If calories is a calorie-what's the issue with Sugar then? how to reduce intake? HELP!
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Ha ha ha! This is good entertainment! All I know is that when I'm on a sugar binge, nothing else substitutes, and when I eat a lot of sugar (and I mean a lot), I get fat.
However, when I'm out running/hiking/skiing/whatever for 4+ hours and start to fade, sugar brings me right back. "Quick energy" as my mom used to say. There's something that helps muscles recover faster with insulin, but I am definitely not qualified to say anything about it as I'm only a beginner in this chemistry lesson, too!
Simple question. What do you eat when you are on those sugar binges? Do you just spoon sugar into your mouth?2 -
Ha ha ha! This is good entertainment! All I know is that when I'm on a sugar binge, nothing else substitutes, and when I eat a lot of sugar (and I mean a lot), I get fat.
However, when I'm out running/hiking/skiing/whatever for 4+ hours and start to fade, sugar brings me right back. "Quick energy" as my mom used to say. There's something that helps muscles recover faster with insulin, but I am definitely not qualified to say anything about it as I'm only a beginner in this chemistry lesson, too!
Dextrose, maltadextrin and glucose are the fastest absorbing sugars which is generally what will help replenish glycogen the quickest. This in turn will give you quick energy.0 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
Not. Sure. If. Serious...
If people had to think before going to that section of the grocery store, maybe they'd make better food choices overall.
So are you saying that in every grocery store in the world, there is a section of "bad food choices" and a section of "good food choices"? And the bad stuff is always in the middle?
Might want to give this a read...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10437023/whats-on-the-perimeter-in-your-grocery-store/p1
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »I think if they made people have to stop and think when crossing into the nutrition desert of the center aisles, that might make America great again, or at least make our waists not so great. They could even have passports. You'd get less pages to stamp and limit your visits for some people.
So, we should have to "stop and think" before we're allowed access to the dried beans, oats, frozen fruits and frozen vegetables? All of which are in the center aisles in my grocery store (and most others I've been to). But the cakes and ready-made meals (on the perimeter) are fine? I don't think so.
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »SusanMFindlay wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »I think if they made people have to stop and think when crossing into the nutrition desert of the center aisles, that might make America great again, or at least make our waists not so great. They could even have passports. You'd get less pages to stamp and limit your visits for some people.
So, we should have to "stop and think" before we're allowed access to the dried beans, oats, frozen fruits and frozen vegetables? All of which are in the center aisles in my grocery store (and most others I've been to). But the cakes and ready-made meals (on the perimeter) are fine? I don't think so.
Or maybe you'd have to think about what grocery store you go to if they think that's a good way to organize food.
I go to the grocery store that has the best selection of fresh produce and the best prices. There's no inherent reason to put "healthier" foods around the edges of the store. I'd be very surprised if your grocery store has oats and legumes on the edges either. Edges tend to be bakery, produce, deli and fish. Plus whatever else fits - which tends to include convenience foods since they have those right at the front to stimulate impulse buying (and near to deli so as to take advantage of the cold shelves).
We have our route that takes us past all the important sections and skip the ones we're not interested in.0 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
Not. Sure. If. Serious...
If people had to think before going to that section of the grocery store, maybe they'd make better food choices overall.
So are you saying that in every grocery store in the world, there is a section of "bad food choices" and a section of "good food choices"? And the bad stuff is always in the middle?
Might want to give this a read...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10437023/whats-on-the-perimeter-in-your-grocery-store/p1
I think if they made people have to stop and think when crossing into the nutrition desert of the center aisles, that might make America great again, or at least make our waists not so great. They could even have passports. You'd get less pages to stamp and limit your visits for some people.
What if there was an armed sentry standing at the edge of each aisle who would inspect what you put in your cart and made sure it is only oats, quinoa and dried beans, and none of that evil Hamburger Helper?
OR....
What if there was a preloaded card that everyone was given, where people could only buy "healthy" foods and you wouldn't be allowed to choose the "junk"? Wouldn't that be even more awesome?0 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »SusanMFindlay wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »SusanMFindlay wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »I think if they made people have to stop and think when crossing into the nutrition desert of the center aisles, that might make America great again, or at least make our waists not so great. They could even have passports. You'd get less pages to stamp and limit your visits for some people.
So, we should have to "stop and think" before we're allowed access to the dried beans, oats, frozen fruits and frozen vegetables? All of which are in the center aisles in my grocery store (and most others I've been to). But the cakes and ready-made meals (on the perimeter) are fine? I don't think so.
Or maybe you'd have to think about what grocery store you go to if they think that's a good way to organize food.
I go to the grocery store that has the best selection of fresh produce and the best prices. There's no inherent reason to put "healthier" foods around the edges of the store. I'd be very surprised if your grocery store has oats and legumes on the edges either. Edges tend to be bakery, produce, deli and fish. Plus whatever else fits - which tends to include convenience foods since they have those right at the front to stimulate impulse buying (and near to deli so as to take advantage of the cold shelves).
