Caloric Intake & Body Fat

psuLemon
psuLemon Posts: 38,430 MFP Moderator
edited September 29 in Health and Weight Loss
Due to the overwhelming amount of threads on eatin vs not eating exercise calories back, I want to do an informational thread on how many calories people eat vs their total body fat. I then will put this into an excel spreadsheet and do some analysis (yes, I am an excel dork).

The objective is to test the theory, that people with really low body fat have to consume a huge amount of calories to maintain or continue to change their body composition.

Below is the format. If you would like to respond but prefer not to post information publically, feel free to send me a private message.

Age: 29
Sex: M
Body Fat : 12%
Daily Calories: 2600

BF Goal (optional): 8%


I would like to thank those who participate. On a side note, below is my approach to calculating my caloric needs for the day. Just for information.
Here is my perception on the matter. I actually use this site just to track my calories. I use a different method to determine how many calories I should be eating and suggest it to many. According to this website, if you use their calculations, if you workout and burn 300 calories, than you should eat an extra 300 calories that day because the site has already built in a deficit for you. The more you have to lose the bigger an acceptable deficit is but the closer your goal is, the smaller your deficit should be. This is because the more muscle you have, the lower the body fat, the more fuel you body needs to sustains it's functions. Also, a deficit is should never been more than 1000 calories a day (which would allow for 2 lbs per week loss) but it more acceptable to do 1 lb a week or 500 calorie deficit. Additionally, a woman should eat not less than 1200 net calories. This is the amount of calories after you workout. So if you burn 500 calories, you need at least 1700 calories; men should be no less than 1500-1700 after workout calories from my research. Also, a large part of these calories should be driven by protein based sources. The ammino acids in the protein is what stimulates muscle growth. The more muscle your body has, the more calories you burn at rest.

My approach looks at Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR); BMR is the amount of calories you would burn if you slept 24 hours, for me, my BMR is 2000 calories. I then mutliply it by my Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE); how many calories I should eat to make up for daily activities (walking, working out, etc) to get a total number of calories. Because I do a program like p90x, I multiply my 2000 calories by 1.725 which equals 3400 calories. This amount of calories is the amount I need to eat to maintain weight. I back off 500 caloires as my deficit and eat 3000 calories in a day. This is the website I use.


http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm

I then go into a custom setup under my goals and set my daily intake for 3000 calories (well I will starting sunday, right now it's 2800 because I haven't officially started p90x until sunday). Additionally, to follow the p90x food guide, I set up custom ratio's. I do 45% of carbs, 35% of protein and 20% for fats. As I progress, I will lower protein and increase carbs. This method has worked for me and others I have worked with on the site. MFP just makes it simple for anyone to come on and lose weight. I take more of a scientific approach to weight loss. When I started I was 210 & 18% body fat. Now I am 189 and 12% body fat and hoping to break single digits within 3 months.

Cliff notes: if you go by the sites calculations, you absolutely should eat back your workout calories as they preload the deficit. If you go by the more scientific method, you don't have to worry about it, it's already figured in your number.

Good luck everyone.
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  • Countrymade
    Countrymade Posts: 183 Member
    Bump
  • CriticalX
    CriticalX Posts: 212 Member
    mfp is way under on the BMR
  • iamladibeast
    iamladibeast Posts: 451 Member
    bump
  • bigredhearts
    bigredhearts Posts: 428
    http://www.threecoaching.com/2010/09/free-cunningham-equation-calorie-calculator/ this is a site i too found interesting, similar to the one you posted, its a downloadable spreadsheet. let me know if the numbers look the same as i have been thinking about trying this approach....
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,430 MFP Moderator
    Also, if I could ask for weight too, that would be great.


    Myfavoritesugar,

    Great site, very similar to what I am doing and have done in the past.
  • kje2011
    kje2011 Posts: 502 Member
    bump
  • reneelee
    reneelee Posts: 877 Member
    bump
  • LorinaLynn
    LorinaLynn Posts: 13,247 Member
    I'm game. I don't know my true body fat percentage, so I'll go by the U.S. Navy Circumference Method found here: http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/diet.html

    Age: 39
    Weight: 132
    Height: 5'5
    Sex: F
    Body Fat : 20.3%
    Daily Calories: 1500 + most of my exercise calories Mon-Fri, but I don't log on weekends.

