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Half lifting drives me crazy! and people who don't just do their sets and move along! and guys who grunt and grown to do ONE lift then spend 20 minutes walking around looking at themselves in the mirror. That's my short list.1
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fitgamercatlady wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JeffMatchett wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »Weight droppers. I hate hearing the sound through my already excessively loud music. If you're strong enough to lift it, you are strong enough to set it down.
Because I should totally have no problem setting down a 90 lb dumbbell that I need someone's help to get into proper benchpress position initially. Or I should slowly lower a massive deadlift. This might be true for people who don't lift big weights but sometimes you need to give them a break.
Dumbbells are made of rubber. They make a dull boing noise. No problem. Barbell exercises make noise. The bar and hole of the weight plate have space to make sound. The plates will hit together and make sound. No problem. People who every time, at the top of their deadlift motion, DROP the barbell like they just roasted Eminem in a rap battle and are dropping the mic are the worst kind of people.
OH. And people who drop cable weights. Wow.
try and pull a 400# max deadlift and see how lightly you can set it down ..
deadlifts, by their nature, are going to be loud...
technically, at the top of your deadlift you are supposed to RDL it and then let the weight come down to the floor after you get about knee high...not really sure how you do that with minimal noise, but I am open to suggestions..
What you said: let the weight come down to the floor after you get about knee high
This is what I said: at the top of their deadlift motion, DROP the barbell
Do you see what you're trying to defend and what I'm annoyed about? They're not the same
My friend is pretty good at not being obnoxious. Even though he drops sometimes when he's just goofing around. What he's doing in that video is not slamming. And yes I know those are some bumper plates, but he still isn't dropping it right after he straighens out.
Do you think I drop the barbell too hard? I try not to be obnoxious about it or piss people off, but the weight is heavy for me. Also, my gym has bumper plates but they're really wide and you can't fit more than 4 plates on the bar so I have to use the regular plates.
Here are my last 2 deadlift sets from yesterday: 525x3 and beltless 405x8 after 5 warm-up sets and 5 doubles at 525.1 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »carmkizzle wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »carmkizzle wrote: »BrianSharpe wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
They're not paid to be someone's maid.....if the rules of the gym (and most of them are pretty standard - you agree to them when you sign your membership agreement) include re-racking your own weights, wiping down equipment after you're used in and, in general behaving like an adult not a spoiled little brat then yes, they should get to *kitten* about it (just the same as my daughter who buses tables at a local pizza joint can complain about ignorant jerks who let their kids run around like animals or intentionally drop food on the floor etc)
did not say I do not do it...just asking if that person gets paid to keep the gym up ...because I am sure that paying members dues are supporting their pay.
(because I'm curious of your mindset) If that were the case, why does that matter?
I'm curious as to what you think their job is if it's not those things mentioned?
Why do I think it's not their job to be someone's maid, regardless if the members' dues go towards their pay? Because, it isn't their job to be someone's maid. I don't expect someone to come behind me and pick up the paper towels I threw on the floor after wiping my sweat, or throw away the empty water bottle I left behind after I finished drinking it (just an example, I don't actually do those things).
I'm an adult, I know to clean up after myself regardless of whose "job" it is to do it. Something that most of us were taught growing up. I don't think it's anyone's "job" to cater to my grown, should-know-better *kitten*.
I just thought I'd add, it makes you wonder why they place trash cans and such all around the facility. I certainly don't think it's for decorative purposes
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You still didn't answer my question. What is their job? I'm sure somewhere in their job description is verbiage similar to this: "Employees shall keep gym neat." AND "Employees shall rack any loose weights at the beginning and end of every shift."
This isn't an argument about adults knowing better and cleaning up after themselves. I'm simply trying to learn what you think the job of an employee at a gym is.
Here's a similar example from a different perspective: My gym provides clean sweat towels on a table for members to use. When finished, you put the towel in a basket filled with other sweaty towels. The employees of that gym handle those towels when placing them in a washing machine. Not really any different than picking up a sweaty paper towel and placing it in the garbage receptacle in my opinion.
You're entitled to your opinion just as I am. Good day, ma'am.
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Packerjohn wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
When you eat in a fast food place do you take your trash and put it in the garbage can or do you just leave it? Sure someone will come around and clean up after you, but it is customary in a place like that to throw your trash away, just like it is customary to put your weights back.
so then what is the job of a "gym attendant"?0 -
i haven't been in one forever!0
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We have a woman that runs/skips sideways on the treadmill, she always goes right next to people, never to the 10 open treadmills. So while you are running/walking she is dead staring at you so she can skip sideways. It irks me to no end.2
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Packerjohn wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
When you eat in a fast food place do you take your trash and put it in the garbage can or do you just leave it? Sure someone will come around and clean up after you, but it is customary in a place like that to throw your trash away, just like it is customary to put your weights back.
so then what is the job of a "gym attendant"?