We have our route that takes us past all the important sections and skip the ones we're not interested in.
Well if you'd let me get in there and redo the grocery store, it'd be great. Real top-notch, designer quality food arrangement, let me tell ya. You'd love the lay out, I really think you would. We'd take back the impulse buys and make these diets great again.
If it's not wegmans i am not going. And they can only out so much on the outside.0 -
Simple question. What do you eat when you are on those sugar binges? Do you just spoon sugar into your mouth?
I've been known to eat brown sugar by spoon in my worst cases. But - I won't say that sugar is not an addiction for ME - and I do pay attention to it after seeing those movies! But I refuse to not have ANY - heavens, I couldn't live without brown sugar!!!0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
Not. Sure. If. Serious...
If people had to think before going to that section of the grocery store, maybe they'd make better food choices overall.
So are you saying that in every grocery store in the world, there is a section of "bad food choices" and a section of "good food choices"? And the bad stuff is always in the middle?
Might want to give this a read...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10437023/whats-on-the-perimeter-in-your-grocery-store/p1
I think if they made people have to stop and think when crossing into the nutrition desert of the center aisles, that might make America great again, or at least make our waists not so great. They could even have passports. You'd get less pages to stamp and limit your visits for some people.
What if there was an armed sentry standing at the edge of each aisle who would inspect what you put in your cart and made sure it is only oats, quinoa and dried beans, and none of that evil Hamburger Helper?
OR....
What if there was a preloaded card that everyone was given, where people could only buy "healthy" foods and you wouldn't be allowed to choose the "junk"? Wouldn't that be even more awesome?
Ration cards all over again!
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Booze and ice cream are on the outer walls of my supermarket. Good edges indeed!WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
Not. Sure. If. Serious...
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After reading this article, and being someone who is trying to learn how to eat healthy, I am starting to get confused. Is it bad to eat fruit? I will make protein shakes with frozen fruit, bananas, spinach, etc. So is eating that as bad as eating a donut or a tastykake?0
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
Not. Sure. If. Serious...
If people had to think before going to that section of the grocery store, maybe they'd make better food choices overall.
So are you saying that in every grocery store in the world, there is a section of "bad food choices" and a section of "good food choices"? And the bad stuff is always in the middle?
Might want to give this a read...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10437023/whats-on-the-perimeter-in-your-grocery-store/p1
I think if they made people have to stop and think when crossing into the nutrition desert of the center aisles, that might make America great again, or at least make our waists not so great. They could even have passports. You'd get less pages to stamp and limit your visits for some people.
Hmmm, this is starting to sound familiar. Very familiar.0 -
BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
I thought Mexico had to pay for all of the walls in the US?0 -
viren19890 wrote: »Saw a documentary "Fed up" and "Sugar Coated"
are there different types of sugar? like good sugar vs bad sugar? sugar in fruit vs sugarcane vs jaggery vs molasses vs honey?
How do I reduce my intake? -i'm not diabetic or have any one in my family or extended family suffering from it or have history of but those documentaries make me think.
I finally accepted that eating a pizza vs eating regular home made food is no different for weight loss as long as I maintain a deficit and now this?
The more I learn the more confused I get -who is right? who is wrong?
I'm not an expert but I've read that not all calories are equal because it takes a different amount of calories for your body to digest it after it's been consumed. For instance, 100 calories of carrots is not exactly the same as a 100 calorie cookie because your body will burn more calories digesting the carrots (some veggies like celery and broccoli are known to have "negative calories" because of this) so in the end, the 100 calorie carrot is a much better choice than the 100 calorie cookie... Or so I've read, but that was in just one article so who knows.0 -
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What source?viren19890 wrote: »Sugar is sugar. The body breaks it down to simplest form and absorbs it. Good carbs get broken down to sugar. Don't believe all the hype.
If sugar was really the issue to obesity, then countries that consume more than the US should also have an obesity issue, and most of them don't. Brazil as a country consumes more than the US.
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Bro, they had Brazil on the list of obesity ridden countries lol
http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/poorest-list/the-worlds-10-fattest-countries-in-2015/
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/01/23/obesity-in-world-countries-map_n_6530896.html
http://listdose.com/top-10-worlds-fattest-countries/
3 here and none show Brazil in the Top 15
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Doctors have less knowledge of nutrition than a nutritionist and a nutritionist didn't likely go to college to get a degree. If they did they would likely be a Registered Dietician.Tedebearduff wrote: »viren19890 wrote: »Saw a documentary "Fed up" and "Sugar Coated"
are there different types of sugar? like good sugar vs bad sugar? sugar in fruit vs sugarcane vs jaggery vs molasses vs honey?
