Eating more later in the day?
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PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »AndTravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »kickassketo wrote: »TravisGM, I'm with you. I think all the sugar in their diets, correlated with their inability to understand your point, is clear anecdotal evidence that sugar is the devil.
Oh my goodness you are so funny I just can't contain my laughter over here.
On another point; the "sugar is devil" phrase is meant not to be taken literally. I don't think sugar is the devil; I don't think sugar will kill all people or is the worse thing in the world. The point I was making, and am still making, is that sugar is not required in any healthy diet. You could stop eating sugar now and never eat it again for years and be just fine.
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
Awesome. And this has what to do with the original post?
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
The OP was posting about a concern of noticing a pattern of eating more in the evening.
No. They said they are hungry at dinnertime. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
ETA The original post was about meal timing and had nothing to do with carbs or sugar. The whole "breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper" rule is still on blast out in woo woo land. Not sure how you twisted that into an excuse to go on an anti-sugar rant.
? It's not an anti-sugar rant. I'm attempting to give a possible explanation as to why they may be feeling more hungry and eating more in the evening. They talked about why they might be more hungry and eating in the evening so I provided a possible explanation as to why that might be happening. Eating simple carbohydrates in the early day can cause one to have more hunger cravings. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
That could explain why they eat more in the evening. They gave one example of a breakfast.
They are feeling hungry in the evening because they're eating light during the day and there's nothing wrong with that. End of story. No analysis needed.
That isn't science backed what so ever. That is my main issue with this thread. Most people here are making claims with no scientific backing. Perhaps anecdotal, which is nice. But the point is that if one wants to TRY and avoid eating simple carbohydrates to see if their hunger decreases, they could try that. If it doesn't work, then try something else.
What's wrong with adding scientific backing to my advice? Should I just put anecdotal evidence like you?1 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »AndTravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »kickassketo wrote: »TravisGM, I'm with you. I think all the sugar in their diets, correlated with their inability to understand your point, is clear anecdotal evidence that sugar is the devil.
Oh my goodness you are so funny I just can't contain my laughter over here.
On another point; the "sugar is devil" phrase is meant not to be taken literally. I don't think sugar is the devil; I don't think sugar will kill all people or is the worse thing in the world. The point I was making, and am still making, is that sugar is not required in any healthy diet. You could stop eating sugar now and never eat it again for years and be just fine.
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
Awesome. And this has what to do with the original post?
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
The OP was posting about a concern of noticing a pattern of eating more in the evening.
No. They said they are hungry at dinnertime. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
ETA The original post was about meal timing and had nothing to do with carbs or sugar. The whole "breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper" rule is still on blast out in woo woo land. Not sure how you twisted that into an excuse to go on an anti-sugar rant.
? It's not an anti-sugar rant. I'm attempting to give a possible explanation as to why they may be feeling more hungry and eating more in the evening. They talked about why they might be more hungry and eating in the evening so I provided a possible explanation as to why that might be happening. Eating simple carbohydrates in the early day can cause one to have more hunger cravings. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
That could explain why they eat more in the evening. They gave one example of a breakfast.
They are feeling hungry in the evening because they're eating light during the day and there's nothing wrong with that. End of story. No analysis needed.
That isn't science backed what so ever. That is my main issue with this thread. Most people here are making claims with no scientific backing. Perhaps anecdotal, which is nice. But the point is that if one wants to TRY and avoid eating simple carbohydrates to see if their hunger decreases, they could try that. If it doesn't work, then try something else.
What's wrong with adding scientific backing to my advice? Should I just put anecdotal evidence like you?
Why should they avoid hunger when they're supposed to be eating anyway?
Also, do I pay a toll to get across the bridge, or am I supposed to solve a riddle? Which kind are you?3 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »AndTravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »kickassketo wrote: »TravisGM, I'm with you. I think all the sugar in their diets, correlated with their inability to understand your point, is clear anecdotal evidence that sugar is the devil.
Oh my goodness you are so funny I just can't contain my laughter over here.
On another point; the "sugar is devil" phrase is meant not to be taken literally. I don't think sugar is the devil; I don't think sugar will kill all people or is the worse thing in the world. The point I was making, and am still making, is that sugar is not required in any healthy diet. You could stop eating sugar now and never eat it again for years and be just fine.
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
Awesome. And this has what to do with the original post?
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
The OP was posting about a concern of noticing a pattern of eating more in the evening.
No. They said they are hungry at dinnertime. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
ETA The original post was about meal timing and had nothing to do with carbs or sugar. The whole "breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper" rule is still on blast out in woo woo land. Not sure how you twisted that into an excuse to go on an anti-sugar rant.
