metabolic pathways are being used to what degree.
For a long time people have been claiming that there was additional advantages with ketosis other than primary burning fat. The data is confusing because when the body switches over to ketosis large amounts of glycogen are consumed releasing a lot of water. That gives an initial large weight loss, that is only temporary until the body is no longer in ketosis. Studies like the one you referenced there actually isn't an advantage in energy expenditure. However that doesn't mean there isn't other metabolic changes going on, such as reducing insulin resistance.
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FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
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WinoGelato wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
Pure comedy gold. It is entertaining to watch yet another person spend page after page saying what boils down to "it can't be done" while arguing with those doing the very thing he's saying can't be done. Epic hand wringing. Some people love their excuses.5 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
You like clearly state "Yes, metabolic rate (the amount of calories burnt a day) does vary between people." Which is what I said. It seems you are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about.
You link goes to trying to trivialize a 200 kc to 300 kc typical difference and also admits much larger difference occur. Well 200 kc / day is 21 pounds of fat a year by the CICO model.
The human body does not gain or lose fat in such a linear fashion...1 -
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
CICO is just an energy equation. It governs all you mentioned. All boils down to CICO. Always...1 -
There’s what is, and then there’s the story we create about what is…0
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WinoGelato wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
Let's not forget basic arithmetic.1 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
Pure comedy gold. It is entertaining to watch yet another person spend page after page saying what boils down to "it can't be done" while arguing with those doing the very thing he's saying can't be done. Epic hand wringing. Some people love their excuses.
I never said anything of the sort. However that doesn't excuse the misinformation being brandied about.
There many people that achieve weight success it is just most people aren't successful and I would warrant that is even true here. In the modern world most people have the deck stacked against them and many aren't even aware of it.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
Pure comedy gold. It is entertaining to watch yet another person spend page after page saying what boils down to "it can't be done" while arguing with those doing the very thing he's saying can't be done. Epic hand wringing. Some people love their excuses.
I never said anything of the sort. However that doesn't excuse the misinformation being brandied about.
There many people that achieve weight success it is just most people aren't successful and I would warrant that is even true here. In the modern world most people have the deck stacked against them and many aren't even aware of it.
The only deck stacked against them, is their inability to understand and apply basic math. Everything else would just fall under terrible willpower, which is not the fault of food.1 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
You like clearly state "Yes, metabolic rate (the amount of calories burnt a day) does vary between people." Which is what I said. It seems you are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about.
You link goes to trying to trivialize a 200 kc to 300 kc typical difference and also admits much larger difference occur. Well 200 kc / day is 21 pounds of fat a year by the CICO model.
The human body does not gain or lose fat in such a linear fashion...
You can't have it both ways, either it counts or it doesn't.
In fact you are correct the human body isn't linear and metabolism is very complex and is also tied to the calories consumed. That is the fundament problem with CICO, it doesn't account for the fact that the body is always making adjuments to the energy being used. At best CICO is a guide. In someways it is the best thing we have but in others it is greatly abused becase people expect it to be a linear system.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
Pure comedy gold. It is entertaining to watch yet another person spend page after page saying what boils down to "it can't be done" while arguing with those doing the very thing he's saying can't be done. Epic hand wringing. Some people love their excuses.
I never said anything of the sort. However that doesn't excuse the misinformation being brandied about.
There many people that achieve weight success it is just most people aren't successful and I would warrant that is even true here. In the modern world most people have the deck stacked against them and many aren't even aware of it.
The only deck stacked against them, is their inability to understand and apply basic math. Everything else would just fall under terrible willpower, which is not the fault of food.
Not true at all. At least in the states labelling can be very deceptive at worst and confusing at best. For example typically only total sugar is reported on a label. One has know the many names used for added sugar and read ingredients to get a sense of how much added sugar there is or do some kind of comparisons.
Another example is products that advertise they are a good source of OMEGA-3 fats, like some sliced breads, but one would have to eat over a 150 slices a week to get enough OMEGA-3 fats. Hardly a good source.
While it is possible for people to learn, the readily available information is highly obfuscated.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
Pure comedy gold. It is entertaining to watch yet another person spend page after page saying what boils down to "it can't be done" while arguing with those doing the very thing he's saying can't be done. Epic hand wringing. Some people love their excuses.
I never said anything of the sort. However that doesn't excuse the misinformation being brandied about.
There many people that achieve weight success it is just most people aren't successful and I would warrant that is even true here. In the modern world most people have the deck stacked against them and many aren't even aware of it.
I guess the group you're speaking with are just generic anomalies. You haven't been consistent or accurate with anything you've said, not the mention the ignoring evidence part of the program. It's a shame because people fail when they fall for this type of misinformation.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »
While the smaller packaging probably is more profitable, the main ways companies profit is by using very cheap ingredients, which is why HFCS became so popular. Even sugar as rule is a lot cheaper to work with than fat. That is why we end up with abusrd guidelines like 25% of calories a day from added sugars is part of a balanced diet. Processed food companies can afford to a spend a lot to get the the guideline twisted to their liking and there is a long history of that happening.
Example ad with Coke pushing CISOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbl35MGTys
CICO is just about energy balance but it doesn't tell anything about how humans actually work. When calaries are dropped a common and even likely senerio is the body responds by lowering its metabolism. Then people feel miserable and they give up on the diet and end up gaining back more weight than they lost. That is the most common outcome of dieting.
Not all calories have the same impacts on our bodies. Processed food companies are always saying things like "all calories count" and trying to make it just about energy. However it isn't just about energy, it is really about metabolism because what you eat changes your metabolism.
There are many examples of eating different foods to change metabolism; ketosis based diets, high protein diets (since protein takes more engery to process), GI/GL based diets and a host of other approaches. There is now a lot of research showing negative impacts of sweeten beverages and other foods. CICO assumes everything is constant, but it isn't.
CICO is valid, but it only give a small part of the whole picture. The human body is very dynamic and highly variable between people. When a diet is sound and modifications aren't too extreme, then CICO is a valuable tool.
Please stop talking about things you don't understand.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/
So far that list seems to include:
How sugar is processed in the body
What ice cream is made of
Parental influence over children's diets
CICO
Basic economics
Metabolism
Ketosis
I can't wait to see what other gems this thread delivers...
Pure comedy gold. It is entertaining to watch yet another person spend page after page saying what boils down to "it can't be done" while arguing with those doing the very thing he's saying can't be done. Epic hand wringing. Some people love their excuses.
I never said anything of the sort. However that doesn't excuse the misinformation being brandied about.
There many people that achieve weight success it is just most people aren't successful and I would warrant that is even true here. In the modern world most people have the deck stacked against them and many aren't even aware of it.
I guess the group you're speaking with are just generic anomalies.
I don't know what people that hide behind fake pictures are. But in general the people here are a very small segment of the world's population.0
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