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Christine_72 wrote: »MiriamBlissful wrote: »There's a study I read that proves sugar more addicting than cocaine, the science is there to prove sugar as something that needs moderation. The research and study of the many outweighs that of the few. Sugar isn't nessisarily bad, it just needs to be watched.
Sugar is not more addictive than cocaine or heroin. If it was, there would be sugar rehab clinics popping up everywhere. I'm not being defensive or in denial over my high consumption either, I'm all for cutting down sugar, i am not a "sugar is not a problem unless you have a medical condition" proponent, and even then i still think comparing sugar to narcotics is a far reach.
No one argues that smoking is highly addictive, yet there are no "smoking rehab clinics popping up everywhere." There are self-help programs, hypnosis programs and 12 step programs aimed at self-help, but those types of programs exist for overeaters as well (sugar addiction is lumped in as an eating disorder.) Think Overeaters' Anonymous, Food Addicts Anonymous and other similar programs.
Further, as addictive as nicotine is (after all, nicotine is required by the body; under normal circumstances it makes its own nicotine) people do not go through the withdrawl symptoms characterized by meth and cocaine. The person withdrawing from nicotine is irritable, has headaches, nausea, fatigue, insomnia, anxiety and depression. Hmmmm . . . sounds like the symptoms described by those cutting out processed sugar.
In other words, just because the withdrawl symptoms aren't life threatening, such as nicotine addiction, doesn't mean the addiction doesn't exist.
This sentence by OP, however, does not make sense: There's a study I read that proves sugar more addicting than cocaine, the science is there to prove sugar as something that needs moderation. Either an addiction exists, in which case abstinence is required, or it does not exist in which case moderation is appropriate.
Peer reviewed article from Google Scholar: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3304017/2 -
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NorthCascades wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Did you think most people here were arguing for unlimited, immoderation consumption of sugar?
I'm not sure I've ever seen anybody make that argument, here or anywhere else. But in day-to-day life, what you just described is a pretty common approach to eating.
There's a distinction between doing something because you don't care whether it's healthy or not and actually thinking and arguing that it's healthy or that others should do it.
Looking back to 8/12 when I wrote that (seems like 100 years ago now, in that there have been precisely 4583 new threads on sugar and how it's evil started in the meantime), OP seemed to think that she was telling us something new and controversial in saying that sugar should be moderated, not consumed in excess. That, obviously, is not the case. The debate here is normally between those who say it's fine in moderation and those who say it should be removed from the diet (usually added sugar, sometimes as part of an extreme low carb diet because carbs are going to kill us).
Anyway, more recent threads have raised the question: which addiction is worse, sugar or cheese?0 -
With rats right? This is OLD NEWS and has been debated over and over with the sugar "addiction" having very weak scientific claims.MiriamBlissful wrote: »There's a study I read that proves sugar more addicting than cocaine, the science is there to prove sugar as something that needs moderation. The research and study of the many outweighs that of the few. Sugar isn't nessisarily bad, it just needs to be watched.
It tastes good some some people keep eating it. Same reason why people like hot sauce or salt on everything they eat. Are there any salt or hot sauce "addicts"?
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Not specifically salt, but I found a peer-reviewed article about MSG: http://www.spiritofhealthkc.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Health Library/Modern Medicine/Man Made Chemicals and Pollution/MSG/MSG1 - The Toxicity - Safety of MSG.pdf
The food industry knows that food enhancing flavors such as MSG cause the public to consume, therefore buy, more product. And no, I'm not a conspiracy nut, this just sounds like a good short-term business plan to me. Long term doesn't make much sense, though, since you're harming the customers.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Sriracha is addicting!!
Probably. But some addictions I embrace!0 -
markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.1 -
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BreezeDoveal wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
Of course, because isn't being addicted to meth its own prison? Isn't someone addicted to unnatural substances like processed sugar a prison too?
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
The question of how legalizing meth would affect addicts and the economy doesn't factor in to the debat of whether or not sugar is equally addictive.
The question should be: If sugar were illegal and was as expensive on the street as meth, would anyone become so desparate for their next sugar fix that they'd be willing to steal for it?
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
The question of how legalizing meth would affect addicts and the economy doesn't factor in to the debat of whether or not sugar is equally addictive.
The question should be: If sugar were illegal and was as expensive on the street as meth, would anyone become so desparate for their next sugar fix that they'd be willing to steal for it?
Hint: No.
Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. But it's a moot point since there is no way to prove it.0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »The question should be: If sugar were illegal and was as expensive on the street as meth, would anyone become so desparate for their next sugar fix that they'd be willing to steal for it?
Hint: No.
No is as good a guess as any...0 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
The question of how legalizing meth would affect addicts and the economy doesn't factor in to the debat of whether or not sugar is equally addictive.
The question should be: If sugar were illegal and was as expensive on the street as meth, would anyone become so desparate for their next sugar fix that they'd be willing to steal for it?
Hint: No.
I agree with this. The fact that sugar consumption has only gotten as prevalent as it is due to cheap sugar and even tasty goods with sugar that are made for you in many cases suggests to me that this is true. Even sweets lovers will typically go without if they don't have someone making them cookies/a place to buy premade snacks. They don't start scooping sugar out of the jar.4 -
positivepowers wrote: »...after all, nicotine is required by the body; under normal circumstances it makes its own nicotine
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
The question of how legalizing meth would affect addicts and the economy doesn't factor in to the debat of whether or not sugar is equally addictive.