How do I reduce my intake? -i'm not diabetic or have any one in my family or extended family suffering from it or have history of but those documentaries make me think.
I finally accepted that eating a pizza vs eating regular home made food is no different for weight loss as long as I maintain a deficit and now this?
The more I learn the more confused I get -who is right? who is wrong?
These message boards will just confuse you more because everyone on here thinks they're an expert... but let's be real/ logical here... if they were an expert... they wouldn't be on the message boards now would they? best of luck weeding through the BS.
Best advice I can give is speak with your doctor or go to a nutritionist.
And I'm an expert trainer on the boards with great knowledge. Are you saying that because people are on the boards they lack intelligence on the matter?
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So a question: if I have 1 liter of water and 1 liter of soda, are you saying the liter of soda isn't a liter?Raptor2763 wrote: »A calorie is NOT a calorie - THAT'S the issue.
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Fiber isn't a digestible carb. That's why it doesn't break down.BreezeDoveal wrote: »Sugar is sugar. The body breaks it down to simplest form and absorbs it. Good carbs get broken down to sugar. Don't believe all the hype.
If sugar was really the issue to obesity, then countries that consume more than the US should also have an obesity issue, and most of them don't. Brazil as a country consumes more than the US.
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I thought fiber doesn't do that. Isn't fiber a good carb?
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autumnlee59230 wrote: »After reading this article, and being someone who is trying to learn how to eat healthy, I am starting to get confused. Is it bad to eat fruit? I will make protein shakes with frozen fruit, bananas, spinach, etc. So is eating that as bad as eating a donut or a tastykake?
It's good to eat fruit. For women over 30 U.S. RDA is 1.5 cups of fruit a day. Lots of nutrients and fibre. If you mean "is the sugar in a fruit the same as a sugar in a donut", the answer is yes-ish. Fruits typically contain fructose but may also contain glucose or even sucrose (bananas and dates). Sucrose is 50% glucose & 50% fructose. Fructose is metabolized slightly differently than glucose, but close enough.
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »BreezeDoveal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think I've finally figured this out. Please excuse the rather passe or sexist analogies.
A good girl hangs out with nice, respectful, well-dressed boys who get good grades. A bad girl lurks around with the smokers who swear and drink and skip class. Both girls may be the same in terms of their own actual behavior, but they are judged by their companions.
Good sugars and bad sugars are the same, but one hangs out with fiber and lots of micros (or just looks all respectable, since those in a banana don't actually come with much fiber). The other (the bad one) hangs out with fat and calories.
It's all about judging by appearance and association!
Hmm. Or maybe it's an anti immigration thing: good sugars stay where they started out. Bad sugars go somewhere else.
I sure wish the grocery stores would build walls around the center area of store to encourage people to shop the good edges. And get Monsanto to pay for it.
Not. Sure. If. Serious...
If people had to think before going to that section of the grocery store, maybe they'd make better food choices overall.
So are you saying that in every grocery store in the world, there is a section of "bad food choices" and a section of "good food choices"? And the bad stuff is always in the middle?
Might want to give this a read...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10437023/whats-on-the-perimeter-in-your-grocery-store/p1
I think if they made people have to stop and think when crossing into the nutrition desert of the center aisles, that might make America great again, or at least make our waists not so great. They could even have passports. You'd get less pages to stamp and limit your visits for some people.
When food companies send their sugars, they're not sending you their best. They're sending sugars that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with them. They're bringing obesity. They're bringing diabetes. And they're fattening. And some, I assume, are good carbs.5 -
One problem with sugar is that it contains calories, and people often eat too many calories to maintain a healthy weight. If you are eating too many calories, cutting "bad sugar" intake (defined below) will be an easy way to lose calories from your diet without losing nutrition.
In terms of "good" sugars vs "bad" sugars, I dont really like that terminology since sugar is sugar, but it is often used so let me explain how I understand the concept: sugar is sugar, but not all sugar comes packaged the same way. If I eat an apple, it has calories from sugar but also fiber and vitamins and lots of good stuff. If I eat a handful of candy, it has calories from sugar but there is no nutrition to go with it. It is just extra calories that bring nothing to the table (other than taste of course). So, rather than good/bad sugar, I find it more helpful to think about the calories I eat today to be a budget, and some ways to spend my calories are going to give me more bang for my buck when it comes to nutrition. For every calorie I spend on nutritionally sparse food, that's less nutrients in my body. Eat nothing but candy all the time and I will feel hungry and crappy all the time because have an unhealthy diet. That being said, sometimes I eat non nutritious but caloric foods because want something with that flavor more than I need the nutrition at that moment. Or because I just want a quick injection of calories to keep me going, like during the triathlon training I'm doing. But I do that as a treat here and there, not as a major part of my diet.2
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