    BF Goal (optional): I think I'm pretty much there! Maybe 18%, if I can lose it from my thighs without getting bony on top.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,430 MFP Moderator
    Lorina,

    Thanks. I rounded your calories up to 1800 based on your diary. I am trying to capture total calorie intake post workout. Keep pushing it and the BF% wil come.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,430 MFP Moderator
    Bump to collect more data.
  • SMarie10
    SMarie10 Posts: 956 Member
    I'll send you a p.m. with my stats. Bumping for you.
  • elizamc
    elizamc Posts: 285 Member
    Bump, looks very interesting
  • michelleion
    michelleion Posts: 122 Member
    I'll give it a go :)

    Age: 27
    Weight: 122
    Height: 5'7
    Sex: F
    Body Fat : 18.5% (approx)
    Daily Calories: 1450 before exercise - total usually comes to abut 1700 for the day
  • BigBoneSista
    BigBoneSista Posts: 2,389 Member
    Age: 39
    Sex: F
    Body Fat : 34%
    Weight: 192.4 lbs
    Daily Calories: 1200

    BF Goal (optional): 15%-20%

    I don't eat exercise calories. I just eat if my body says its hungry. So if it requires more I eat more. If it doesn't I don't.
  • rachmaree
    rachmaree Posts: 782 Member
    Age: 29 (for one more month)
    Sex: F
    Body fat: according to those scales that supposedly measure body fat, 19.5% 3 months ago
    Weight: 52kgs
    Daily calories: 1600, sometimes more sometimes less
    Bf% goal: 17%
  • Atthea
    Atthea Posts: 53
    Very interesting ! Thanks for posting !

    So here I go!!

    Female, 37 yrs old
    current weight : 211lbs
    body fat by the U.S. Navy Circumference Method : 30%
    Goal % : 20
    Caloric intake now on mostly protein : 1200 ==> When I ate more I stayed at 215lbs for months....

    Workouts 5days/week : callisthenics, weights, 30 days Shred and Turbo Jam

    :flowerforyou:
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,430 MFP Moderator
    I would like to thank everyone that participating. I am starting to collect some good data. I have also posted on another forum to help with having a bigger group of people to normalize results more.
  • donnaeve8
    donnaeve8 Posts: 113 Member
    Ooohh do me!! Haha

    Age: 38
    cw: 174 lbs
    body fat% - according to scale 23%
    goal weight: 140 lbs
    daily calories : 1370 - will eat exercise calories if net goes below 1200

    Thanks!
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
    psulemon, I'd be curious to know the results to this as well. I'm ONLY looking to lower body fat % (aren't we all?) and not weight, I actually am looking to gain about 6 more lbs or so in lbm. So with that said here's my numbers.

    Age: 37 (almost 38)
    CW: 179 or so
    Height: 6'2"
    Body fat%: (bod pod) 11.5%
    goal weight: 185
    daily calories: 2710
    Goal body fat %: 9%

    can you give a little more description of your methods, control groups...etc. If there's enough control this could qualify as a real study and maybe be something you could have others get in on (if that's interesting to you).
  • PJilly
    PJilly Posts: 22,236 Member
    Age: 50
    Sex: F
    Weight: 144
    Body Fat : 23%
    Daily Calories: 1800

    BF Goal (optional): 19%
  • RobynC79
    RobynC79 Posts: 331 Member
    Cool idea! Here's mine:

    Age 32
    Sex F
    Height 5'5"
    Weight 107
    Body fat (US navy method) 18.1%
    Daily calories 1370
    No goal weight or BF%, I'm on for maintenance and calorie tracking only.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,430 MFP Moderator
    psulemon, I'd be curious to know the results to this as well. I'm ONLY looking to lower body fat % (aren't we all?) and not weight, I actually am looking to gain about 6 more lbs or so in lbm. So with that said here's my numbers.