The question should be: If sugar were illegal and was as expensive on the street as meth, would anyone become so desparate for their next sugar fix that they'd be willing to steal for it?
Hint: No.
I agree with this. The fact that sugar consumption has only gotten as prevalent as it is due to cheap sugar and even tasty goods with sugar that are made for you in many cases suggests to me that this is true. Even sweets lovers will typically go without if they don't have someone making them cookies/a place to buy premade snacks. They don't start scooping sugar out of the jar.
I have never seen anyone scoop sugar from a jar (or bag). I have seen people eat/drink honey or maple syrup to get a sugar fix. Or eat a can of store bought cake icing or down an entire bag of marshmallows. And I have seen a LOT of people steal candy from children. People can get weird without their sugar.1 -
Icing is sugar plus fat. It's the evolutionary survival jackpot. And marshmallows are more gelatin (boiled bones) than sugar. People take candy that's given to kids for a variety of social conditioning reasons (not the least of which is kids are frequently given candy at amounts completely over the top).
And absolutely no one acts like a meth head bugging out without their "fix". To say such a thing suggests your experience worth drug addicts is profoundly limited to nonexistent.7 -
Icing is sugar plus fat. It's the evolutionary survival jackpot. And marshmallows are more gelatin (boiled bones) than sugar. People take candy that's given to kids for a variety of social conditioning reasons (not the least of which is kids are frequently given candy at amounts completely over the top).
And absolutely no one acts like a meth head bugging out without their "fix". To say such a thing suggests your experience worth drug addicts is profoundly limited to nonexistent.
Who said anything about bugging out? The question was would someone steal to procure sugar if it were suddenly illegal and as hard to obtain as meth.0 -
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
The question of how legalizing meth would affect addicts and the economy doesn't factor in to the debat of whether or not sugar is equally addictive.
The question should be: If sugar were illegal and was as expensive on the street as meth, would anyone become so desparate for their next sugar fix that they'd be willing to steal for it?
Hint: No.
Yeah, for once I have to disagree (it wouldn't be widespread, but I'll guarantee you it'd happen). Not because sugar is addictive, but because some people steal things for little to no reason at all.1 -
I have yet to see anyone get arrested for stealing/burglary/robbery to fulfill a sugar craving.NorthCascades wrote: »
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Most packaged food will state if they are MSG free. And MSG has been around forever.positivepowers wrote: »
With rats right? This is OLD NEWS and has been debated over and over with the sugar "addiction" having very weak scientific claims.MiriamBlissful wrote: »There's a study I read that proves sugar more addicting than cocaine, the science is there to prove sugar as something that needs moderation. The research and study of the many outweighs that of the few. Sugar isn't nessisarily bad, it just needs to be watched.
It tastes good some some people keep eating it. Same reason why people like hot sauce or salt on everything they eat. Are there any salt or hot sauce "addicts"?
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Not specifically salt, but I found a peer-reviewed article about MSG: http://www.spiritofhealthkc.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Health Library/Modern Medicine/Man Made Chemicals and Pollution/MSG/MSG1 - The Toxicity - Safety of MSG.pdf
The food industry knows that food enhancing flavors such as MSG cause the public to consume, therefore buy, more product. And no, I'm not a conspiracy nut, this just sounds like a good short-term business plan to me. Long term doesn't make much sense, though, since you're harming the customers.
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I have yet to see anyone get arrested for stealing/burglary/robbery to fulfill a sugar craving.NorthCascades wrote: »
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I once shoplifted a bag of halloween candy as a kid to feed my sugar needs. Does that count?1 -
Alcohol is. They have programs for recovery. And ask you to abstain for fear of relapse.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
How do you abstain from having any sugar in your diet at all? Don't eat fruits and vegetables? Make sure all meats never have marinades with a hint of sugar for fear of relapse?
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I have yet to see anyone get arrested for stealing/burglary/robbery to fulfill a sugar craving.NorthCascades wrote: »
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On one of those Intervention shows there was an bulimic who would steal food for her binges. Usually it was sweet treats.1 -
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I wouldn't rob or kill for a bag of sugar even if it was costly or limited.BreezeDoveal wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »markrgeary1 wrote: »We read stories all the time about sugar addicts, you know all the candy store robberies by addicts needing a fix.
My nephew is in state prison for stealing to support his meth addiction. Sure he'd like to hear how this sugar addiction works.
Would he be in prison if meth were legal and he could buy it cheaply at dozens of stores in every city? Your argument has more to do with availability and legality than addiction.
Of course, because isn't being addicted to meth its own prison? Isn't someone addicted to unnatural substances like processed sugar a prison too?
I've seen and known people who'll do just about anything for meth.
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Lol, neither would if people had good oral hygiene. Yes I know, brushing your teeth can be tedious just like weighing food on a scale.BreezeDoveal wrote: »Both meth and sugar result in rotted out teeth. Why are we pretending this happens on the inside with one (meth) but not the other?
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