? It's not an anti-sugar rant. I'm attempting to give a possible explanation as to why they may be feeling more hungry and eating more in the evening. They talked about why they might be more hungry and eating in the evening so I provided a possible explanation as to why that might be happening. Eating simple carbohydrates in the early day can cause one to have more hunger cravings. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
That could explain why they eat more in the evening. They gave one example of a breakfast.
They are feeling hungry in the evening because they're eating light during the day and there's nothing wrong with that. End of story. No analysis needed.
That isn't science backed what so ever. That is my main issue with this thread. Most people here are making claims with no scientific backing. Perhaps anecdotal, which is nice. But the point is that if one wants to TRY and avoid eating simple carbohydrates to see if their hunger decreases, they could try that. If it doesn't work, then try something else.
What's wrong with adding scientific backing to my advice? Should I just put anecdotal evidence like you?
Why should they avoid hunger when they're supposed to be eating anyway?
Also, do I pay a toll to get across the bridge, or am I supposed to solve a riddle?
I didn't say they should avoid hunger. You're assuming my intentions which is unnecessary because I've made my intentions clear.
What I expect you to do, like anyone on this site or anyone trying to lose weight, is use science as an aid to their goals. Science points to this, so we put it into practice. Yes, science can be wrong. But it's got us to the moon and back, I put my trust more in science than in anecdotal research.
If science suggests carbs make you crave more carbs, I avoid eating carbs until bedtime so I don't eat them throughout the day and go over on my carb limit. If science says protein makes you more full, I try to eat protein more so I don't get as hungry.0 -
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7498104/
The white potato is one of the most satiating foods and it's both a carbohydrate and high GI.7 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7498104/
The white potato is one of the most satiating foods and it's both a carbohydrate and high GI.
Love baked potato and it fills me up extremely well.0 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »AndTravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »kickassketo wrote: »TravisGM, I'm with you. I think all the sugar in their diets, correlated with their inability to understand your point, is clear anecdotal evidence that sugar is the devil.
Oh my goodness you are so funny I just can't contain my laughter over here.
On another point; the "sugar is devil" phrase is meant not to be taken literally. I don't think sugar is the devil; I don't think sugar will kill all people or is the worse thing in the world. The point I was making, and am still making, is that sugar is not required in any healthy diet. You could stop eating sugar now and never eat it again for years and be just fine.
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
Awesome. And this has what to do with the original post?
IF sugar can cause someone to want to eat more carbs, the OP (if they were eating sugar in the morning) would experience more hunger throughout the day thereby answering their original question/concern of why they have increased hunger in the evening.
The OP was posting about a concern of noticing a pattern of eating more in the evening.
No. They said they are hungry at dinnertime. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
ETA The original post was about meal timing and had nothing to do with carbs or sugar. The whole "breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince, dinner like a pauper" rule is still on blast out in woo woo land. Not sure how you twisted that into an excuse to go on an anti-sugar rant.
? It's not an anti-sugar rant. I'm attempting to give a possible explanation as to why they may be feeling more hungry and eating more in the evening. They talked about why they might be more hungry and eating in the evening so I provided a possible explanation as to why that might be happening. Eating simple carbohydrates in the early day can cause one to have more hunger cravings. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
That could explain why they eat more in the evening. They gave one example of a breakfast.
They are feeling hungry in the evening because they're eating light during the day and there's nothing wrong with that. End of story. No analysis needed.
That isn't science backed what so ever. That is my main issue with this thread. Most people here are making claims with no scientific backing. Perhaps anecdotal, which is nice. But the point is that if one wants to TRY and avoid eating simple carbohydrates to see if their hunger decreases, they could try that. If it doesn't work, then try something else.
What's wrong with adding scientific backing to my advice? Should I just put anecdotal evidence like you?
Why should they avoid hunger when they're supposed to be eating anyway?
Also, do I pay a toll to get across the bridge, or am I supposed to solve a riddle?
I didn't say they should avoid hunger. You're assuming my intentions which is unnecessary because I've made my intentions clear.
What I expect you to do, like anyone on this site or anyone trying to lose weight, is use science as an aid to their goals. Science points to this, so we put it into practice. Yes, science can be wrong. But it's got us to the moon and back, I put my trust more in science than in anecdotal research.
If science suggests carbs make you crave more carbs, I avoid eating carbs until bedtime so I don't eat them throughout the day and go over on my carb limit. If science says protein makes you more full, I try to eat protein more so I don't get as hungry.
How about just answer their question? "Is it ok to eat a lot of my calories later in the day?" Answer: "Yes, that's fine."5 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »TravisGM92 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »geneticsteacher wrote: »Not avoiding sugar also allows you to lose weight, if you are still within your calorie range.
Bingo.
I'm not sure if I'm not being clear or just being attacked cause I mentioned sugar.
Yes, you can still lose weight if you eat sugar and stay within your caloric range. I didn't suggest the opposite.
Again, for the third time, I suggested that eating sugar can cause you to be more hungry, thus making you want to eat more.
