Allowed to be armed on Campus
With all the crazy crap going on in the US, one of the agendas being brought to attention is the discussion of college students being able to be armed on campus. Idaho does it now.
My opinion: I don't think I'd feel okay with my DD attending a college where this is allowed. I understand the "why", but I still wouldn't feel comfortable.
http://www.armedcampuses.org/idaho/
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My opinion: I don't think I'd feel okay with my DD attending a college where this is allowed. I understand the "why", but I still wouldn't feel comfortable.
http://www.armedcampuses.org/idaho/
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I'm from Idaho. We carried on campus before that was passed. A sign or designated zone doesn't stop people.8
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More guns fixes the problems
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Karb_Kween wrote: »More guns fixes the problems
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Look where all the mass shootings happen. Oh weird, most of them happen places where guns aren't allowed. Because criminals don't seem to care about "You can't have guns here" for some reason.7 -
For me, I think it would depend on how it was regulated. For instance, I have a concealed carry permit, so I know (at least in my state) what it takes to obtain one, so I would be fairly comfortable with those who have that permit. I don't think that just any college student who wants to carry a gun, should.9
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jennifer_417 wrote: »For me, I think it would depend on how it was regulated. For instance, I have a concealed carry permit, so I know (at least in my state) what it takes to obtain one, so I would be fairly comfortable with those who have that permit. I don't think that just any college student who wants to carry a gun, should.
I agree with this.4 -
Unfortunately many criminals obtained their guns legally (when they were law abiding/sane citizens & have been executing their family, such as: Christy Sheats), some were stolen from legal gun owners, etc. Until these can be reasonably prevented, I can't vouch for gun ownership.0
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FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.2 -
With all the crazy crap going on in the US, one of the agendas being brought to attention is the discussion of college students being able to be armed on campus. Idaho does it now.
My opinion: I don't think I'd feel okay with my DD attending a college where this is allowed. I understand the "why", but I still wouldn't feel comfortable.
http://www.armedcampuses.org/idaho/
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There should be a box of guns at the gate of every airport. Before you board a plane you need to grab a gun out of the box.0 -
FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.0 -
FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.
You do realize that there are thousands of people walking around armed and never pull out their gun? Why would a campus be different than the rest of society? Anyone that shots because of an insult or without a life threatening situation is not a sane person.
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If students had been concealed-carrying on VA tech, would have been fewer casualties.5
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FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.
You do realize that there are thousands of people walking around armed and never pull out their gun? Why would a campus be different than the rest of society? Anyone that shots because of an insult or without a life threatening situation is not a sane person.
It could be a situation, in which they "snap" but since this topic was particularly concerning Campuses, I continued by elaborating upon that but this also occurs when terrible sudden/unexpected events happen as well. When a spouse asks for a divorce, someone loses their job, etc. are known to lead, to these snapping moments.0 -
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FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
Unfortunately that will LITERALLY NEVER HAPPEN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
There are more guns than people in the good ol' US of A.2 -
And if you think a good ol "Let's just make owning guns illegal solution" will work. Look at what the "War on Drugs" did for drugs and what the "War on Terror" did for terror.4
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FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the population is in enough control of their faculties not to just shoot anyone who annoys them.3 -
Hey_Its_That_One_Guy wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
Unfortunately that will LITERALLY NEVER HAPPEN.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
There are more guns than people in the good ol' US of A.
I agreeHey_Its_That_One_Guy wrote: »And if you think a good ol "Let's just make owning guns illegal solution" will work. Look at what the "War on Drugs" did for drugs and what the "War on Terror" did for terror.
Well thus far military weaponry (nuclear bomb, etc.), have been kept out of our country's public hands but I am aware that just making something illegal won't work, just like prohibition didn't.0 -
jennifer_417 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the population is in enough control of their faculties not to just shoot anyone who annoys them.
Considering how many people're known, to legally have guns; that's undeniable.1 -
Hey_Its_That_One_Guy wrote: »Karb_Kween wrote: »More guns fixes the problems
Yeah
Look where all the mass shootings happen. Oh weird, most of them happen places where guns aren't allowed. Because criminals don't seem to care about "You can't have guns here" for some reason.
I thought most of them happened in the USA where guns are allowed though? Or am I missing your point?2 -
Hey_Its_That_One_Guy wrote: »Karb_Kween wrote: »More guns fixes the problems
Yeah
Look where all the mass shootings happen. Oh weird, most of them happen places where guns aren't allowed. Because criminals don't seem to care about "You can't have guns here" for some reason.