    Age: 37 (almost 38)
    CW: 179 or so
    Body fat%: (bod pod) 11.5%
    goal weight: 185
    daily calories: 2710
    Goal body fat %: 9%

    can you give a little more description of your methods, control groups...etc. If there's enough control this could qualify as a real study and maybe be something you could have others get in on (if that's interesting to you).

    Currently, my spreadsheet is rather simple (basically laid out with this information). I plan on having an indicator to on which bf% are using the Navy method as opposed to using body fat calipers. Next, i will compare the difference between men and woman using the the below chart. I will probably do some statistical analysis to determine what is the average calorie needs based on LBM and the try to runrate it by each percent increase or 10 lb increase in LBM. As I work through this (hopefully start this weekend), I will develop some more parameters and controls.


    In reality, I want to be able to prove to people that eat your alloted calories is important and once again disprove the thought that eating less will make you lose more. Unfortunately, I need to start getting response from those who are 50-100 lbs or more overweight as well as those who are 20 or less lbs overweight.


    http://www.builtlean.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Ideal-Body-Fat-Percentage-Chart3.jpg
  • twistyBee
    twistyBee Posts: 56 Member
    I'm definitely interested....

    Age: 25
    Sex: F
    Height: 5'6"
    Weight: 147lb
    Body fat: 24.6%
    Daily calories: ballpark 1500 (after eating exercise calories)
    Goal Weight: 130
  • rybo
    rybo Posts: 5,424 Member
    Age: 37
    Sex: M
    Height: 5'10"
    Weight: 169lb
    Body fat: 7.8% Using that navy circumference method, which seems pretty reasonable, based on my appearance
    Daily calories: 2200 + exercise cals (I run a lot)

    I've been in maintenence mode for a few months. I am happy with this BF%
  • Age: 20
    Sex: F
    Height 5'8"
    Weight: 182
    Body Fat %: 24.8% (based on caliper) 31% based on Navy method - This measurment is off because of my hip measurement, which is 42" I have virtually no fat on my hips, but they are naturally wide and my butt is big (but very muscular - i was built with a very round posterior) and even when I weighed 135 pounds, I still had a hip measurement of 38-39" (waist at 27"). All that to say, go with the caliper.
    Daily calories: 1220 (1600-1700 with exercise cals)
    Goal BF %: 15-20%
  • AndreaWyland
    AndreaWyland Posts: 142 Member
    Age: 32
    Sex: f
    Height: 5'1
    Weight: 126
    Body fat: dont know...
    Daily calories: 1200-1600 depending on my exercise amount for the day.
  • Atlantique
    Atlantique Posts: 2,484 Member
    Age: 46
    Sex: F
    Height: 5'7"
    Weight: 140.6
    Body Fat : 24.3% (Navy method)
    Daily Calories: 1200 days w/o exercise, 1500 or so on days with exercise

    And I have no idea what BF goal is realistic or even desirable, but I don't need to look like a female bodybuilder. I like people to see that I have muscles, sure, but not every fiber. ;)
  • MichelleF81
    MichelleF81 Posts: 98 Member
    Age: 30
    Sex: F
    Body Fat : 32% (scales)
    Daily Calories: 1600
    Weight: 130lbs
    Height: 5'5

    BF Goal (optional): 25%

    I'm dubious as to the accuracy of the scales looking at my weight/height/body fat compared to other peoples but as I don't have access to a different set of scales to compare I'll just stick to that figure :)
  • sjhoffman
    sjhoffman Posts: 14 Member
    Age: 40
    Sex: F
    Weight: 151
    Body Fat: 37%
    Daily Calories: average about 1350 net after exercise
    BF Goal: 28%
  • donnaeve8
    donnaeve8 Posts: 113 Member
    BTW - where does the 1.725 come in that you multiplied the 2000 calories with?

    Nevermind! I found it
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