"I don't avoid sugar. Heck I'm baking brownies right now. I've lost 44lbs. Without avoiding sugar. Of any kind."
Cool. Good for you! I didn't say avoid sugar in order to lose weight. I said avoiding sugar allows you to lose weight. That doesn't mean "avoiding sugar is the only way to lose weight"
In response, any food can make you feel more hungry. It is not a sugar thing, it is a food thing.
Also, you are missing to point others are making. Rat and mouse studies can only be stretched so far as evidence. They are usually used not because they are amazingly great options for human studies, but because they are similar enough to decide what human studies are worth doing. Frequently enough when something proves true in rat studies and they are followed by primate or human studies, the observations don't follow through. By saying something is "scientifically known" you are giving more weight to rat studies than reputable scientists and doctors would.
Better advise would be for people to pay attention to what makes them as and individual feel like eating more, because that varies from person to person.
Sure, mice and humans differ quite a bit. But what the other OP's are missing is that it is commonly known in the fitness industry that carbs can stimulate hunger more. A study that has humans: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/06/26/ajcn.113.064113.abstract
This study does not show that carbs cause hunger as macronutrients were matched between groups.
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Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose1 -
Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
Thanks for that0 -
TravisGM92 wrote: »Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
Thanks for that
If you're concerned about insulin I'd suggest this piece as there's a number of huge problems with the insulin hypothesis:
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Regarding carbohydrate and appetite there's a lot of individual variability at play and I'd suggest Krieger's info on that as well.
Please note these are both well referenced items:
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-6-body-fat-testing-and-the-metabolic-advantage/increasing-protein-or-decreasing-carbohydrate-which-gives-you-a-metabolic-advantage/
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Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
But then there's this other thing called a calorie deficit ...2 -
Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
Because insulin comes back down again between meals and during this time, fat oxidation goes up.
If total calories coming through the door are less than what's expended then fat oxidation will exceed fat storage and you'll lose weight.
Finally, protein is also insulinogenic.7 -
Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
Nope1 -
I've only been tracking calories for a few days now, but I'm seeing a pattern. I often eat a small breakfast (in a rush, getting kids out of the house), a larger lunch, a little snack in the afternoon, and then a LARGE dinner. I'm sticking to the calorie amounts, but does it matter when you eat the calories? I do make sure to eat breakfast every day, and there's always protein in my breakfast (this morning it was a two egg omelet with a small amount of cheese), but I get really hungry for dinner and it's hard for me to sit at the table with the family and not eat anything (my fam all eats a LOT -- but they don't have my metabolism). Dinner's also the meal of the day I like the best, and it's not as healthy because it's not just for me.
But if the calories add up, does it not matter? I don't usually eat after dinner either...
The biggest obstacle that people tend to have with long term weight loss followed by weight maintenance is the inability to adhere to a reasonable calorie intake over time.
If your approach is working for you, and you're able to stick to your diet, and you feel decent, don't change a damn thing.6 -
Insulin is not bad, no one is making that claim. If you eat high sugar foods constantly, that is when you should worry. Your insulin spikes as opposed to going up steadily when you eat sugary foods, that's where the problem lies and that is where we get the sugar crash because the insulin falls back down relatively quickly. In addition, the sugar crash acts as incentive to have more sugar, after all do you want to stay tired? Clearly not, this is where the drug addiction comparisons lie. You will also become insulin resistant which leads to a whole host of new problems.2
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queenliz99 wrote: »Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
Nope
My nutritional instructor must have been wrong, I guess I should tell her to go back to college and re-earn her Masters.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
Nope
My nutritional instructor must have been wrong, I guess I should tell her to go back to college and re-earn her Masters.
Where did she go to school?1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Wow this thread is full of know-it-alls that don't know. Sugar does make you want to eat more sugar, it's like a drug. Secondly, sugar spikes insulin. Why does insulin matter? It signals your body to not release fat, after all your blood is full of sugar it can readily use as energy -- why would it go for your fat stores with that abundance of fuel circulating?
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/sugar-addictive-cocaine-heroin-studies-suggest-article-1.356819
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-shows-how-insulin-stimulates-fat-cells-take-glucose
Nope
My nutritional instructor must have been wrong, I guess I should tell her to go back to college and re-earn her Masters.
Where did she go to school?
Here's her Twitter:
https://twitter.com/ShawNutritionS
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How did this turn into a sugar thread???
OP, sorry your thread got derailed. I'm hungry before I eat a meal too, that's kind of what hunger is for, to signal that it's time to eat, right?
I not only eat my biggest meal at dinner, I save calories for a late night snack as well, I'm a rebel like that! Sometimes I don't even eat breakfast - <gasp!>. Meal timing doesn't matter - as long as you are eating the right amount of calories and comfortable with your satiety throughout the day, you will be successful. You can do this, good luck! 4
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