Apparently there is not an answer to this question. And apparently I'm a woman.1 -
DeadliftsandDonuts wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JeffMatchett wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »Weight droppers. I hate hearing the sound through my already excessively loud music. If you're strong enough to lift it, you are strong enough to set it down.
Because I should totally have no problem setting down a 90 lb dumbbell that I need someone's help to get into proper benchpress position initially. Or I should slowly lower a massive deadlift. This might be true for people who don't lift big weights but sometimes you need to give them a break.
Dumbbells are made of rubber. They make a dull boing noise. No problem. Barbell exercises make noise. The bar and hole of the weight plate have space to make sound. The plates will hit together and make sound. No problem. People who every time, at the top of their deadlift motion, DROP the barbell like they just roasted Eminem in a rap battle and are dropping the mic are the worst kind of people.
OH. And people who drop cable weights. Wow.
try and pull a 400# max deadlift and see how lightly you can set it down ..
deadlifts, by their nature, are going to be loud...
technically, at the top of your deadlift you are supposed to RDL it and then let the weight come down to the floor after you get about knee high...not really sure how you do that with minimal noise, but I am open to suggestions..
What you said: let the weight come down to the floor after you get about knee high
This is what I said: at the top of their deadlift motion, DROP the barbell
Do you see what you're trying to defend and what I'm annoyed about? They're not the same
My friend is pretty good at not being obnoxious. Even though he drops sometimes when he's just goofing around. What he's doing in that video is not slamming. And yes I know those are some bumper plates, but he still isn't dropping it right after he straighens out.
Do you think I drop the barbell too hard? I try not to be obnoxious about it or piss people off, but the weight is heavy for me. Also, my gym has bumper plates but they're really wide and you can't fit more than 4 plates on the bar so I have to use the regular plates.
Here are my last 2 deadlift sets from yesterday: 525x3 and beltless 405x8 after 5 warm-up sets and 5 doubles at 525.
impressive numbers!1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
When you eat in a fast food place do you take your trash and put it in the garbage can or do you just leave it? Sure someone will come around and clean up after you, but it is customary in a place like that to throw your trash away, just like it is customary to put your weights back.
so then what is the job of a "gym attendant"?
Putting weights back after *kitten* leave them on barbells, the floor, etc would be one of the things. A janitor has to clean a bathroom, that doesn't make it okay for someone to drop a deuce on the floor.11 -
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Packerjohn wrote: »Doing lateral raises a foot away from the dumbbell rack.
A guy at my gym would use the barbell storage rack to hold on to and balance while doing either one armed shoulder shrugs or anterior arm raises, thus blocking anyone else who wanted to use those barbells from getting them. I'm sure he'd move if asked... but I just feel like there could be a better way for him to do his thing.0 -
My gym always being crowded, people who leave weights/trash/empty water bottles all over (I figure they are the same scum who leave trash on the seats/floor of movie theaters), and yeah, the banging weight thing. I don't care if someone has to do it when they are attempting a really heavy lift, but a lot of people seem to drop for the heck of it. Scares the bejesus out of me, both because of the noise, and because to me, a loud bang like that signals a ditch/failure where someone might actually be injured. So I end stopping my workout to look over to make sure the person is ok.1
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Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
When you eat in a fast food place do you take your trash and put it in the garbage can or do you just leave it? Sure someone will come around and clean up after you, but it is customary in a place like that to throw your trash away, just like it is customary to put your weights back.
so then what is the job of a "gym attendant"?
Putting weights back after *kitten* leave them on barbells, the floor, etc would be one of the things. A janitor has to clean a bathroom, that doesn't make it okay for someone to drop a deuce on the floor.
don't recall anyone saying that it was ok to dump trash all over the place...
Since we agree on the job description not really sure what your problem is...0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
When you eat in a fast food place do you take your trash and put it in the garbage can or do you just leave it? Sure someone will come around and clean up after you, but it is customary in a place like that to throw your trash away, just like it is customary to put your weights back.
so then what is the job of a "gym attendant"?
Putting weights back after *kitten* leave them on barbells, the floor, etc would be one of the things. A janitor has to clean a bathroom, that doesn't make it okay for someone to drop a deuce on the floor.
So racking a weight is to gym employee as picking up feces on the floor is to custodian/janitor?
A point that can be made for both is this: As a janitor/custodian, part of agreeing to the job is that accidents will happen and they may come into contact with stank logs on the floor. As a gym employee, part of agreeing to the job is keeping a tidy gym even when members don't rack the weights.0 -
We have a woman that runs/skips sideways on the treadmill, she always goes right next to people, never to the 10 open treadmills. So while you are running/walking she is dead staring at you so she can skip sideways. It irks me to no end.