I thought most of them happened in the USA where guns are allowed though? Or am I missing your point?
Most of the shootings in the US happen in locations where weapons are not allowed like schools, movie theaters, government buildings, nightclubs, .... Businesses are free to restrict weapons and they re not allowed in schools and goverment buildings for the most part.0 -
jennifer_417 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.
I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the population is in enough control of their faculties not to just shoot anyone who annoys them.
Also, college students are higher IQ and therefore have more impulse control. Also, by virtue of the fact that they've made their way to college, they have more to lose and would think twice before doing anything so stupid.
I disagree concerning impulse control, the brain isn't fully developed until approximately our mid 20's. Peer pressure, underage drinking, alcohol/drug abuse, hazing/bullying, sexual assaults're all frequent incidents, among college students.0 -
Remember a week or two ago when the open carry folks turned tail and ran when someone shot at the police? And how the police weren't sure who to arrest?
Real life experiences are far more complex than talking on the internet.1 -
Here is where I agree. We're not talking about adults with fully developed brains making decisions while fully understanding the consequences. We're speaking of 18-24 year olds. What if someone is drunk or high? Many times killings happen based on emotional trauma or distress.FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.
Also my concern would be, if any gun discharged occurred, even if it was to protect others, who's to say those shots don't injure innocents because they missed the intended target?
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I am allowed to carry a concealed firearm in accordance with my states laws. I have proven myself to be free from all violent actions, drug and alcohol chargers, I've never had a warrant out for my arrest, and I've never had a restraining order against me.
I've passed my Background check with my local sheriffs office and I've passed a background check through the FBI.
My Finger Prints are on record with the local PD, Sheriff, and FBI.
My question(s) to you is- Can you say that about everyone else that your DD is hanging around with?
- Why would you want your DD not around someone who has proven themselves to be an upstanding citizen in society.
and with ISIS attacks being up, lone wolf attacks being up, why wouldn't you want armed good guys around to help stomp these terrorist back into the sandholes from which they came.5 -
MissusMoon wrote: »Remember a week or two ago when the open carry folks turned tail and ran when someone shot at the police? And how the police weren't sure who to arrest?
Real life experiences are far more complex than talking on the internet.
He didn't tuck tail and run. He went to the PD and turned his gun in until everything was done and over with the PD to show he wasn't a threat.8 -
FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
You're right. It's working well in France and Germany. The reality is that this is a rather complex area and it's not made any easier by researcher bias. I'm personally of the opinion that concealed carry permits are a great idea but they need to have mandatory range time. It is far more difficult to hit a target under pressure than many people seem to believe.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
You're right. It's working well in France and Germany. The reality is that this is a rather complex area and it's not made any easier by researcher bias. I'm personally of the opinion that concealed carry permits are a great idea but they need to have mandatory range time. It is far more difficult to hit a target under pressure than many people seem to believe.
Range time doesn't equal stressful environment. You need to take Level II training and sometimes up to level III training to really get your HR up and get your nerves working.
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Here is where I agree. We're not talking about adults with fully developed brains making decisions while fully understanding the consequences. We're speaking of 18-24 year olds. What if someone is drunk or high? Many times killings happen based on emotional trauma or distress.FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
He wasn't allowed to be armed yet he was armed how would allowing campus carry change this situation? Maybe I misunderstand what you are saying.
Obviously the Virginia Tech assailant, planned his crime but if a student with the same motives, doesn't take the opportunity to think twice before acting; an instantaneous decision could occur more often. Meaning that a law abiding/sane student could walk in with no intention of intentionally harming someone but then lose their temper & then do so because of an insult, directed at them.
Also my concern would be, if any gun discharged occurred, even if it was to protect others, who's to say those shots don't injure innocents because they missed the intended target?
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And yet we took 18 year olds and let them die in Afghanistan. I'm not a fan of our age system for criminal responsibility, drinking, etc. and would prefer that we stop taking rights away from adults.1 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »FridayApril01st2016 wrote: »
You're right. It's working well in France and Germany. The reality is that this is a rather complex area and it's not made any easier by researcher bias. I'm personally of the opinion that concealed carry permits are a great idea but they need to have mandatory range time. It is far more difficult to hit a target under pressure than many people seem to believe.
Range time doesn't equal stressful environment. You need to take Level II training and sometimes up to level III training to really get your HR up and get your nerves working.
I don't disagree.0
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