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Anyone fail on a bio hacking diet?
hamilton8560
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I receive a lot of negative comments whenever i mention this topic, but it works really well for me as well as anyone else ive influenced to try it. What do you guys think?
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Are you talking about this - https://www.bulletproofexec.com/beginners-guide-to-biohacking-101/ ?0
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Check out what i eat maybe0
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What's the debate?0
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Applying sugar and fats effectively0
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How is that a debate? Not saying it's not, but you aren't explaining it.0
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Well its hard to debate something without content if you dont know what bio hacking is at all where do we start0
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Well its hard to debate something without content if you dont know what bio hacking is at all where do we start
How bout we start with you explaining what in tarnation you're talking about?27 -
hamilton8560 wrote: »Well its hard to debate something without content if you dont know what bio hacking is at all where do we start
I think this might be why people are asking to describe/explain it. Otherwise, there's not much to talk about.1 -
I thought you were doing the carb nite solution by jon keifer?0
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queenliz99 wrote: »
I don't know if SPEED would increase my metabolism, but I hear it suppresses the appetite.0 -
I am still looking for the word diet in this and why or how one fails at this.. I am intrigued..
eta for context: op is according to 8/16 doing the carb nite solution diet, so if guess you can say I do have questions...0 -
Yea im on carb nite thats a bio hack diet example, and power movements being metabolic is getting into bio hacking with exercise. The reason i would assume they increase metabolism is because they are dynamic exercises. Compound lifts have a good impact on metabolism in general, one obvious reason is when a muscle contraction under moderate to high intensity it causes testesterone to flow to those muscles individually. Test = equals fat burning and muscle building anabolic hormone. Appetite surpression occurs under fatigue in general. Its not natural to immediately follow a workout with a couple cheeseburgers. But Does anyone have any other examples or ideas because they all have served me well.0
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Where are you getting your information?1
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I'm still confused.2
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Yea im on carb nite thats a bio hack diet example, and power movements being metabolic is getting into bio hacking with exercise. The reason i would assume they increase metabolism is because they are dynamic exercises. Compound lifts have a good impact on metabolism in general, one obvious reason is when a muscle contraction under moderate to high intensity it causes testesterone to flow to those muscles individually. Test = equals fat burning and muscle building anabolic hormone. Appetite surpression occurs under fatigue in general. Its not natural to immediately follow a workout with a couple cheeseburgers. But Does anyone have any other examples or ideas because they all have served me well.
At best there are temporary things that can increase metabolism but most are higher overrated and exaggerated. Protein increases TEF but it's around 1 cal per gram. Exercise does increase metabolism but i dont believe its by much. The best thing about resistance training is muscle maintenance which maintains metabolism.
Also, test is also suppressed in very low carb diets. In turn, it would be difficult to gain any muscle. Strength yes, but not new muscle mass.0 -
What the heck is a bio-hacking diet?0
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dragon_girl26 wrote: »What the heck is a bio-hacking diet?
Well, if you peek at the link zyxst posted, apparently it's where you track down and kill wild cows with your bare hands and eat it raw, slathered in Kerrygold butter. Then punching yourself in the gut while ripping legs off live chickens.
One of those reads that I'm left thinking, "not sure if serious or just seriously disturbed."19 -
Low fat diets below 20 percent also contribute to a lower testesterone level. Of course everyones hormones are different. The TEF of protein is much higher than fat and carbs but its also the least efficient energy source. High protein diets are effective for that reason but it also explains why you feel terrible on them. Plus ure also causing the body to break down amino acids more. Lean mass is definitely accomplished on ultra low carb diets and theres research that supports that as well as my own experiences, but to compare strength gains of keto with cns... cns blows it out of the water and maybe itll slow down soon and ill have to work something else in but I would really like some of you open minded people to attempt it and see what happens.1
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The broscience just got strong, y'all.16
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Can't say I've really heard of this before, but my general opinion - show me the data.
This sounds much more like broscience than real science. There are real metabolic pathways here, and some aspects are at least plausible, but a) the body is extremely complicated, with longer term feedback loops that often introduce second-order effects to oppose the first-order effects, and b) even if this approach did produce better results, how MUCH better? A 1% improvement? A 10% improvement? A 100% improvement? My personal guess is that even 1% overstates the magnitude of these effects - the body is a very efficient machine and it's well adapted by evolution to not waste its fat reserves.
There's a very real cost associated with restrictive dieting (and tight control over macros and nutrient timing is certainly one type of restriction), I think it's a fair question to ask if the benefit is high enough to be worth that cost. For that matter, it's fair to ask if the benefit even exists at all.