Omg, this is AWFUL.
During allergy season I can pretty much sneeze on demand, so I think I would be tempted to sneeze in her face.1 -
I wish the gym attendant would ask people to leave when they didn't pick up trash, put weights away etc.. All those damm signs they put up threatning it are useless without some enforcement.4
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My gym always being crowded, people who leave weights/trash/empty water bottles all over (I figure they are the same scum who leave trash on the seats/floor of movie theaters), and yeah, the banging weight thing. I don't care if someone has to do it when they are attempting a really heavy lift, but a lot of people seem to drop for the heck of it. Scares the bejesus out of me, both because of the noise, and because to me, a loud bang like that signals a ditch/failure where someone might actually be injured. So I end stopping my workout to look over to make sure the person is ok.
I don't understand the thought process that gyms are going to be quiet places...
when you are moving weight there is going to be sounds from moving of said weight. yes, people should not be screaming like they are in labor, but gyms are going to be loud...1 -
My gym always being crowded, people who leave weights/trash/empty water bottles all over (I figure they are the same scum who leave trash on the seats/floor of movie theaters), and yeah, the banging weight thing. I don't care if someone has to do it when they are attempting a really heavy lift, but a lot of people seem to drop for the heck of it. Scares the bejesus out of me, both because of the noise, and because to me, a loud bang like that signals a ditch/failure where someone might actually be injured. So I end stopping my workout to look over to make sure the person is ok.
I don't understand the thought process that gyms are going to be quiet places...
when you are moving weight there is going to be sounds from moving of said weight. yes, people should not be screaming like they are in labor, but gyms are going to be loud...
Where did I say that I think gyms are going to be quiet places?1 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
When you eat in a fast food place do you take your trash and put it in the garbage can or do you just leave it? Sure someone will come around and clean up after you, but it is customary in a place like that to throw your trash away, just like it is customary to put your weights back.
so then what is the job of a "gym attendant"?
Putting weights back after *kitten* leave them on barbells, the floor, etc would be one of the things. A janitor has to clean a bathroom, that doesn't make it okay for someone to drop a deuce on the floor.
So racking a weight is to gym employee as picking up feces on the floor is to custodian/janitor?
A point that can be made for both is this: As a janitor/custodian, part of agreeing to the job is that accidents will happen and they may come into contact with stank logs on the floor. As a gym employee, part of agreeing to the job is keeping a tidy gym even when members don't rack the weights.
And a point we can agree on is people that don't put the weights back are *kitten*?0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »fitgamercatlady wrote: »JustAnotherOneOfThoseGirls wrote: »as someone who works at a gym, I can probably give a different perspective. If you don't restack/put away your weight, the gym staff have to do it for you, and they will hate you with a burning passion. Weight-droppers - all you're doing is damaging the floor, which means the prices of memberships have to go up, as we have to cover the price of replacing/fixing the floor. Same goes for people who bang weights in to walls/mirrors/etc. People who leave the treadmills on an inclination of about 10+ degrees. People who leave blue roll/tissues (especially sweaty dirty ones) all over the floor. That one person who is always "just finishing up" when you're trying to lock up and keeps going for an extra 15-20 minutes. Like, you know when we close, please just leave, we're hungry and tired. Lastly, those people who NEVER leave, they're there all day, from opening til closing. Damn, rant over, didn't realise I had so many pent up issues :')
wait, don't you get paid to do all these things?
Our cleaning lady, Pat, gets paid to clean our office buildings, but that doesn't mean I go around leaving trash all over the ground.
so gym staff should complain about having to re-rack weights and clean up the place where they work at? Back when I worked in restaurants I had to clean up all kinds of nasty stuff, I did it because I got paid to do it.
When you eat in a fast food place do you take your trash and put it in the garbage can or do you just leave it? Sure someone will come around and clean up after you, but it is customary in a place like that to throw your trash away, just like it is customary to put your weights back.
so then what is the job of a "gym attendant"?
Putting weights back after *kitten* leave them on barbells, the floor, etc would be one of the things. A janitor has to clean a bathroom, that doesn't make it okay for someone to drop a deuce on the floor.
So racking a weight is to gym employee as picking up feces on the floor is to custodian/janitor?
A point that can be made for both is this: As a janitor/custodian, part of agreeing to the job is that accidents will happen and they may come into contact with stank logs on the floor. As a gym employee, part of agreeing to the job is keeping a tidy gym even when members don't rack the weights.
And a point we can agree on is people that don't put the weights back are *kitten*?
I'll back you 100% on that. Even to the point that I'll rack somebody else's weight if they leave it. However, the only point I'm trying to make is that gym staff can expect to do it as well and really don't have a leg to stand on as far as complaining about it goes (IMO).0
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