I just took a look at the carb nite solution homepage. I got about as far as the anecdote about how the diet came about before I quit reading - it was basically the textbook definition of a post hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacy.13 -
williams969 wrote: »dragon_girl26 wrote: »What the heck is a bio-hacking diet?
Well, if you peek at the link zyxst posted, apparently it's where you track down and kill wild cows with your bare hands and eat it raw, slathered in Kerrygold butter. Then punching yourself in the gut while ripping legs off live chickens.
One of those reads that I'm left thinking, "not sure if serious or just seriously disturbed."
Well in that case, I'm all in. I mean, I loves me some Kerrygold butter.2 -
The book "low carbohydrate performance" removes the broscience statements as it backs up each claim with its own research studies on large groups of people, but for just the ketogenic approach. Mostly tested on obese people would be the fault but there is quite a bit on endurance athletes. Yea as you dig deeper into that world youll find theres a lot of research that goes into it through a doctor and his patients in phoenix. Everyone is right to say show me the science but that is a whole lot to type at once. Going off of girth measurements, and 7 site calipers and pictures of me being aggressively fat 4 months ago. Lets say if i get on stage in 2 months continuing to progressively smash more and more donuts can you guys agree to allow my personal success to be held above the standard of broscience?0
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Going off of girth measurements, and 7 site calipers and pictures of me being aggressively fat 4 months ago. Lets say if i get on stage in 2 months continuing to progressively smash more and more donuts can you guys agree to allow my personal success to be held above the standard of broscience?
With what control group? I don't doubt you can do impressive things in half a year of hard work. My question is on whether this specific approach was any better or worse than other approaches. There are thousands of approaches you could take to be successful - one person's anecdote, no matter how successful, can't answer the question of whether the approach leads to greater success, because we have no way of knowing where you would have been 2 months from now if you'd done a different approach instead.6 -
How does a diet get noticed? By the success of its participants so if were looking for a control group, here's one. Keep looking and you will find many more. Also on the macro energy side refer to the ATP production rates from oxidization of each macro per molecule, simple enough thats not theory.1
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hamilton8560 wrote: »Going off of girth measurements, and 7 site calipers and pictures of me being aggressively fat 4 months ago. Lets say if i get on stage in 2 months continuing to progressively smash more and more donuts can you guys agree to allow my personal success to be held above the standard of broscience?
I'm sorry but from looking at your photograph, I think its safe to say you were not "aggressively fat". You've bulked and went on to cut with a broscience diet, no-one is doubting your success merely the methods on which you claim to have lost this so called aggressive fat.
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It's the epitome of a science based diet. I cant just display hundreds of pages of endocrine system data. You can pick up multiple textbooks and find a large amount of contradicting data, so science eventually has to become anecdotal from whats available because there are multiple possibilities, not engaging in this data and being close minded is one option.0
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I am super confused. You want people to try "bio hacking" but wont define what it is? Why do you keep bringing up keto as if someone else is mentioning it?
Are we talking about manipulating carbs? I had no idea that it (and apparently heavy compound lifts aka "power moves") were considered "bio hacking". I started cycling my carbs when I wanted to keep eating at an overall deficit, but was frustrated with plateauing on strength. I consider it similar to a bulk/cut cycle, just compressed into the space of a week. Personally, I've been happy with it.0 -
Yea that makes sense. Its manipulating hormones for a desired response. Applications for women however are different; because your hormones are so different from ours. For example women have a resistence to the catabolic hormone adrenaline. This hormone allows us to activate more motor units or percentage of muscle fibers. It grants more strength but also more muscle damage. So if i was using this idealogy in a program for a woman training at an advanced level. I would consider a higher frequency overload than a man would be able to apply. This is based off of the bayesian body building method since people are source hounding me. Carbs are just a fuel tank averaging between 300-500 grams on people between their central nervous system, liver and muscle in the storage form glycogen. You found out cycling was more effective because ure simply refilling the tank rather than just constantly overflowing. The depletion comes from any exercise. Does that make sense?0
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hamilton8560 wrote: »It's the epitome of a science based diet. I cant just display hundreds of pages of endocrine system data. You can pick up multiple textbooks and find a large amount of contradicting data, so science eventually has to become anecdotal from whats available because there are multiple possibilities, not engaging in this data and being close minded is one option.
I don't think anyone has asked you to display hundreds of pages of endocrine system data but at least one link to a scientific study would be nice. In my own personal opinion, I have a feeling others here may share the same view, is that the lack of knowledge or credible links online referencing this bio hack diet shows exactly what we all suspect and repeated multiple times, that its bro science. Anyone can compound lift, daily carb cycle and loose weight, whether this is actually bio hacking your body or simply lifting big in deficit?6
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